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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6681 Postby Brazoria_cnty99 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:58 am

wxman57 wrote:
bbowman7 wrote:So is Lufkin/Diboll are not going to get anything at all now?


Nothing on the HRRR model, just a trace with the Euro. It's all to your south.


I assume brazoria county is looking good then since it's trending to the south?
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6682 Postby Ralph's Weather » Mon Jan 20, 2025 7:19 am

Wild how much disagreement there still is in the models. Still have some saying almost all is S of I10, some that is all N of I10, some show max of a couple inches, some max near a foot, and some see the northern stream snow for I20 north while others doing have that at all. Best forecast is likely for a few inches along and south of I10 with snow showers north of there accounting to isolated could inches. That leaves room for wild booms but still very hard to predict the booms at this point. Somewhere likely see 6 inches but it's that Galveston or Lufkin? Those towns could just as easily see less than an inch.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6683 Postby wxman57 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 7:34 am

Ralph's Weather wrote:Wild how much disagreement there still is in the models. Still have some saying almost all is S of I10, some that is all N of I10, some show max of a couple inches, some max near a foot, and some see the northern stream snow for I20 north while others doing have that at all. Best forecast is likely for a few inches along and south of I10 with snow showers north of there accounting to isolated could inches. That leaves room for wild booms but still very hard to predict the booms at this point. Somewhere likely see 6 inches but it's that Galveston or Lufkin? Those towns could just as easily see less than an inch.


I don't see any model with a max north of I-10. NAM, HRRR, NBM, GFS, and Euro shifted down to near the coast. Canadian, which always performs poorly down south, has the core along I-10. Very good model agreement on the south axis shift. As for amounts, consider that 0.1" of rain = about an inch of snow. How good are we at forecasting 0.2" of rain vs. 0.8" of rain a day or two out? Not good at all.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6684 Postby Ralph's Weather » Mon Jan 20, 2025 7:53 am

wxman57 wrote:
Ralph's Weather wrote:Wild how much disagreement there still is in the models. Still have some saying almost all is S of I10, some that is all N of I10, some show max of a couple inches, some max near a foot, and some see the northern stream snow for I20 north while others doing have that at all. Best forecast is likely for a few inches along and south of I10 with snow showers north of there accounting to isolated could inches. That leaves room for wild booms but still very hard to predict the booms at this point. Somewhere likely see 6 inches but it's that Galveston or Lufkin? Those towns could just as easily see less than an inch.


I don't see any model with a max north of I-10. NAM, HRRR, NBM, GFS, and Euro shifted down to near the coast. Canadian, which always performs poorly down south, has the core along I-10. Very good model agreement on the south axis shift. As for amounts, consider that 0.1" of rain = about an inch of snow. How good are we at forecasting 0.2" of rain vs. 0.8" of rain a day or two out? Not good at all.

You can't just discount the Canadian though it is very useful and is the only model over the past week which has not flip flopped all around. It scores major wins in the Southern Plains all the time during winter storms. Yes it is usually on the extreme end but this is an extreme event. It may lose bad but at least it has never lost the storm or had huge track shifts like every other model.
I tell people all the time 95% of the time you don't care if you are forecasted for half inch of rain and you only get a tenth, but in a winter storm all of a sudden it matters a ton. The difficulty of that forecast doesn't change though just the impacts. Also the difference between half an inch south of I10 at 8:1 vs half an inch in Lufkin where it may be more like 14:1 is vast. That's 4" vs 7" with the same amount of liquid. And a tenth of an inch liquid on the coast today would barely cover the grass vs in Tyler that will be nearly 2" covering roads and everything.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6685 Postby Edwards Limestone » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:00 am

If you believe the model trends- this thing looks like it’s gonna be a complete nothingburger now for most of TX outside of SETX/Houston/Beaumont.

