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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8021 Postby bubba hotep » Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:45 am

The Euro EPS has been pretty stable in the long range keeping most of Texas mild. The 00z run actually has very few members even getting DFW below freezing beyond D7 or so with all the cold air over in Russia. As posted above, MJO P8 -AO/NAO would typically be considered a cold look for Texas. Interesting period setting up and I keep expecting the ensembles to flip but still waiting.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8022 Postby hamburgerman7070 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:56 am

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All eyes should be on the Kara/Barents Sea, where the ECMWF EPS are beginning to signal the development of a large blocking ridge in the wake of a major stratospheric warming event
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8023 Postby missygirl810 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:59 am

hamburgerman7070 wrote:John Homenuk
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All eyes should be on the Kara/Barents Sea, where the ECMWF EPS are beginning to signal the development of a large blocking ridge in the wake of a major stratospheric warming event



What would that mean for us?
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8024 Postby bubba hotep » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:04 am

bubba hotep wrote:The Euro EPS has been pretty stable in the long range keeping most of Texas mild. The 00z run actually has very few members even getting DFW below freezing beyond D7 or so with all the cold air over in Russia. As posted above, MJO P8 -AO/NAO would typically be considered a cold look for Texas. Interesting period setting up and I keep expecting the ensembles to flip but still waiting.


Looking again, the neutral EPO and positive WPO are probably driving the milder look in the longer range.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8025 Postby hamburgerman7070 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:05 am

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hamburgerman7070 wrote:John Homenuk
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All eyes should be on the Kara/Barents Sea, where the ECMWF EPS are beginning to signal the development of a large blocking ridge in the wake of a major stratospheric warming event





What would that mean for us?


I have no idea. This guy is a consultant meteorologist from NY. Was curious as well. If it happens like that
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8026 Postby aggiecutter » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:12 am

Nearly 2" of rain last night in Texarkana.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8027 Postby orangeblood » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:30 am

hamburgerman7070 wrote:John Homenuk
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All eyes should be on the Kara/Barents Sea, where the ECMWF EPS are beginning to signal the development of a large blocking ridge in the wake of a major stratospheric warming event


Don't believe it will mean much for us unless it can hook up with an Alaskan/Bering Sea ridge...if not, cold air will probably stay on the other side of the globe in Russia
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8028 Postby hamburgerman7070 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:41 am

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hamburgerman7070 wrote:John Homenuk
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All eyes should be on the Kara/Barents Sea, where the ECMWF EPS are beginning to signal the development of a large blocking ridge in the wake of a major stratospheric warming event


Don't believe it will mean much for us unless it can hook up with an Alaskan/Bering Sea ridge...if not, cold air will probably stay on the other side of the globe in Russia


Orangeblood, he mentions that possibility with increasing Alaska ridging and -ao/nao couplet on eps toward mid/end Feb.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8029 Postby Brent » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:09 pm

models seem to be back to the usual "east of us" for most of the rain coming up

Still need something to dig...
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8030 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:31 pm

Hey guys! Missed alot of analysis over the last week and a half. Come home from vacation and the market is going nuts, so I've been very busy. Glad to see you guys in North Texas got some winter weather. :)
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8031 Postby bubba hotep » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:35 pm

Brent wrote:models seem to be back to the usual "east of us" for most of the rain coming up

Still need something to dig...


It doesn't seem to matter what the models show beyond D7, it appears that every system is going to trend to a more progressive look. Luckily, we scored decent rain with this last system but the Panhandle and back into the SW continue to hurt for any kind of precipitation.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8032 Postby Portastorm » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:46 pm

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Brent wrote:models seem to be back to the usual "east of us" for most of the rain coming up

Still need something to dig...


It doesn't seem to matter what the models show beyond D7, it appears that every system is going to trend to a more progressive look. Luckily, we scored decent rain with this last system but the Panhandle and back into the SW continue to hurt for any kind of precipitation.


