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Joe Bastardi said...

#1 Postby James5o4 » Tue Dec 02, 2003 2:07 pm

I hear that Joe Bastardi said that there could very well be up to a foot of snow near nyc and north, near the coast after it is all said and done...now, i know he's a bit extreme with his forecasts, but do anyone see some substantial snows coming to the megalopolis?
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#2 Postby chadtm80 » Tue Dec 02, 2003 2:18 pm

I dont follow Joe Bastardi on his winter 4 casts.. But if he conducts him self with those like he does with the Tropics, then yes.. He is a bit extreme.. LOL
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Re: Joe Bastardi said...

#3 Postby donsutherland1 » Tue Dec 02, 2003 2:45 pm

James,

I don't believe JB exactly called for a foot of snow in the big cities. He said something along the lines that he would be very surprised if there wasn't any snow on the ground from Washington, DC to NYC by Monday morning and that he would not be surprised if there was a foot. In other words, in JB's early assessment, there is a very good chance that the DCA-NYC area receives at least some accumulating snowfall from the coming storm and there also is significant upside potential.

Later, just to be clear, he mentioned that the best chances for a big snowfall are west of I-95.

If one examines yesterday's 12Z run of the ECMWF, JB is not necessarily being extreme in his assessment.

Over here, it increasingly appears that my initial assessment of mainly rain for the big cities of the NE was both premature and may well be in growing doubt. After another run or two of the ECMWF, I'll decide whether or not to abandon my initial idea, which by the way does not rule out significant snowfall inland e.g., Allentown, Poughkeepsie, etc.

From the early look, RNS and Erica have been on top of the situation from the start.
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#4 Postby Colin » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:12 pm

WOOHOO...another awesome met says sig snow for Allentown!!!!! :D
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#5 Postby JCT777 » Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:40 pm

Don - if you are about to hop aboard the "big cities seeing decent snow" bandwagon, it will be difficult for me not to follow you.
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#6 Postby Playballgt14 » Tue Dec 02, 2003 4:04 pm

what bout NE ohio, any snow from this??
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#7 Postby Colin » Tue Dec 02, 2003 4:41 pm

Playballgt14 wrote:what bout NE ohio, any snow from this??


The way it is looking now, not much... maybe 1-3".
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#8 Postby Guest » Tue Dec 02, 2003 4:58 pm

Playballgt14 wrote:what bout NE ohio, any snow from this??




Well from my early standpoint i think just about all of Ohio should see a decent accumulation (4+)???? of snow from this system. The problem is how much. Mainly because of the speed and track of the system. Only areas in question to me would be the nw areas of Ohio up towards Toledo and the Michigan boarder mainly because of Lake and track of system.

Areas to the east of the apps mainly from the cities east are gonna be the tough call as Don/RNS and others have pointed out. Cities west should see a decent snowfall from this which applies to most all from Richmond, VA north to Boston!

The MTS (southern/central apps) of NC/TN/VA/KY/WV/MD/PA should do very well from this system.

Another tough call for snow/mixed will be central/se VA (Richmond, VA) and the Delmarva down into the Carolinas where CAD/Upper level low and possible coastal development (speed and location) will be playing a big role.

Things should become clearer as we get more info from the models etc by tomorrow evening so check in often to see how things are progressing with this storm!
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#9 Postby therock1811 » Tue Dec 02, 2003 5:00 pm

Great analysis King...Brandon (Indiana Weather Online) says about the same thing, he thinks you stand to get 3-6"...says I may get 2-4".
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#10 Postby 2001kx » Tue Dec 02, 2003 5:04 pm

central,pa??snow??
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#11 Postby Anonymous » Tue Dec 02, 2003 5:15 pm

king of weather wrote:
Playballgt14 wrote:what bout NE ohio, any snow from this??




Well from my early standpoint i think just about all of Ohio should see a decent accumulation (4+)???? of snow from this system. The problem is how much. Mainly because of the speed and track of the system. Only areas in question to me would be the nw areas of Ohio up towards Toledo and the Michigan boarder mainly because of Lake and track of system.

Areas to the east of the apps mainly from the cities east are gonna be the tough call as Don/RNS and others have pointed out. Cities west should see a decent snowfall from this which applies to most all from Richmond, VA north to Boston!

The MTS (southern/central apps) of NC/TN/VA/KY/WV/MD/PA should do very well from this system.

Another tough call for snow/mixed will be central/se VA (Richmond, VA) and the Delmarva down into the Carolinas where CAD/Upper level low and possible coastal development (speed and location) will be playing a big role.

Things should become clearer as we get more info from the models etc by tomorrow evening so check in often to see how things are progressing with this storm!






King of Weather, I have a Question:

How much snow will Woodbridge, Va get from this?

Is it really possible that this storm could actually STALL off the coast and become an early-season MONSTER?!!!!!!!!!

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#12 Postby Guest » Tue Dec 02, 2003 5:43 pm

Jeb wrote:
king of weather wrote:
Playballgt14 wrote:what bout NE ohio, any snow from this??




Well from my early standpoint i think just about all of Ohio should see a decent accumulation (4+)???? of snow from this system. The problem is how much. Mainly because of the speed and track of the system. Only areas in question to me would be the nw areas of Ohio up towards Toledo and the Michigan boarder mainly because of Lake and track of system.

Areas to the east of the apps mainly from the cities east are gonna be the tough call as Don/RNS and others have pointed out. Cities west should see a decent snowfall from this which applies to most all from Richmond, VA north to Boston!

The MTS (southern/central apps) of NC/TN/VA/KY/WV/MD/PA should do very well from this system.

Another tough call for snow/mixed will be central/se VA (Richmond, VA) and the Delmarva down into the Carolinas where CAD/Upper level low and possible coastal development (speed and location) will be playing a big role.

Things should become clearer as we get more info from the models etc by tomorrow evening so check in often to see how things are progressing with this storm!






King of Weather, I have a Question:

How much snow will Woodbridge, Va get from this?

Is it really possible that this storm could actually STALL off the coast and become an early-season MONSTER?!!!!!!!!!




Yes it is very possible this storm could do just that which would without a doubt bury quite a few people in snow. Still to early to say however who will get what. Just have that SHOVEL ready Jeb!!!!
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#13 Postby R0bb0871 » Tue Dec 02, 2003 6:56 pm

What about Northwest New Jersey? Morris Country, in particular.
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#14 Postby LehighValleyForcaster » Tue Dec 02, 2003 7:31 pm

King of Weather, I have a Question:

How much snow will Woodbridge, Va get from this?

Is it really possible that this storm could actually STALL off the coast and become an early-season MONSTER?!!!!!!!!!

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#15 Postby donsutherland1 » Tue Dec 02, 2003 8:57 pm

John,

Things continue to look better from that vantage point. Another run by the ECMWF like today's 12Z run, and I'll be on board for a possible significant snowfall from Philadelphia to Boston (of course some sleet or rain could mix in at times).
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#16 Postby Stephanie » Tue Dec 02, 2003 9:07 pm

JCT777 wrote:Don - if you are about to hop aboard the "big cities seeing decent snow" bandwagon, it will be difficult for me not to follow you.


Ditto that one! I'm a bit taken aback by how this little monster is evolving and how long this thing may last. I knew that Saturday was all rain and Sunday was a mixture of rain/snow/wind, but from what the models are starting to say TOGETHER, there may be a run on bread and milk Friday! :eek:
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