Yet another Lucy football moment for Austin and SA. We are used to it with t-storms/rain, so why not this stuff too.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6686 Postby Ralph's Weather » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:12 am

Low to mid 10s north of I20. Upper 10s to low 20s north of I10. Upper 20s to low 30s south of I10. Teens ahead of snow for E TX will allow for the ground to be cold. Nearer the coast the snow itself will have to do the work of cooling the ground. It should fall heavy enough in spots for decent accumulations south of I10. Though much lighter, the snow will be high ratio and will stick immediately across E TX.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6687 Postby Gotwood » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:17 am

Ralph's Weather wrote:Low to mid 10s north of I20. Upper 10s to low 20s north of I10. Upper 20s to low 30s south of I10. Teens ahead of snow for E TX will allow for the ground to be cold. Nearer the coast the snow itself will have to do the work of cooling the ground. It should fall heavy enough in spots for decent accumulations south of I10. Though much lighter, the snow will be high ratio and will stick immediately across E TX.

Pretty crazy what cloud cover will do I went to bed and it was 17.5 IMBY woke up this morning and it’s 24 lol.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6688 Postby Ralph's Weather » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:21 am

Gotwood wrote:
Ralph's Weather wrote:Low to mid 10s north of I20. Upper 10s to low 20s north of I10. Upper 20s to low 30s south of I10. Teens ahead of snow for E TX will allow for the ground to be cold. Nearer the coast the snow itself will have to do the work of cooling the ground. It should fall heavy enough in spots for decent accumulations south of I10. Though much lighter, the snow will be high ratio and will stick immediately across E TX.

Pretty crazy what cloud cover will do I went to bed and it was 17.5 IMBY woke up this morning and it’s 24 lol.

That mid level moisture is moving in and will bring clouds to all of N and NE TX later today. I'm sure the radar will start lighting up later today as mid level showers attempt to produce snow. Where it succeeds by later tonight will get a dusting and maybe a bit more than that.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6689 Postby Lastcall88 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:22 am

Edwards Limestone wrote:If you believe the model trends- this thing looks like it’s gonna be a complete nothingburger now for most of TX outside of SETX/Houston/Beaumont.

Yet another Lucy football moment for Austin and SA. We are used to it with t-storms/rain, so why not this stuff too.



When ya say a nothing burger are you meaning everything dry or just not snow? I will take some sleet and ice as well. Doesn’t have to be just snow for me!
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6690 Postby gboudx » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:40 am

Update from jeff. Hope it works out for most of you down there, including the power staying on in Lumberton.


Winter Storm Warning for the entire region from 600pm today to 600pm Tuesday.

Potentially historic snowstorm for SE TX late today into Tuesday followed by dangerous cold into Wednesday morning.

Travel will be impossible across the area from late Monday into Wednesday.

Cold air mass in place this morning under clear skies and light northeast winds. Temperatures have fallen into the low 20’s at Huntsville and 28 at Tomball with mid 20’s to low 30’s over the rest of the area. Much advertised winter weather event remains on track starting this evening but even this close to the event there is some uncertainty where the greatest snow accumulations will occur.

Upper air disturbance noted over the western US in water vapor images will dig southward and then eastward across Texas tonight and Tuesday. Coastal surface trough/low is starting to form along the lower TX coast noted by increasing NE winds along the mid coast this morning. IR images show a rapidly advancing cloud deck moving northward into the Matagorda Bay region and this overcast/moisture will continue to rapidly expand northward today. Low level air mass is extremely dry over the area with current dewpoints in the low 10’s to near 20 along the coast. A lot of work is to be done to saturate the low levels before precipitation can reach the ground both from bringing moisture into the area and then lifting that moisture.

Expect scattered showers to begin to develop by late afternoon near Matagorda Bay and expand inland into the evening hours. Initial precipitation may be all rain before precipitation falling through the air column lowers the temperature profiles to change over to sleet/snow. Widespread snow begins to develop later this evening into Tuesday morning when the maximum lift comes to bear across the area. High resolution models continue to show strongly banded precipitation on Tuesday morning and it is likely bands of heavy snow will develop over portions of the region. Just like with heavy rainfall where the heavier bands become established is questionable…but overnight guidance has suggested areas along and south of I-10 may see the higher end type banding.

