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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#6281 Postby Texas Snow » Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:11 pm

AFD's like this 1) give me optimism about the possibilities and 2) also show some of the things the NWS looks at in the model outputs beyond the simplistic things that I do. Yeah my condensation pressure deficits were way off... :lol:

Things start to get interesting (and perplexing) on Sunday.
Another shortwave trough will move out of the Rocky Mountains, but
this time, at a lower latitude than the one on Saturday. This
shortwave trough will act to amplify a longwave trough that will
be in place over much of the CONUS. The result at the surface will
be a deep intrusion of arctic air across the interior CONUS,
including here in North/Central Texas. This synoptic pattern is
shown by both the GFS and ECMWF, but with significant timing
differences. The ECMWF is faster, and perhaps a bit stronger than
the GFS. The ECMWF also shows more widespread precipitation
developing within the cold air, whereas the GFS is on the drier
side. A closer look at the GFS however shows that parcels are near
saturation with condensation pressure deficits generally less than
25 hPa. This means that it would not take much more synoptic-scale
ascent than is being advertised by the GFS to result in the
development of precipitation (it is no surprise that the ECMWF
shows larger height falls, and has the more widespread
precipitation). Given the "qualitative" assessment of the synoptic
environment, we are inclined to lean a little bit towards the
ECMWF. Some of the features within the synoptic setup include the
aforementioned height falls, large PV anomalies around the 500 mb
level, a 120+ knot jet streak, and conditionally unstable lapse
rates. All of this is to say that there should be lift, and there
should be cold air. The only question is will we have enough
parcel saturation to get precipitation processes started.

It is certainly too early to get too deep into the weeds with
respect to precipitation type (let alone amounts), but a quick
glimpse at forecast soundings suggests that some wintry
precipitation will be possible, with the greatest chances being
the farther north one goes. It needs to be stressed that there is
significant uncertainty right now given the aforementioned
disagreements between the GFS and ECMWF, and the uncertainty in
the antecedent conditions (i.e. how cold will we get on Saturday
before the "better" cold air moves south). The takeaway message
should be that the "big picture" suggests a possibility of winter
weather beginning Sunday morning and lasting through Monday
morning for portions of our county warning area, but amounts,
types, and the precise locations of where this winter weather will
occur remains highly uncertain at this time. Interests in North
and Central Texas are advised to check the forecast as the week
progresses, and to be wary of anything out there (particularly on
social media) that makes big claims about winter weather next
week. The truth is, the science is simply not good enough to know
exactly what we will be looking at during the Sunday/Monday
timeframe, but we should get a better handle on things later this
week.

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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#6282 Postby orangeblood » Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:12 pm

Euro EPS has this as a Non-Event...not a good sign!
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#6283 Postby Cerlin » Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:22 pm

orangeblood wrote:Euro EPS has this as a Non-Event...not a good sign!

We’ll just have to hope it’s wrong then. :lol:
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#6284 Postby Cpv17 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:33 pm

Pea size hail here and about 4” per hour rainfall rates. First time I’ve seen hail at my house in years.
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#6285 Postby Cerlin » Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:33 pm

Cpv17 wrote:Pea size hail here and about 4” per hour rainfall rates. First time I’ve seen hail at my house in years.

Where are you at?
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#6286 Postby Cpv17 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:37 pm

Cerlin wrote:
Cpv17 wrote:Pea size hail here and about 4” per hour rainfall rates. First time I’ve seen hail at my house in years.

Where are you at?


10 miles north of El Campo and 10 miles west of Wharton. Basically in between Houston and Victotria.
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#6287 Postby Ralph's Weather » Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:37 pm

Cerlin wrote:
Ralph's Weather wrote:The Op GFS continue to be the outlier with being progressive with the Midwest trough. All other models hang the trough back west. A progressive trough will not give us anything, but I'll side with the consensus and leave precip chances into early next week.

I know you said that the GFS is showing a progressive trough and that won’t get us anything, but how come that model has shown us more and better winter precipitation than the others have?

I'm more focused on the Mon/Tue system. Sunday looks like 30s and rain here. The early week system looks like snow or nothing depending if the shortwave is strong enough to overcome the low level dry air.
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#6288 Postby Cpv17 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:53 pm

It’s absolutely pouring buckets here. We’ve had more rain here in the past 45 minutes than we’ve had in the past two months.
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#6289 Postby Ralph's Weather » Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:58 pm

Watch for a massive temp bust on Thu across N and NE TX. Forecast is for mid 50s but may only see mid 30s with a rain sleet mix.
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#6290 Postby Cerlin » Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:18 pm

Ralph's Weather wrote:
Cerlin wrote:
Ralph's Weather wrote:The Op GFS continue to be the outlier with being progressive with the Midwest trough. All other models hang the trough back west. A progressive trough will not give us anything, but I'll side with the consensus and leave precip chances into early next week.

