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#1 Postby Geomagnetic Man » Sat Sep 24, 2005 9:00 am

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September 24, 2005 Discussion

DISCUSSION ... FOR ALL OF SOUTHWESTERN CALIFORNIA INCLUDING ALL OF ORANGE COUNTY ... SOUTHERN LOS ANGELES COUNTY ... WESTERN RIVERSIDE COUNTY ... AND SOUTHWESTERN SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY ...

SYNOPSIS....A storm system will be rotating in nearly the same area as last week's system, This system may, in fact bring more Thunderstorms, and Rain to the forecast area once again. Analysis models are differing on timing and strength. Its very difficult this time to pinpoint the entire scenario. Hopefully tomorrows will show better.

PRE-STORM FACTS: We use this section to tell you the conditions before the storm. If we tell you a condition and it comes true when we say it, expect the storm to be on track! The condition is High Clouds. Tomorrow, Sunday, in the morning till the evening expect high cirrus looking clouds across the sky. A number of them perhaps.

...SHORT RANGE DISCUSSION...

THE RAIN CHANCES...As of right now the rain chances look okay. Not all that impressive like last week, but all areas in the forecast area might get a chance to see some rain. There's not a whole lot of wind at the lower levels, and moisture content is a bit lower than last weeks storm system. If anything the rain should start Monday Evening, and into Tuesday Afternoon. The timing just like last weeks storms. Rainfall may range from 1 inch or lower with this as storms will move rapidly, not staying over the forecast area long enough to produce totals.

THE THUNDERSTORM CHANCES... This will be determined tomorrow or the day of the storm's arrival. This is a toughie as Thunderstorm waves are hard to forecast. Not the initial wave, but the entire location of the passing. Keep in mind that this system may yield the same thunderstorms as last weeks light show if the models continue this way. 700mb mid level, and 850mb lower level moisture is in place. Although a bit lower than last week, it shouldn't effect the chances. The cold air aloft will be cold enough, conjunction with the warm air down here to produce some strong warm air advection. Large scale ascent, producing numerous scattered thunderstorms. More on this tomorrow.

WIND CHANCES... Winds do not look like a problem at all. For now that is. lower level winds, and jet position and advection don't look entirely bad for anything alert able.

MEDIUM RANGE DISCUSSION...After this passes, we might settle down finally. Huge storm systems passing to the far north will cause a ridge under us. This might warm things back to normal temperatures.

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#2 Postby Geomagnetic Man » Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:36 am

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Sunday, September 25 Discussion

DISCUSSION ... FOR ALL OF SOUTHWESTERN CALIFORNIA INCLUDING ALL OF ORANGE COUNTY ... SOUTHERN LOS ANGELES COUNTY ... WESTERN RIVERSIDE COUNTY ... AND SOUTHWESTERN SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY ...

SYNOPSIS....A storm system that we told you about last week will be rotating in nearly the same area as last week's system, This system may, in fact bring more Thunderstorms, and Rain to the forecast area once again. Analysis models are differing on timing and strength. Its very difficult this time to pinpoint the entire scenario. Hopefully tomorrows will show better.

PRE-STORM FACTS: We use this section to tell you the conditions before the storm. If we tell you a condition and it comes true when we say it, expect the storm to be on track! The High Clouds were NOT on track at all today. We are in very poor confidence about this storm system.

...SHORT RANGE DISCUSSION...

THE RAIN CHANCES...The rain chances are looking a bit better on models, but satellite imagery is not supporting what we want to see. What we want to see in a Water Vapor satellite image is moisture coming in. That case happened last week, however this week it's looking rather unimpressive. The moisture plume is not showing up on satellite yet. We are worried that the models overdid this system alot. The GFS tends to overdue systems sometimes. Since this is a cutoff low system, the GFS also doesn't handle them well. The main winter storm systems are handled very well. We are going to lay down todays rain forecast in the chance catagory. This is not solid yet. Tomorrow's forecast will show final what will happen. We still are not sure. First time we've ever been unsure, and we will analize the models, and satellite data, and figure out what is going on for you. Check back in your emails tomorrow afternoon for the final forecast.

THE THUNDERSTORM CHANCES... The main moisture comes in Tomorrow afternoon/evening. The main dynamics come in around the same time. The 500MB temp at -12C will be around as well so tomorrow afternoon into the evening will be the best chances for thunderstorms. After the night, it diminishes quickly. Tomorrow will tell you how powerful we expect. As of right now, nothing more then isolated thunderstorms, nothing like last week's.

WIND CHANCES... Winds do not look like a problem at all. For now that is. lower level winds, and jet position and advection don't look entirely bad for anything alert able.