Accumulations:
Widespread snow amounts of 2-4 inches continue to look likely with lower amounts the further north (1-2 inches) and higher amounts southward (3-5 inches). Again much of these totals will be determined by the banding features and it is possible some areas of the metro area receive 1-2 inches of snow while other areas receive 4-5 inches or higher. SREF plumes show the large differences in several of the high resolution guidance members showing totals at Tomball, Hobby, and IAH with possible ranges from near .50 of an inch to nearly 6.0 inches. The period from around 400am Tuesday to noon Tuesday will likely feature the most sustained snowfall rates and banding features over the area and when heavy snow is most likely.

Gusty winds of 25-30mph along with significantly reduced visibilities in heavy snow will occur late tonight into Tuesday.

Cold Temperatures:
After warming into the upper 30’s to low 40’s today temperatures will fall below freezing this evening and likely remain below freezing until some point Wednesday afternoon. It is possible if the snow ends early enough on Tuesday afternoon that some locations could briefly rise above freezing. With clearing skies and likely snow on the ground Tuesday night into Wednesday morning will feature very cold conditions over top of the snow pack. Areas with significant accumulations of snow will see temperatures fall well into the 10’s while areas with lower amounts of snow may “only” fall into the low 20’s. Will need to take a closer look at Wednesday AM after the snow ends to see if any adjustments need to be made. Another night of well below freezing temperatures looks to occur Thursday AM also. Area roadways will be slow to recover into late week with likely re-freezing each night into the next morning. Travel during these periods will likely be exceptionally dangerous.

Tuesday AM Forecasted Low Temperatures:

North of HWY 105: 24-26
North of I-10: 25-28
Houston metro (inside Beltway): 27-29
Coastal Counties: 27-30
Beaches/Galveston: 30-32

Wednesday AM Forecasted Low Temperatures:

North of HWY 105: 14-17
North of I-10: 15-18
Houston metro (inside Beltway): 17-19
Coastal Counties: 16-19
Beaches/Galveston: 27-29

Thursday AM Forecasted Low Temperatures:

North of HWY 105: 21-23
North of I-10: 22-24
Houston metro (inside Beltway): 24-26
Coastal Counties: 24-27
Beaches/Galveston: 29-34

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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6691 Postby wxman57 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:45 am

Ralph's Weather wrote:
wxman57 wrote:
Ralph's Weather wrote:Wild how much disagreement there still is in the models. Still have some saying almost all is S of I10, some that is all N of I10, some show max of a couple inches, some max near a foot, and some see the northern stream snow for I20 north while others doing have that at all. Best forecast is likely for a few inches along and south of I10 with snow showers north of there accounting to isolated could inches. That leaves room for wild booms but still very hard to predict the booms at this point. Somewhere likely see 6 inches but it's that Galveston or Lufkin? Those towns could just as easily see less than an inch.


I don't see any model with a max north of I-10. NAM, HRRR, NBM, GFS, and Euro shifted down to near the coast. Canadian, which always performs poorly down south, has the core along I-10. Very good model agreement on the south axis shift. As for amounts, consider that 0.1" of rain = about an inch of snow. How good are we at forecasting 0.2" of rain vs. 0.8" of rain a day or two out? Not good at all.

You can't just discount the Canadian though it is very useful and is the only model over the past week which has not flip flopped all around. It scores major wins in the Southern Plains all the time during winter storms. Yes it is usually on the extreme end but this is an extreme event. It may lose bad but at least it has never lost the storm or had huge track shifts like every other model.
I tell people all the time 95% of the time you don't care if you are forecasted for half inch of rain and you only get a tenth, but in a winter storm all of a sudden it matters a ton. The difficulty of that forecast doesn't change though just the impacts. Also the difference between half an inch south of I10 at 8:1 vs half an inch in Lufkin where it may be more like 14:1 is vast. That's 4" vs 7" with the same amount of liquid. And a tenth of an inch liquid on the coast today would barely cover the grass vs in Tyler that will be nearly 2" covering roads and everything.


