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#561 Postby Cpv17 » Sat Dec 06, 2025 9:00 pm
gpsnowman wrote:I'd like to see the Rocky Mountain states to lose the reds and oranges and be replaced with the prettier blues, greens, and barnies.

Like I said, that ridge out west needs to back off a bit. Couple hundred miles would be nice.
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#562 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Dec 06, 2025 9:23 pm
Ntxw wrote:Ensembles are not innocent either. I just think the quality of cold air is quite good this season so far, that's probably what causes these trends when it comes closer. You can fail with AO/NAO etc but the WPO sources the air from Siberia and builds it over Canada.
https://i.imgur.com/GMw8ZlS.gif
Even the GEFS isn't safe with this trend either:
https://s12.gifyu.com/images/bEHVw.gif
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#563 Postby Brent » Sat Dec 06, 2025 9:37 pm
Yeah its still not perfect by any means but there were well known people here talking about 70s for highs last week

we still have barely hit 50 and have yet to have one day near normal this month
The trend is definitely our friend
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#564 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Dec 06, 2025 9:40 pm
Brent wrote:Yeah its still not perfect by any means but there were well known people talking about 70s for highs last week

we still have barely hit 50
The trend is definitely our friend
I only got up to 43 this afternoon, that was weird for sure
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#565 Postby Golfisnoteasy75 » Sat Dec 06, 2025 9:44 pm
Brent wrote:Yeah its still not perfect by any means but there were well known people here talking about 70s for highs last week

we still have barely hit 50 and have yet to have one day near normal this month
The trend is definitely our friend
Its an interesting pattern for sure. We need a little se ridging to stall fronts, but not too much imo.
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#566 Postby Brent » Sat Dec 06, 2025 9:54 pm
Golfisnoteasy75 wrote:Brent wrote:Yeah its still not perfect by any means but there were well known people here talking about 70s for highs last week

we still have barely hit 50 and have yet to have one day near normal this month
The trend is definitely our friend
Its an interesting pattern for sure. We need a little se ridging to stall fronts, but not too much imo.
Yeah I mean I wish it wasn't so dry but on the other hand if we were torching like people claimed it definitely isn't going to snow so I mean whatever
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#567 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Dec 06, 2025 10:00 pm
Brent wrote:Golfisnoteasy75 wrote:Brent wrote:Yeah its still not perfect by any means but there were well known people here talking about 70s for highs last week