MEDIUM RANGE DISCUSSION...After this passes, we might settle down finally. Temperatures will hover around the same as they hae been, and a Marine Layer will move in each night, sometimes to the inland valleys.

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#3 Postby wxmann_91 » Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:57 am

Well you beat me to it, I just hope there isn't another freak lightning storm like there was last time - after that I had a headache for one whole day and I can't afford that with a midterm coming up later this week :eek: .

On the other hand, most of the moisture is expected to stay north of San Diego if the NAM verifies. :x :cry:

I'd like to know the last time we had two rain events in SoCal in September. Interesting. Could that mean a busy rainy season to come?
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#4 Postby aveosmth » Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:35 am

Measurable precip in SoCal in September west of the mountains is extremely rare...to have two good chances for it is amazing.

However, should we really be surprised that it is happening this year??? 2005 has been one of the best/worst weather years that I can remember in my life here in Los Angeles.

We have had a bunch of tornadoes, 1 1/2 inch hail, and countless days of storms. For a while there Los Angeles was beating Seattle as far as rainfall totals. I don't know if we ended up w/more than Seattle, but I'm sure it was close.

If this winter is half as interesting as the last, it will be awesome.
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#5 Postby Geomagnetic Man » Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:48 pm

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September 26, 2005 Discussion

DISCUSSION ... FOR ALL OF SOUTHWESTERN CALIFORNIA INCLUDING ALL OF ORANGE COUNTY ... SOUTHERN LOS ANGELES COUNTY ... WESTERN RIVERSIDE COUNTY ... AND SOUTHWESTERN SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY ...

SYNOPSIS....A storm system will be rotating in nearly the same area as last week, This system may, in fact bring more Thunderstorms, and Rain to the forecast area once again


PRE-STORM FACTS: We use this section to tell you the conditions before the storm. If we tell you a condition and it comes true when we say it, expect the storm to be on track! The condition is nothing, the storm is here.

...SHORT RANGE DISCUSSION...

THE RAIN CHANCES...Ok, models got their act together fairly quickly. We will see more rain out of this than last week, and more thunderstorms will impact the entire forecast area. Areas along the coast, from Orange County to Los Angeles will be favored for the thunderstorms, while areas inland favored for the rain. The question is how much? Well looking at the layers in the 700MB, and 850MB level, we have a saturated layer of 700MB moisture on top of a 60% RH level in the 850MB level. This will contrbute to a solid band of rain, much like a cold front in the winter extending all the way to San Diego. Expect the action to start in scattered shower form at around 3pm, and get more numerous after sunset. Sometime after 11pm, to about sunrise Tuesday Morning is when we expect the most rain to impact. This storm will be on alert level 3

THE THUNDERSTORM CHANCES... with saturated 700MB levels, and 60% RH at 850MB, and a colder air aloft of -8 to -10, with a strong warm air advection, this will cause a large scale area of ascent with numerous thunderstorms in spots. The most thunderstorms will again be along the coast from Orange County to Los Angeles County. Thunderstorms will be heard, and seen anywhere though. dynamics for this are stronger between 9pm tonight to sunrise on Tuesday Morning. This will diminish after that. This storm will be on alert level 3

WIND CHANCES... Winds do not look like a problem at all. For now that is. lower level winds, and jet position and advection don't look entirely bad for anything alertable.

MEDIUM RANGE DISCUSSION...After this passes, a chance on friday, but we will get into the chances, or the non-chances tomorrow. Stay safe tonight, the roads will be slick, and hard to drive at times.

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#6 Postby Geomagnetic Man » Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:43 pm

looks like everything is on time. Turn on your radio to the AM stations with static. You can hear the lightning on there when it discharges. I use it alot as a detector. Currently heard them coming from cells off the coast of LAX

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#7 Postby wxmann_91 » Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:51 pm

Well, it's been sunny all day here, all the precip is north of LA.

TWC has lowered pops for us to <20% tonight.

Come on, I'm crossing my fingers!!!
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#8 Postby wxmann_91 » Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:33 pm

Wow, what a bust of a forecast. Much of the moisture was confined to the mountains north of Los Angeles. Sunny here all day and ULL expected to move well to the north of San Diego. Perhaps LA might get a sprinkle. Oh well, perhaps we can look at toward the Santa Anas for some interesting weather until the rainy season begins.
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#9 Postby Geomagnetic Man » Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:04 am

Talk about a bust. Well a sorta bust, lol. My first forecast was more on than my final one. I just didn't see anything on Water Vapor, but I sided with NWS to corrispond with them and failed. I knew I should have stuck to the regular forecast. We had rain here, and we had a few cracks of thunder. Thats about it, and I guess its good enough.
Till next time.

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