I certainly discount it for SE TX. It was the worst model for both temperature and precip earlier this month. It's lows were off by 25-35F (too cold), making it's precip forecast quite wrong.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6692 Postby Tireman4 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:59 am

From HGX AFD

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FXUS64 KHGX 201145
AFDHGX

Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Houston/Galveston TX
545 AM CST Mon Jan 20 2025

...New AVIATION...

.SYNOPSIS...
Issued at 246 AM CST Mon Jan 20 2025

***SIGNIFICANT WINTER STORM TONIGHT INTO TUESDAY***

-Snow (and some sleet) is expected to impact much of
southeast Texas late tonight into Tuesday. Significant
disruptions to travel expected late tonight through midday
Wednesday.

-Heavy bands of snow will likely develop Tuesday morning.

-Uncertainty exists regarding the location of the bands.
However, recent data suggests that the I-10 corridor down to
the coast stands the best chance of being impacted by heavy
snow.

-Accumulations are expected to range from 3 to 5 inches
(locally higher) where heavy banding of snow develops.
Outside of the bands, accumulations range from as little as a
dusting to as much as about 2 inches.

-Widespread Hard Freeze likely Tuesday night into Wednesday
morning. Coldest temperatures likely to occur in areas that
receive the heaviest snowfall.



&&

.SHORT TERM...
(Today through Tuesday Night)
Issued at 246 AM CST Mon Jan 20 2025

GOES-East Water Vapor imagery show CONUS completely enveloped by a
long wave deep layer trough. On the western periphery of the
trough, a gradually amplifying shortwave is diving southward into
SW CONUS. This trough will quickly progress eastward today,
increasing large scale lift over southeast Texas by this afternoon
and into tonight. At the surface, a corridor of cold high pressure
systems stretches from the Canadian Prairies all the way down to
south-central CONUS, feeding arctic air into our region. The
southward advancing arctic air will enhance a baroclinic zone
over the western Gulf, which will eventually help induce the
development of an area of low pressure later this evening and into
tonight. All these features are moving into place to foment the
development of a winter storm that will impact much of the Gulf
Coast and Deep South this week.

The arctic chill will be immediately evident when you walk outside
this morning. As I type (currently 230AM), temperatures away from
the coast and outside of the urban heat island are in the 20s
while most observations in the city and at the coast are in the
low 30s. We`ll likely drop a few more degrees before sunrise.
Skies are clear over southeast Texas. But a quick glance of the
GOES-East RGB-Nighttime Microphysics imagery shows that mid-level
clouds are pushing northward from the Gulf which is a sign that
the clear skies will soon be no more.

Clouds should increase today from south to north. Afternoon highs
are expected to average in the low 40s today. This is somewhat
dependent on the timing of the approaching overcast. But overall,
today will be a nice albeit cold day. Light scattered
precipitation could develop as early as this evening (after 7PM).
It`s possible that precip (if any) this evening could be in the
form of plain liquid rain, especially for the southern half of the
CWA. But the more widespread precipitation is expected to hold
off until after midnight.

The 12AM to 6AM time frame on Tuesday is expected to feature
increasing coverage of snow and sleet showers. Areas south of
I-10 might start as more sleet while areas farther north favor
snow. But as the hours approach dawn, the situation is expected to
become increasingly dynamic, favoring the development of heavier
bands of precipitation. These dynamics will also tend to favor
snow over sleet. Therefore, we think the predominant precip type
will be snow as we head into Tuesday morning. However, areas near
the coast (especially our southern coast near Matagorda Bay) could
hang on to sleet as the dominant precip type for longer.