we still have barely hit 50 and have yet to have one day near normal this month
The trend is definitely our friend
Its an interesting pattern for sure. We need a little se ridging to stall fronts, but not too much imo.
Yeah I mean I wish it wasn't so dry but on the other hand if we were torching like people claimed it definitely isn't going to snow so I mean whatever
The highest temperature in this "Torch" is maybe lower 60s
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#568 Postby Golfisnoteasy75 » Sat Dec 06, 2025 10:06 pm
Iceresistance wrote:Brent wrote:Golfisnoteasy75 wrote:Its an interesting pattern for sure. We need a little se ridging to stall fronts, but not too much imo.
Yeah I mean I wish it wasn't so dry but on the other hand if we were torching like people claimed it definitely isn't going to snow so I mean whatever
The highest temperature in this "Torch" is maybe lower 60s
There have been torches even in the coldest winters. I hope if this winter is front loaded, we cash in earlier rather than later. Lots of moving parts
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#569 Postby Ntxw » Sat Dec 06, 2025 10:16 pm
Golfisnoteasy75 wrote:Iceresistance wrote:Brent wrote:
Yeah I mean I wish it wasn't so dry but on the other hand if we were torching like people claimed it definitely isn't going to snow so I mean whatever
The highest temperature in this "Torch" is maybe lower 60s
There have been torches even in the coldest winters. I hope if this winter is front loaded, we cash in earlier rather than later. Lots of moving parts
Cold also begets cold sometimes, this isn't your typical Nina, it's quick to die off so not guaranteed the front loaded only thing either. I think last year proved that forcing can change, this isn't a bonafide mod or strong Nina to really overwhelm the traditional thinking.
In fact Nina's of late have proven (for us) the coldest blasts have been in February.
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#570 Postby Brent » Sat Dec 06, 2025 10:23 pm
Ntxw wrote:Golfisnoteasy75 wrote:Iceresistance wrote:The highest temperature in this "Torch" is maybe lower 60s
There have been torches even in the coldest winters. I hope if this winter is front loaded, we cash in earlier rather than later. Lots of moving parts
Cold also begets cold sometimes, this isn't your typical Nina, it's quick to die off so not guaranteed the front loaded only thing either. I think last year proved that forcing can change, this isn't a bonafide mod or strong Nina to really overwhelm the traditional thinking.
In fact Nina's of late have proven (for us) the coldest blasts have been in February.
Right? I highly doubt winter is over in January. It might be east of here but I bet not here
I bet that's our best window for a big storm like usual January or February
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#571 Postby Ntxw » Sat Dec 06, 2025 10:24 pm
Fog and mists redeveloped over the same region as last night. Might not burn off quick enough before cold front tomorrow.
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#572 Postby Golfisnoteasy75 » Sat Dec 06, 2025 10:42 pm
Ntxw wrote:Golfisnoteasy75 wrote:Iceresistance wrote:The highest temperature in this "Torch" is maybe lower 60s
There have been torches even in the coldest winters. I hope if this winter is front loaded, we cash in earlier rather than later. Lots of moving parts
Cold also begets cold sometimes, this isn't your typical Nina, it's quick to die off so not guaranteed the front loaded only thing either. I think last year proved that forcing can change, this isn't a bonafide mod or strong Nina to really overwhelm the traditional thinking.
In fact Nina's of late have proven (for us) the coldest blasts have been in February.
We can't predict the future. I hope it's colder than one thinks overall this winter. Trough is way too far east currently. Its always a fear of mine for it to warm-up and stay warm. LC said that the mjo isn't even in phase 8, and he said it straddles 4,5,and 6 and linear 6/7.
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#573 Postby Stratton23 » Sat Dec 06, 2025 10:53 pm
the MJO is most certainly in phase 8 right now, hes way off on that, if it was in phase 4,5,6 wed likely be torching right now
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#574 Postby Ntxw » Sat Dec 06, 2025 11:01 pm
Yeah that one baffles me. It's P8 per cpc sources and looping back to 7/8.
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#575 Postby Stratton23 » Sat Dec 06, 2025 11:46 pm
CMC on the reload, yikes, thats some very cold air moving south, beyond next weeks front, monster ridge spiking in Alaska
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#576 Postby rwfromkansas » Sun Dec 07, 2025 12:22 am
Ntxw wrote:For me the late week cold front is the surprise. It was hardly even on the radar not long ago and went from 0-70mph regarding temperature expanse this quickly. That's such a hard turnaround for the models from the long to medium range.
https://i.imgur.com/mvI0n2O.png
Yeah I swore we just said a few days ago that things were warming up until right before Christmas, then the motherlode would drop. Seems to be trending more consistent cold.
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#577 Postby rwfromkansas » Sun Dec 07, 2025 12:30 am
Golfisnoteasy75 wrote:Iceresistance wrote:Brent wrote:
Yeah I mean I wish it wasn't so dry but on the other hand if we were torching like people claimed it definitely isn't going to snow so I mean whatever
The highest temperature in this "Torch" is maybe lower 60s
There have been torches even in the coldest winters. I hope if this winter is front loaded, we cash in earlier rather than later. Lots of moving parts
Cosgrove is going back-loaded with he dying Nina, so I think it's not the typical Nina in the sense that it's weaker, not stronger.
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#578 Postby Brent » Sun Dec 07, 2025 12:30 am
So I read Larry's thing he is confused about the mjo but mentioned 2021 as an analog around Christmas New Years timeframe

He also mentions very cold air building in Canada
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#579 Postby HockeyTx82 » Sun Dec 07, 2025 12:37 am
I guess we have to wait and see what happens in the near to long term future but one thing I can be for certain is the dense fog. On the way home my gosh we just got in from Six Flags and when I hit 2449 going west off of 35 to head back to Ponder I could hardly see the road in some instances.
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#580 Postby Stratton23 » Sun Dec 07, 2025 12:59 am
lol the CFS has a very cold christmas
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