So what do we need ... a negative NAO for Greenland blocking? A southeast CONUS ridge?
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8033 Postby Yukon Cornelius » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:47 pm

Id love to still see some type of winter weather but at this point I’m more interested in rain. It’s been over 3.5 months since we’ve had any measurable precipitation. It’s already bad here and doesn’t seem like we can even buy a drop of any type of precip.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8034 Postby Brent » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:58 pm

Yukon Cornelius wrote:Id love to still see some type of winter weather but at this point I’m more interested in rain. It’s been over 3.5 months since we’ve had any measurable precipitation. It’s already bad here and doesn’t seem like we can even buy a drop of any type of precip.


yeah the thunderstorms here last night were the highlight to me... I knew it wasn't going to ice anyway in DFW Lol

its not over yet for winter but time starts running against us before long and I just want to see a wetter pattern if nothing else

oh and I definitely think there needs to be a SE ridge if we're gonna have any hope, something has to slow down the pattern or it'll keep blowing up past us
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8035 Postby Yukon Cornelius » Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:03 pm

Brent wrote:
Yukon Cornelius wrote:Id love to still see some type of winter weather but at this point I’m more interested in rain. It’s been over 3.5 months since we’ve had any measurable precipitation. It’s already bad here and doesn’t seem like we can even buy a drop of any type of precip.


yeah the thunderstorms here last night were the highlight to me... I knew it wasn't going to ice anyway in DFW Lol

its not over yet for winter but time starts running against us before long and I just want to see a wetter pattern if nothing else

oh and I definitely think there needs to be a SE ridge if we're gonna have any hope, something has to slow down the pattern or it'll keep blowing up past us

I definitely agree
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8036 Postby Brent » Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:00 pm

very little rain on the Euro in DFW the entire 12z run and certainly nothing wintry
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8037 Postby Ralph's Weather » Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:22 pm

I received over 3.5" of rain last night. Temps are holding in the mid 30s with thick cloud cover so far today.

Hoping that the SSW results in -AO/-NAO. That is typical of a SSW, but we will see. Been a long time since we have seen a real SSW event which is likely part of the reason we have seen very little Atlantic blocking over the past 5 or so years.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8038 Postby orangeblood » Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:51 pm

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Brent wrote:models seem to be back to the usual "east of us" for most of the rain coming up

Still need something to dig...


It doesn't seem to matter what the models show beyond D7, it appears that every system is going to trend to a more progressive look. Luckily, we scored decent rain with this last system but the Panhandle and back into the SW continue to hurt for any kind of precipitation.


So what do we need ... a negative NAO for Greenland blocking? A southeast CONUS ridge?


Not sure about southeast ridge....Plenty of cold air across Canada right now but nearly every one of these HP's that are heading south are getting very little push and/or facing a lot of resistance. With the WPO forecast to turn positive over the next few days, I fear Canada may begin losing its cold as well. Extremely frustrating back to back winters in the N/2 of the southern plains as nothing can seem to align correctly!!!
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8039 Postby Brent » Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:15 pm

orangeblood wrote:
Portastorm wrote:
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It doesn't seem to matter what the models show beyond D7, it appears that every system is going to trend to a more progressive look. Luckily, we scored decent rain with this last system but the Panhandle and back into the SW continue to hurt for any kind of precipitation.


So what do we need ... a negative NAO for Greenland blocking? A southeast CONUS ridge?


Not sure about southeast ridge....Plenty of cold air across Canada right now but nearly every one of these HP's that are heading south are getting very little push and/or facing a lot of resistance. With the WPO forecast to turn positive over the next few days, I fear Canada may begin losing its cold as well. Extremely frustrating back to back winters in the N/2 of the southern plains as nothing can seem to align correctly!!!


3 winters... 15-16 was a disaster too...

I was thinking SE ridge because several DFW winter storms this decade thats been a feature
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#8040 Postby dhweather » Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:15 pm

Ralph's Weather wrote:I received over 3.5" of rain last night. Temps are holding in the mid 30s with thick cloud cover so far today.

Hoping that the SSW results in -AO/-NAO. That is typical of a SSW, but we will see. Been a long time since we have seen a real SSW event which is likely part of the reason we have seen very little Atlantic blocking over the past 5 or so years.


Wow! :eek:

You must have gotten trained on by storms? We had a couple of thunderstorms comes through quickly last night, but only 0.53" of liquid gold. At first I thought there was a trace of sleet in one of them, but with the amount of convection going on, and looking at column temps, it had to be hail. That distinct "chink" sound on the windows.
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