We are confident that heavy banding of snow (and some sleet) is
likely to develop Tuesday morning. We are less confident about the
location of specific snow bands. But if high resolution and global
models have their way, the best chance of heavy snowbands will be
from the I-10 corridor down to the coast. Areas that are NOT
impacted by one of these snowbands may get away with a dusting to
an inch or two of snow, which is still considered impactful here
in SE TX. But areas that do find themselves under one of these
snowbands are expected to receive 3-5 inches of snowfall, with
some potential for more. I`m sure many of you have seen social
media posts containing model guidance graphics showing up to 6-8
inches of snow. We don`t want to rule out totals that high,
especially given the potential convective nature of these bands.
But being near the Gulf, it can be difficult to get the snow to
QPF ratios we need to receive snowfall totals of that caliber. But
it`s worth mentioning again that even light accumulations of snow
result in significant impacts to travel in SE Texas.

Tuesday night and Wednesday morning temperatures are going to be
very difficult to predict. We are confident that widespread hard
freezing conditions (at or below 24F) are likely. But there is
potential for temperatures to drop well down into the teens in
areas that have a fresh but not melted snow pack. If the system
moves fast enough, then parts of the region could see the sun
return by the afternoon with temperatures possibly warming above
freezing. If this happens in a location where snow totals are
relatively light, then much of it could melt resulting in no
meaningful snowpack in time for nightfall. But locations that
receive heavier totals and/or little melting could find themselves
in the icebox Tuesday night since there will be more `intense`
radiational cooling in those areas. I wouldn`t be surprised if
less snowy areas end up being as "warm" as the mid 20s while
snowier locations dropped into the low teens. I also would not be
surprised if there wasn`t a lot of distance between those colder
and less cold locations. Wednesday morning`s temperature map will
be interesting. For now, we are going with widespread lows in the
mid/upper teens.

Self

&&

.LONG TERM...
(Wednesday through Sunday)
Issued at 246 AM CST Mon Jan 20 2025

Temperatures on Wednesday morning will be tricky as it depends
entirely on where the bulk of the snow/ice falls, which looks to
be along and south of I-10. This would result in much colder
temperatures along the coast than further inland as most of the
area starts out in the mid to upper teens. Road conditions are
likely still going to be hazardous as temperatures likely won`t
reach above freezing for most locations on Tuesday afternoon. This
means that snow/ice are likely to remain in place and frozen
until temperatures finally rise above freezing on Wednesday
afternoon. It is recommended to stay off the roads until at least
noon on Wednesday, and be sure to check road conditions before
traveling and to travel with extreme caution. Surface high
pressure will be overhead on Wednesday leading to mostly cloudy
skies with high temperatures in the upper 30s to low 40s. This
will help to melt at least some of the snow/ice. However, if any
is leftover, it will refreeze on Wednesday night as low
temperatures fall into the low to mid 20s (likely necessitating a
Freeze Warning for a Hard Freeze).

Towards the end of the work week an upper level trough digs down
from the Four Corners region, which looks to bring another cold
front towards Southeast Texas. In spite of this, the general trend
into the weekend is a gradual warming trend as onshore flow quickly
returns late Friday/early Saturday. Still expecting freezing
temperatures on Thursday night with low temperatures in the mid to
upper 20s. That looks to be our last night in our below freezing
temperatures streak as low temperatures jump into the upper 30s/low
40s on Friday night and into the 50s over the weekend. Daytime
temperatures will see a similar climb with highs back in the 60s
over the weekend. That onshore flow does come with an increase in
shower/storm chances over the weekend as moisture converges ahead of
an approaching frontal boundary. There is quite a bit of uncertainty
on if this front will actually push through or not, but there is
good consensus on at least a rainy weekend.

Batiste

&&

.AVIATION...
(12Z TAF Issuance)
Issued at 545 AM CST Mon Jan 20 2025

The first 12 or so hours of these TAFs are great! VFR! Not even a
CIG until afternoon! Moderate NE winds! And then...we get the
mess. Conditions should degrade through the evening, with MVFR
CIGs arriving first as atmosphere moistens from top down. Around
06Zish, we`ll see first precip reaching the ground from SW to NE.
Type of precip at outset is...unknown. In general, the earlier it
starts and the closer to the coast you are, the more likely we
are to see a short bit of rain before transitioning to SN/PL.
Around 09Z, should see more prevailing precip, and likely to be
SN/PL, and a full transition to SHSN in the north. Though we could
see a full transition to snow all the way to Galveston,
confidence not quite high enough to put it explicitly in there
just yet, so will hold a mix through 12Z from HOU coastward. The
one high confidence factor? It will be windy! 15G25 is a good
ballpark to expect out of these NE winds.

