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#901 Postby ndale » Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:39 pm

My first year in Austin was 1983 and I remember the low dropped to 10 degrees during the freeze and it stayed below freezing for about a week. The pipes at my apartment froze. Fortunalely they thawed without bursting.
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#902 Postby Ntxw » Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:53 pm

The ENS lock ridging in place over Alaska. So once the Arctic air starts making a move, at least the lower levels, doesn't look like the pattern will change once it locks in.

McFarland's criteria

1. Anomalous ridging in Alaska/NW NA
2. Hudson Bay-Davis Strait Vortex
3. Zonal flow across the conus overwhelmed by cold

Check those three and you have severe arctic outbreak.
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#903 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:54 pm

Those analogs are insane. Seriously. Esp the 1983 one. The 1979 analog, my dad always described that new years to me. He and my late cousin Buddy went out new years night, came back to a car completely covered in ice in Houston. Then the next day, watched Houston Cougars play Joe Montana and the Fighting Irish in an ice storm in the Cotton bowl. That front looked BRUTAL too.
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#904 Postby orangeblood » Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:58 pm

Ntxw wrote:The ENS lock ridging in place over Alaska. So once the Arctic air starts making a move, at least the lower levels, doesn't look like the pattern will change once it locks in.

McFarland's criteria

1. Anomalous ridging in Alaska/NW NA
2. Hudson Bay-Davis Strait Vortex
3. Zonal flow across the conus overwhelmed by cold

Check those three and you have severe arctic outbreak.


If you want to see the potential of this pattern and arctic cold locking in across the lower 48, go check out the 18Z GFS Control Run
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#905 Postby northjaxpro » Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:59 pm

I could ramble on all day long about the historic December 1983 frigid arctic outbreak which gripped the entire CONUS except for the immediate southwestrn U.S. It was the coldest Christmas ever for the country. I remember it like yesterday. It reached 11 degrees in Jax during that cold wave, only to have that record shattered just over 13 months later during the historic January 1985 outbreak when the all-time record low of 7 degrees was recorded at the Jax WFO.

We had three historic arctic outbreaks during the 80s decade, and other than 2010 to a slight magnitude in comparison, we really have not had any more severe arctic outbreaks to the magnitude of those aforementioned in a long time.
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#906 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:03 pm

The big outbreak in 2011, does anyone remember the analogs for that one?
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#907 Postby Ntxw » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:15 pm

TeamPlayersBlue wrote:The big outbreak in 2011, does anyone remember the analogs for that one?


2011 wasn't anything special at 500mb. It was your classic 500mb progressive ridge poking into Alaska, it didn't sit in Alaska though. Canada had been very very cold (typical in a Nina as that was a strong Nina). So a lot of cold air was in place to be discharged.

The pattern for Arctic outbreaks are often quite similar, as I keep referring to McFarland's set up. The magnitude of the cold depends on how strong the ridging is over the EPO domain, and how cold the air is in front of it. 2011, 1983, 1989, 1962 etc all occurred with a similar trajectory of 500mb ridging. 1983 being the extreme where the blocking sat and exploded.
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#908 Postby TheProfessor » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:23 pm

:uarrow: What about that week after Christmas in 2009? I remember ponds were freezing over, My friends through a stick at the pond near Cowboy Stadium and instead of going through the ice it bounced and slid across it.
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#909 Postby Ntxw » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:26 pm

TheProfessor wrote::uarrow: What about that week after Christmas in 2009? I remember ponds were freezing over, My friends through a stick at the pond near Cowboy Stadium and instead of going through the ice it bounced and slid across it.


Yes that week was also -EPO/+PNA ridge like in November. However, the moderate Nino had previously flooded Canada with warmer air thus it was not as severe as some of the other outbreaks temperature wise you would expect, but the -NAO kept it around and sure was snowy.

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^ That L you see coming down California is the Christmas eve blizzard.
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#910 Postby Ntxw » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:40 pm

In all through all these posts, it's pretty simple. The 500mb pattern for discharging Arctic air like the others is about to occur. How much and how strong we won't know until we see it on the move. Is the ridge progressive? Will it sit? How much cold will spill over into Canada?
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#911 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:43 pm

I noticed in '83, the high was so big that it came down the spine of the rockies under its own weight. 500MB chart looked quite zonal actually.
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#912 Postby orangeblood » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:45 pm

Now, I'm not suggesting we are going to a December 1983 type outbreak but check out the scary similarities to the late December 1983 Northern Hemisphere Upper Levels and those depicted on the latest European ENS mean for late next week...interesting to say the least

1983 December Arctic Outbreak

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Late Next Week

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#913 Postby Ntxw » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:52 pm

orangeblood wrote:Now, I'm not suggesting we are going to a December 1983 type outbreak but check out the scary similarities to the late December 1983 Northern Hemisphere Upper Levels and those depicted on the latest European ENS mean for late next week...interesting to say the least

1983 December Arctic Outbreak

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/tmp/histda ... .44.10.gif

Late Next Week

http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis ... hem_11.png


Did you see today's Euro weeklies? The ridge sits and bombs 570mb+. I think 83 was 580+. It follows it pretty well sure would be fun to see.

You can look at 1983's ridge progression here below. Look from around the 15th, 20th-25th in sequence

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/data/20thC ... mages.html
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#914 Postby SeGaBob » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:56 pm

:uarrow: If this pans out, would it be worse than last month's arctic air?
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#915 Postby orangeblood » Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:47 pm

To srainhoutx's point earlier today....here's a graphical representation, to give everyone a better sense of how much the top analog dates shown on the CPC day 11 Analog Composite mean business....

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#916 Postby Rgv20 » Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:37 am

"15 day forecast of the GFS lol" wxman57 There I said it for you.....now let us have our moment! :D

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#917 Postby srainhoutx » Fri Dec 19, 2014 5:53 am

Heavy rain with thunder has been ongoing across Metro Houston the past several hours with some isolated flooding issues to the NE in the Piney Woods of East Texas into Louisiana.

The Global ensembles are still indicating a +PDO/-EPO/+PNA/-AO/-NOA regime develops as a very deep 5H low wraps up near the Great Lakes around Christmas and ushers in a significant pattern change as a strong blocking pattern develops and a cross polar flow brings very cold air south across the Canadian Prairies into the Plains just before the New Year. In fact the 2 meter temperatures for IAH plunge to the upper 20's for daytime highs with lows in the mid to upper teens to around 20F via the 00Z OP GFS in the longer range. If the 500mb charts are correct via the ensembles, a prolonged below freezing period could be possible as January 2015 begins.
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#918 Postby gpsnowman » Fri Dec 19, 2014 5:57 am

Some good rain about to enter the DFW area this morning. Some embedded t-storms according to WFAA radar. Nice little soaker for the morning commute. Be careful out there driving.
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#919 Postby wxman57 » Fri Dec 19, 2014 6:37 am

I'm not liking what I'm seeing for New Year's. Don't think I'll go on the Houston Bicycle club's New Year's bike ride...

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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#920 Postby Ralph's Weather » Fri Dec 19, 2014 6:58 am

wxman57 wrote:I'm not liking what I'm seeing for New Year's. Don't think I'll go on the Houston Bicycle club's New Year's bike ride...

http://home.comcast.net/~cgh57/iahgfsx0zdec19.gif

Shades of '83 there.
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