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#7941 Postby DentonGal » Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:59 pm

srainhoutx wrote:
DentonGal wrote:I know we're focusing on Tuesday's potential snow event, but do I see something going on the first week of March for the DFW area?


A very potent storm is showing up on virtually all the guidance in the longer range for all of TX. Bears watching IMHO.


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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#7942 Postby msstateguy83 » Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:27 pm

18z nam is running awaiting its verdict :ggreen:
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#7943 Postby Ntxw » Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:31 pm

18z nam is already progging this storm pulling itself together even more so in the southwest, anyone surprised? We'll see :wink:

Nam cuts off the low :eek: We'll have a lot more problems with a deepening system oh my.

And then it opens up right afterwards
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#7944 Postby msstateguy83 » Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:45 pm

holy wow.... :double:
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#7945 Postby gofrogs2 » Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:46 pm

Whats it sasying what it for the dfw area post pleaaase post the nam.
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#7946 Postby Ntxw » Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:48 pm

Here is the precip amounts at 78hr

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84hr
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If 18z is to be believed, areas just southwest of Dallas into west Texas would be capable of doing 8+ inches

Waco 3-6

DFW 2-4

This storm is very much favoring the likes of Portastorm. 18z is considerably wetter/colder than it's previous.
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#7947 Postby DentonGal » Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:58 pm

msstateguy83 wrote:holy wow.... :double:

I'm sorry msstateguy, what can you tell us about this run other than "holy wow"? Further south? Further north? More precip? What's "holy wow" mean for the NAM challenged?
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#7948 Postby Weatherdude20 » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:01 pm

:uarrow: Nam is finally on board, and to answer yes, more precip with this run than the previous nam run, but you can never be sure what Msstateguy is "holy wow"ing at... :wink: lol
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#7949 Postby msstateguy83 » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:02 pm

ntxw covered it well, my map might be right on target dfw area west will get blasted
with snow amts between 6-8" some areas plus 8 inches....

edit: areas in the western metroplex ft worth maybe as far north as denton
and points west are likely to get hit hard by this
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#7950 Postby srainhoutx » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:05 pm

:uarrow: Just remember the NAM has a tendency to 'overdo' QPF IMHO. :wink:
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#7951 Postby Ntxw » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:07 pm

Well it was underdoing it before. We can take a compromise!
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#7952 Postby Weatherdude20 » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:08 pm

msstateguy83 wrote:ntxw covered it well, my map might be right on target dfw area west will get blasted
with snow amts between 6-8" some areas plus 8 inches....


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Yeah I think a widespread 2-4" is VERY possible, and a good 3-6" for areas west of I-35. I would give it a little more time before we go into the 6-8" inch totals but as of now I wouldn't, rule out or be suprised about an isolated 7 or 8.
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#7953 Postby srainhoutx » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:10 pm

Certainly not trying to down play anything for our N TX neighbors, but here is FWD thoughts this afternoon...

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORT WORTH TX
235 PM CST SAT FEB 20 2010

...THUNDERSTORMS LATE TONIGHT INTO SUNDAY MORNING...THEN A WINTRY MIX
ARRIVES TUESDAY...

.DISCUSSION...
SHORTWAVE MOVING THROUGH SOUTHERN ARIZONA WILL REACH WEST TEXAS
AROUND MIDNIGHT AND NORTH TEXAS BY MID MORNING SUNDAY. THIS SYSTEM
WILL RESULT IN BROKEN LINE OF CONVECTION THAT WILL PROPAGATE ACROSS
THE CWA FROM BEFORE DAYBREAK THROUGH SUNDAY EARLY AFTERNOON. GFS
HAS CAPE VALUES REACHING 1000 J/KG WHILE BULK SHEAR IS BEST OVER
THE SOUTHERN COUNTIES. SOME STORMS MAY BE MARGINAL SEVERE WITH
HAIL POTENTIAL UP TO NICKLE SIZE. THE WIND THREAT REMAINS LOW.

ONCE THIS SYSTEM PASSES...COLD ARCTIC AIR WILL SPREAD ACROSS NORTH
TEXAS SUNDAY NIGHT AND MONDAY...AND REMAIN IN PLACE THROUGH MID
WEEK. THERE IS ANOTHER UPPER TROUGH OVER THE NORTHERN ROCKIES
TODAY THAT WILL ELONGATE WEST-EAST BEFORE MOVING SOUTHEAST INTO
NORTH TEXAS ON TUESDAY. FORECAST NORTH TEXAS SOUNDINGS CONTINUE TO
INDICATE GOOD SNOWFALL POTENTIAL WITH FAVORABLE DENDRITIC GROWTH
ZONE TEMPERATURES. HOWEVER...AS STATED BY THE PREVIOUS SHIFT...LOW
LEVEL WINDS FIELDS WILL BE NORTHERLY WITH THIS SYSTEM AND WILL
LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF MOISTURE FOR HEAVY SNOWFALL. ALSO THE
TEMPERATURE PROFILE NEAR THE SURFACE WILL BE MID 30S WHERE THE
SNOW POTENTIAL IS GREATEST. HAVE GONE WITH A SNOW/RAIN MIX SOUTH
OF A GOLDTHWAITE TO ATHENS LINE ON TUESDAY AFTERNOON...OTHERWISE
JUST SNOW ELSEWHERE WITH LITTLE NORTH OF I-20. BECAUSE OF THE
POTENTIAL FOR RAIN MIXED IN WITH THE SNOW OVER THE SOUTHERN
HALF... SNOWFALL AMOUNTS ARE VERY HARD TO PREDICT...THUS EXPECT
SEVERAL INCHES IN SOME AREAS SOUTH OF COMANCHE TO HILLSBORO LINE.
THIS WILL BE REFINED OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL DAYS AS THE PATH OF THE
SYSTEM BECOMES CLEARER. NO WINTER STORM OUTLOOK WILL BE ISSUED AT
THIS TIME AS WE THINK SNOWFALL AMOUNTS WILL NOT EXCEED WARNING
CRITERIA (4" OR MORE IN 12HRS).