In the extended at IAH, have the confidence to go fully to SHSN,
and though a faster system may see snow come to an end just before
18Z, will leave that for future cycles to handle.

&&

.MARINE...
Issued at 330 PM CST Sun Jan 19 2025

Strong northerly winds and enhanced seas will continue through the
rest of today. Winds decrease somewhat tonight while veering to the
northeast. By Monday, winds and seas will begin to increase once
again as the next storm system approaches. Gale conditions are
possible on Monday and especially Tuesday. A Gale Watch is in effect
late Monday night through Tuesday for the bays and Gulf waters. Low
water levels may be an issue as well. In addition to these hazards,
a mix of frozen precipitation is expected near the coast Monday
night into Tuesday afternoon.

Adams

&&

.PRELIMINARY POINT TEMPS/POPS...
College Station (CLL) 42 26 36 15 / 0 70 30 0
Houston (IAH) 41 27 34 18 / 0 80 80 0
Galveston (GLS) 44 31 36 29 / 0 70 90 10

&&

.HGX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...
TX...Cold Weather Advisory until noon CST today for TXZ163-164-
176>179-195>200-210>214-226-227-235>238-300-313-335>338-
436>439.

Cold Weather Advisory from 9 PM this evening to 6 PM CST Tuesday
for TXZ163-164-176>179-195>200-210>214-226-227-235>238-300-
313-335>338-436>439.

Freeze Warning until 10 AM CST this morning for TXZ163-164-
176>179-195>198.

Winter Storm Warning from 6 PM this evening to 6 PM CST Tuesday
for TXZ163-164-176>179-195>200-210>214-226-227-235>238-300-
313-335>338-436>439.

Extreme Cold Watch from Tuesday evening through Wednesday
morning for TXZ163-164-176>179-195>200-210>214-226-227-
235>238-300-313-335>338-436>439.

GM...Small Craft Advisory from 9 AM this morning to midnight CST
tonight for GMZ330-335.

Gale Warning from midnight tonight to 6 PM CST Tuesday for
GMZ330-335-350-355-370-375.

Small Craft Advisory until midnight CST tonight for GMZ350-355-
370-375.

&&

$$

SHORT TERM...Adams
LONG TERM....Cady
AVIATION...Luchs
MARINE...Adams
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6693 Postby Portastorm » Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:10 am

Lastcall88 wrote:
Edwards Limestone wrote:If you believe the model trends- this thing looks like it’s gonna be a complete nothingburger now for most of TX outside of SETX/Houston/Beaumont.

Yet another Lucy football moment for Austin and SA. We are used to it with t-storms/rain, so why not this stuff too.



When ya say a nothing burger are you meaning everything dry or just not snow? I will take some sleet and ice as well. Doesn’t have to be just snow for me!


Hard to deny the model trends which over the last 24 hours have pushed the axis of moisture further and further offshore. If we do end up with a nothing burger, all of the local ISDs are going to look very foolish for calling off schools tomorrow. I didn’t understand why they didn’t at least wait until this evening to make those choices.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6694 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:14 am

Broad area of radar returns building NW of the metroplex. DPs is very dry in the single digits so not sure anything will make it to the ground. Mention this because it is a piece of the upper level disturbance.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6695 Postby sphelps8681 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:19 am

Just heard this on NWS Live this morning. It was 65 years from the 1895 storm to the 1960 storm and it is 65 years from the 1960 storm to 2025 storm. Thought that was interesting.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6696 Postby Ralph's Weather » Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:19 am

Portastorm wrote:
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Edwards Limestone wrote:If you believe the model trends- this thing looks like it’s gonna be a complete nothingburger now for most of TX outside of SETX/Houston/Beaumont.