I know you said that the GFS is showing a progressive trough and that won’t get us anything, but how come that model has shown us more and better winter precipitation than the others have?

I'm more focused on the Mon/Tue system. Sunday looks like 30s and rain here. The early week system looks like snow or nothing depending if the shortwave is strong enough to overcome the low level dry air.

Gotcha that makes sense. Hey, isn’t it nice to be talking about TWO potential winter systems at once? :lol:
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#6291 Postby Haris » Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:24 pm

So jealous of y'all in SETX getting a nice deluge! It's dry everywhere else W. The SE and E U.S has been hammered indeed the last few weeks..Image

We are literally sandwiched!
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#6292 Postby Cpv17 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:29 pm

Haris wrote:So jealous of y'all in SETX getting a nice deluge! It's dry everywhere else W. The SE and E U.S has been hammered indeed the last few weeks..[url]https://i.ibb.co/8rhsFdx/nws-precip-conus2-mtd.png [/url]

We are literally sandwiched!


It’s still raining here, but so far I’m up to 4.3” for today. Probably will easily exceed 5”.
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#6293 Postby hriverajr » Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:42 pm

Cpv17 wrote:Pea size hail here and about 4” per hour rainfall rates. First time I’ve seen hail at my house in years.


4 in per hour at the end of winter?
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#6294 Postby hriverajr » Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:44 pm

I got .04 today lol.. been really dry for sw texas, despite all this el nino propaganda? lmao
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#6295 Postby Cpv17 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:50 pm

hriverajr wrote:
Cpv17 wrote:Pea size hail here and about 4” per hour rainfall rates. First time I’ve seen hail at my house in years.


4 in per hour at the end of winter?


Yeah lol it was like some of those storms that you guys get off the mountains of Mexico.
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#6296 Postby South Texas Storms » Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:58 pm

Haris wrote:So jealous of y'all in SETX getting a nice deluge! It's dry everywhere else W. The SE and E U.S has been hammered indeed the last few weeks..[url=https://ibb.co/hBq9pZd][url]https://i.ibb.co/8rhsFdx/nws-precip-conus2-mtd.png

We are literally sandwiched!


Yeah I know it's been frustrating there lately, but I still think south central TX will get in on the wet fun in March. Long-range guidance is beginning to indicate this as well.
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#6297 Postby Cpv17 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:02 pm

South Texas Storms wrote:
Haris wrote:So jealous of y'all in SETX getting a nice deluge! It's dry everywhere else W. The SE and E U.S has been hammered indeed the last few weeks..[url=https://ibb.co/hBq9pZd][url]https://i.ibb.co/8rhsFdx/nws-precip-conus2-mtd.png

We are literally sandwiched!


Yeah I know it's been frustrating there lately, but I still think south central TX will get in on the wet fun in March. Long-range guidance is beginning to indicate this as well.


What are you seeing? I still don’t see much on the models for the next couple weeks. Most of the rain looks east of Texas, but hey I just picked up 5” today so who knows lol I definitely didn’t expect to get a flood today.
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#6298 Postby gboudx » Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:03 pm

Ralph's Weather wrote:Watch for a massive temp bust on Thu across N and NE TX. Forecast is for mid 50s but may only see mid 30s with a rain sleet mix.


This Thursday or next?
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#6299 Postby starsfan65 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:06 pm

gboudx wrote:
Ralph's Weather wrote:Watch for a massive temp bust on Thu across N and NE TX. Forecast is for mid 50s but may only see mid 30s with a rain sleet mix.


This Thursday or next?
This Thursday
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Re: Texas Winter 2018-2019

#6300 Postby South Texas Storms » Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:08 pm

Cpv17 wrote:
South Texas Storms wrote:
Haris wrote:So jealous of y'all in SETX getting a nice deluge! It's dry everywhere else W. The SE and E U.S has been hammered indeed the last few weeks..[url=https://ibb.co/hBq9pZd][url]https://i.ibb.co/8rhsFdx/nws-precip-conus2-mtd.png

We are literally sandwiched!


Yeah I know it's been frustrating there lately, but I still think south central TX will get in on the wet fun in March. Long-range guidance is beginning to indicate this as well.


What are you seeing? I still don’t see much on the models for the next couple weeks. Most of the rain looks east of Texas, but hey I just picked up 5” today so who knows lol I definitely didn’t expect to get a flood today.


I'm seeing signs that the southern stream storm track will finally become active again in the latest Euro, Canadian, and GFS ensembles. Also the past few runs of the operational GFS are showing a wet period in Texas in the extended period as well.
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