DRY WEDNESDAY THROUGH SATURDAY WITH TEMPERATURES RECOVERING BACK
TO NEAR NORMAL ON FRIDAY AND AROUND NORMAL ON SATURDAY. 75
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#7954 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:11 pm

18z NAM snow depth graphic at hour 81:

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Peak accumulations appear to be near 3-4" according to this run, with widespread 1"+ amounts.
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#7955 Postby Weatherdude20 » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:12 pm

We shall see.
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#7956 Postby Ntxw » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:13 pm

It's always a compromise, either the temperature is cold enough to stick (usually means less precip) or not cold enough but heavy enough to overcome it (lower ratios). Something has to give. I just want the 2 inches to break the record :cheesy: everyone else can have the 5+ =P
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#7957 Postby gofrogs2 » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:14 pm

How though that was a ton ofprecip it showed. and oly that little snow map.
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Re: Texas winter wx thread (2009-2010)

#7958 Postby srainhoutx » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:16 pm

San Angelo thoughts...very good disco in the AFD...

.LONG TERM...

THE CURRENT BLOCKING PATTERN IN PLACE OVER THE EASTERN PACIFIC
INTO WESTERN CANADA WILL NOT HANG ON MUCH LONGER. OVER THE NEXT
SEVERAL DAYS...THE RIDGE WILL BREAK DOWN AND ALLOW THE NEARLY
CUTOFF DOWNSTREAM SYSTEM OVER THE NW CONUS TO DROP SOUTHEAST
ACROSS TX ON TUESDAY. ONCE THE RIDGE BREAKS DOWN...THE PACIFIC
WAVE TRAIN WILL BECOME ACTIVE AGAIN TOWARD THE END OF THE
WEEK...LIKE IT HAS BEEN MUCH OF THIS WINTER.

A NEARLY STATIONARY FRONTAL BOUNDARY CURRENTLY RESIDES JUST TO THE
NORTH OF THE SAN ANGELO WFO AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY (CWA). THIS
BOUNDARY WILL STAY TO OUR NORTH UNTIL THE PASSAGE OF A SMALL...BUT
POTENT SOUTHERN STREAM WAVE CURRENTLY OVER SOUTHERN AZ. THE FRONT
WILL PUSH SOUTH ACROSS W CENTRAL TX LATE SUNDAY INTO SUNDAY NIGHT.
AS A RESULT...THE WORK WEEK WILL START OFF ON THE COOL SIDE WITH
BELOW AVERAGE TEMPS AREA WIDE.

MONDAY NIGHT INTO TUESDAY...A POTENT NORTHERN STREAM TROUGH WILL
DIVE SOUTHEAST ACROSS THE SOUTH CENTRAL STATES WITH A POSITIVE
TILT...WHICH WILL CONTINUE TO ALLOW COLDER AIR TO FILTER IN THE
REGION. STRONG MID LEVEL COLD FRONTOGENETIC FORCING IN THE RIGHT
ENTRANCE REGION OF THE POLAR JET WILL PRODUCE A BAND OF
PRECIPITATION THAT WILL SWEEP GENERALLY NW TO SE ACROSS THE CWA
LATE MONDAY NIGHT INTO TUESDAY. WHILE THE INITIAL PRECIP MAY BE IN
THE FORM OF RAIN OR A MIX OF RAIN AND SNOW...THE PRECIP SHOULD
QUICKLY CHANGE OVER TO ALL SNOW WITH BOTH THE GFS/ECMWF SHOWING
850MB TEMPS IN THE -2C TO -4C RANGE. ACCUMULATING SNOW IS A
POSSIBILITY EVEN WITH THE WARM GROUND...GIVEN THAT SNOW MAY BE
HEAVY AT TIMES WITH STRONG...BUT NARROW FORCING AND SOME HINT OF
CONDITIONAL SYMMETRIC INSTABILITY (CSI) PRESENT TO INCREASE
SNOWFALL RATES. IT IS STILL TOO EARLY TO TELL HOW MUCH SNOW WILL
FALL AND WHERE...SO WILL CONTINUE THE SPS THAT WE HAVE GOING.
FORCING FOR ASCENT WILL SHIFT RAPIDLY SOUTHEAST BY TUESDAY EVENING
AND THE SNOW WILL TAPER OFF.
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#7959 Postby gofrogs2 » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:19 pm

post the 81 ohour snowfall masp i bet thaty one is diffrent.
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#7960 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:20 pm

gofrogs2 wrote:How though that was a ton ofprecip it showed. and oly that little snow map.
It must be thinking that some of the precipitation that falls melts due to marginal surface temperatures..especially toward the beginning of the event. If surface temperatures are colder than predicted though, like what happened last time, then snow totals would surely be higher than what the NAM is showing.
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