Yet another Lucy football moment for Austin and SA. We are used to it with t-storms/rain, so why not this stuff too.



When ya say a nothing burger are you meaning everything dry or just not snow? I will take some sleet and ice as well. Doesn’t have to be just snow for me!


Hard to deny the model trends which over the last 24 hours have pushed the axis of moisture further and further offshore. If we do end up with a nothing burger, all of the local ISDs are going to look very foolish for calling off schools tomorrow. I didn’t understand why they didn’t at least wait until this evening to make those choices.

Schools have started making those calls almost too early here recently. Last week we were canceled and only ended up with 34F rain. There is a balance between waiting until 5am on the day of and doing it days ahead of time. At least with this storm they did it based on pretty aggressive official forecasts, that may have ended up premature. I will withhold judgement until the event occurs though as there still can be last minute surprises. I go back to last week when Tulsa got 6" while forecast 12 hours before bare showed any snow for NE OK at all and DFW was forecasted by some for 6" and they got basically nothing. There is societal pressure for ISDs to make the call early but then major backlash when they make the wrong call. It is not an enviable spot for superintendents.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6697 Postby Ralph's Weather » Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:20 am

Ntxw wrote:Broad area of radar returns building NW of the metroplex. DPs is very dry in the single digits so not sure anything will make it to the ground. Mention this because it is a piece of the upper level disturbance.

The radar today and through tonight will be very pretty for N TX, but how much can ever reach the ground?
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6698 Postby Ralph's Weather » Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:30 am

Along I20 tonight, there will be a very interesting battle between very dry low levels and a DGZ stretching from 500mb all the way down to 850mb. Hard to forecast absolutely nothing under those conditions but it will be spotty. A quick dusting to an inch is possible anywhere north of I20 though tonight.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6699 Postby Portastorm » Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:34 am

Ralph's Weather wrote:
Portastorm wrote:
Lastcall88 wrote:

When ya say a nothing burger are you meaning everything dry or just not snow? I will take some sleet and ice as well. Doesn’t have to be just snow for me!


Hard to deny the model trends which over the last 24 hours have pushed the axis of moisture further and further offshore. If we do end up with a nothing burger, all of the local ISDs are going to look very foolish for calling off schools tomorrow. I didn’t understand why they didn’t at least wait until this evening to make those choices.

Schools have started making those calls almost too early here recently. Last week we were canceled and only ended up with 34F rain. There is a balance between waiting until 5am on the day of and doing it days ahead of time. At least with this storm they did it based on pretty aggressive official forecasts, that may have ended up premature. I will withhold judgement until the event occurs though as there still can be last minute surprises. I go back to last week when Tulsa got 6" while forecast 12 hours before bare showed any snow for NE OK at all and DFW was forecasted by some for 6" and they got basically nothing. There is societal pressure for ISDs to make the call early but then major backlash when they make the wrong call. It is not an enviable spot for superintendents.


Good points/comments! It’s not easy decision-making to be certain. But IMO the call didn’t need to made so early, especially with today being a holiday. They had time. And granted, I make these comments assuming the model trends for less QPF verify. Of course it doesn’t take much to create travel havoc … I’ve seen 0.05” of FZDZ shut this town down. So we shall see.

Meanwhile we have a very good, astute TV met here named Avery Tomasco. This morning he’s been all over this coming event and has noticed greater moisture return inland and earlier than anticipated. Furthermore the NAM is now showing more moisture inland and reversing the meso model trends for less precip. Yeah, I know it’s the NAM … lol … but one must hang his hat on whatever hook he can find. :lol:
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#6700 Postby Lastcall88 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:40 am

Our school district is waiting till today at noon when others around us already cancelled. All athletic events have been moved to today at 1 rather than tomorrow night. Will be interested to see development around noon on will they cancel or not. We are along 290 east of Austin
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