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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#921 Postby Sambucol » Sun Dec 31, 2023 11:39 pm

Stratton23 wrote:00z ICON is by far the fastest model with the arctic air, entering texas at hour 180, and boy its a cold run, 00z CMC is also very cold, but much slower with the arctic air

This is sounding like a repeat of 2021. Or worse. Hopefully the grid will hold up.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#922 Postby Harp.1 » Sun Dec 31, 2023 11:40 pm

This GFS run is weird. Completely different from the last few.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#923 Postby Stratton23 » Sun Dec 31, 2023 11:46 pm

Harp.1 its very common for models to lose the cold in this range, the global models, especially the GFS have a very difficult time handeling cold airmasses, especially arctic ones, the ensembles still look great, expect more flipping in the coming days
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#924 Postby cheezyWXguy » Sun Dec 31, 2023 11:49 pm

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Stratton23 wrote:00z ICON is by far the fastest model with the arctic air, entering texas at hour 180, and boy its a cold run, 00z CMC is also very cold, but much slower with the arctic air

This is sounding like a repeat of 2021. Or worse. Hopefully the grid will hold up.

Wayyyyy too early to speculate on that. Statistically, a repeat scenario is highly unlikely, so I’d keep a “believe it when I see it” attitude until the event is closer and models converge on a solution consistently, or else you’re very likely to be disappointed. If it’s going to happen, it will become clear in due time
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#925 Postby txtwister78 » Mon Jan 01, 2024 12:02 am

Stratton23 wrote:00z ICON is by far the fastest model with the arctic air, entering texas at hour 180, and boy its a cold run, 00z CMC is also very cold, but much slower with the arctic air


While there is likely to be some fluctuation on timing going forward, it's important to note that the ICON typically does a good job in the medium range in terms of its handling of arctic air further south down into Texas. Keep in mind global models often struggle with the timing and overall impact of arctic airmasses further south down the plains into Texas. Some of that has to do with the Rockies as models tend to dam or "hold" arctic air too long as it moves south. We see it almost every winter. Still several days to watch, however. Happy New Year to all!

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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#926 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jan 01, 2024 12:09 am

I like what I'm seeing from the ensembles. I think it's pretty clear a cold air mass is building up in Canada.

Naturally with energy diving into the west/southwest that SW-NE flow the ops try their hardest to hold up the surface air masses. The ingredients are slowly coming together for what will likely be several cold blasts and winter storms.

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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#927 Postby Iceresistance » Mon Jan 01, 2024 12:15 am

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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#928 Postby Cpv17 » Mon Jan 01, 2024 12:28 am

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Fixed it for you ;)


Thanks man. Idk how to do that crap lol
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#929 Postby Stratton23 » Mon Jan 01, 2024 12:48 am

I love the 00z GEFS, hangs some of the energy/trough back over the SW , thats what you want to see if you want a winter storm in the south
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#930 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jan 01, 2024 1:49 am

0z Euro has a blizzard.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#931 Postby Cpv17 » Mon Jan 01, 2024 1:57 am

0z GEFS is weird to me past 300 hours. It has ridging starting to form over FL and a big ridge that pops over the Aleutian Islands, which causes what looks to be a major -PNA, and a ton of troughing way out west.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#932 Postby Cpv17 » Mon Jan 01, 2024 2:01 am

Ntxw wrote:0z Euro has a blizzard.


Looks a good bit further south than the 12z Euro.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#933 Postby Harp.1 » Mon Jan 01, 2024 2:05 am

Ntxw wrote:0z Euro has a blizzard.

Where?
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#934 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jan 01, 2024 2:15 am

Harp.1 wrote:
Ntxw wrote:0z Euro has a blizzard.

Where?


Not for any of us on the surface importantly. But it is a very deep system crossing US.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#935 Postby Cpv17 » Mon Jan 01, 2024 2:18 am

This pattern looks freaking amped! Loving what I’m seeing. In a pattern like this, someone might get a storm that they’ll remember for a lifetime.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#936 Postby Brent » Mon Jan 01, 2024 8:34 am

Tulsa already mentioning could be a changeover to snow with the day 8 storm
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#937 Postby wxman57 » Mon Jan 01, 2024 10:08 am

I'm not seeing anything to indicate significant cold coming south in the next 10 days or more. I note that the 00Z GFS doesn't even have freezing temps in D-FW through the 16th. 06Z run has a light freeze in D-FW the 15th and 16th. Very fast zonal flow is not good for bringing Arctic air south. Nothing significant in the 00Z Euro, either. Pattern is good for producing precipitation, though, with snow as far south as Oklahoma.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#938 Postby orangeblood » Mon Jan 01, 2024 10:39 am

Ntxw wrote:
Harp.1 wrote:
Ntxw wrote:0z Euro has a blizzard.

Where?


Not for any of us on the surface importantly. But it is a very deep system crossing US.


Yep, if this came anywhere close to verifying at 500mb a big portion of the southern plains will be buried in snow…plenty of cold enough air to tap into this time of year. Historically sub 540 across central Texas delivers 9 of 10 times

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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#939 Postby Harp.1 » Mon Jan 01, 2024 10:43 am

Is that a ULL?
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#940 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jan 01, 2024 10:56 am

Harp.1 wrote:Is that a ULL?


Yes, very rare to get that low that far south. There are only a handful of cases.
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