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Severe wx psbl Tx, La...Points east watch too!

#1 Postby Anonymous » Sat Feb 21, 2004 5:47 am

Ok the spc has outlined southern tx, coastal LA for severe weather risk on day 2(sunday). Seems as if this will be the beginning of a potent event to spread accross the Southeastern US through Midweek bringing a threat of severe weather as well as a flood potential....

First the spc day 2 outlook...
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...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS FOR PARTS OF CENTRAL/SE TX AND
EXTREME SW LA....

...SYNOPSIS...
SPLIT FLOW REGIME WILL PERSIST OVER THE WRN STATES FOR THE NEXT FEW
DAYS. WITHIN THE SRN STREAM...A CLOSED LOW NOW OVER SRN CA WILL
EJECT ENEWD AS AN OPEN WAVE AND WEAKEN IN THE CONFLUENT FLOW OVER
THE MID MS VALLEY...WHILE AN UPSTREAM TROUGH NEAR 40 N AND 143 W
DIGS SEWD AND BEGINS TO EVOLVE INTO ANOTHER CLOSED LOW INVOF SRN
CA/NRN BAJA NEAR THE END OF THE PERIOD. ELSEWHERE...A CONTINENTAL
POLAR AIR MASS WILL COVER MUCH OF THE OH VALLEY/NEW ENGLAND IN THE
WAKE OF A NRN STREAM TROUGH NOW OVER THE GREAT LAKES. THUNDERSTORMS
WILL BE POSSIBLE IN TWO AREAS - SRN CA/SW AZ WITH THE DEVELOPING
CLOSED LOW...AND TX/OK EWD TO THE LOWER MS VALLEY.

...TX/OK EWD TO LOWER MS VALLEY...
THE REMNANTS OF THE CLOSED LOW NOW OVER SRN CA WILL EJECT ENEWD FROM
TX/OK TO THE MS VALLEY. THOUGH THIS SYSTEM WILL WEAKEN WITH TIME...
EXPECT LOW-LEVEL WAA TO SPREAD EWD FROM NRN/ERN TX AND OK DURING THE
DAY TO AR/LA/MS BY SUNDAY NIGHT. THE AIR MASS OVER THE GULF BASIN
IS STILL RECOVERING FROM A PREVIOUS FRONTAL PASSAGE...BUT SURFACE
DEWPOINTS HAVE ALREADY INCREASED INTO THE MID 60S. ADDITIONAL
MODIFICATION AND ADVECTION FROM WARMER OCEAN AREAS TO THE S AND E IS
LIKELY THE NEXT TWO DAYS TO THE S OF A WEAK COLD FRONT ACROSS THE NW
GULF. THIS BOUNDARY WILL LIKELY STALL AND THEN RETURN NWD AS A WARM
FRONT TO THE TX/LA COASTS SUNDAY. ELEVATED THUNDERSTORMS WILL
LIKELY DEVELOP EARLY IN THE PERIOD ACROSS N/NW TX AND SRN OK AND
THEN SPREAD EWD AND EXPAND IN COVERAGE OVER E TX DURING THE
AFTERNOON...REACHING AR/MS OVERNIGHT.

THE COMBINATION OF MODEST MID LEVEL LAPSE RATES /NEAR 7 C/KM/...
INCREASING LOW-LEVEL MOISTURE...AND 0-6 KM SHEAR OF 40-50 KT MAY
SUPPORT A FEW SUPERCELLS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING ISOLATED LARGE HAIL
AND DAMAGING GUSTS ACROSS CENTRAL AND SE TX/EXTREME SW LA. THE
SOMEWHAT GREATER THREAT SHOULD BE IN PROXIMITY TO THE RICHER
LOW-LEVEL MOISTURE FROM S CENTRAL TX EWD TO THE UPPER TX/SW LA
COASTS...WITH A LESSER THREAT FOR HAIL WITH ELEVATED STORMS FARTHER
N. THE TORNADO THREAT APPEARS QUESTIONABLE GIVEN THE POSSIBILITY
THAT A SHALLOW STABLE LAYER MAY PERSIST OVER LAND ACROSS SE TX/SW LA
WHERE LOW-LEVEL SHEAR WILL BE GREATER THAN AREAS FARTHER W.


And this event has made the CPC hazards assesments....
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A vigorous low-latitude storm is likely to produce severe weather and localized flooding from the Gulf Coast States to southern Georgia and FLorida Feb 23-24. ...

For Monday Feb 23 - Wednesday Feb 25, 2004: A series of vigorous Pacific storms is expected to bring periods of heavy rains with risk of floods and mudslides to southern California and possibly as far inland as Arizona. The stronger of these systems will redevelop east of the Rockies and produce additional heavy rains and risk of severe weather across the Gulf Coast Region to southern Georgia and Florida.
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Also from CPC....
For Thursday Feb 26 - Friday Mar 5, 2004: Additional storms coming in from the Pacific will drop southeastward across central and southern Califonria and most of the action will continue to be across the southern part of the U.S. Further episodes of heavy rain may bring urban and small stream flooding and mudslides to much of California, possibly extending inland to the southern half Arizona. One or more of these short waves may maintain enough intensity after crossing the Rockies to trigger severe weather and more localized flooding across the Gulf Coast States as far east as Florida and the Carolinas. However, timing and location are still somewhat uncertain this far ahead.
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#2 Postby wx247 » Sat Feb 21, 2004 8:23 am

Thanks for the heads up... will definitely be watching it.
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#3 Postby Suzi Q » Sun Feb 22, 2004 12:11 pm

HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HOUSTON/GALVESTON TX
700 AM CST SUN FEB 22 2004

TXZ163-164-176>179-195>200-210>214-226-227-235>238-231300-
AUSTIN-BRAZORIA-BRAZOS-BURLESON-CHAMBERS-COLORADO-FORT BEND-GALVESTON-GRIMES-HARRIS-HOUSTON-JACKSON-LIBERTY-MADISON-MATAGORDA-MONTGOMERY-POLK-SAN JACINTO-TRINITY-WALKER-WALLER-WASHINGTON-WHARTON-
700 AM CST SUN FEB 22 2004

THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR SOUTHEAST TEXAS.

.DAY ONE...TODAY AND TONIGHT.
NO HAZARDOUS WEATHER IS EXPECTED AT THIS TIME. SCATTERED SHOWERS ARE EXPECTED TO DEVELOP ACROSS SOUTHEAST TEXAS TODAY AS WEAK DISTURBANCES ASSOCIATED WITH AN APPROACHING STORM SYSTEM MOVE ACROSS THE AREA. THUNDERSTORM DEVELOPMENT IS POSSIBLE TONIGHT AS STRONGER DISTURBANCES MOVE ACROSS THE AREA AND THE APPROACHING STORM SYSTEM
EDGES A LITTLE CLOSER TO TEXAS.

.DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
THE STORM SYSTEM WILL CONTINUE TO SLOWLY MAKE ITS WAY TOWARD TEXAS ON MONDAY AND WILL MOVE ACROSS THE STATE ON TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY. THE AIRMASS ACROSS SOUTHEAST TEXAS IS EXPECTED TO BECOME INCREASINGLY UNSTABLE ON MONDAY AND TUESDAY. THUNDERSTORMS THAT DO DEVELOP AROUND AND TO THE WEST OF SOUTHEAST TEXAS WILL HAVE TO POTENTIAL TO BECOME SEVERE. LARGE HAIL AND DAMAGING WINDS APPEAR TO BE THE PRIMARY THREAT WITH THESE THUNDERSTORMS. THE RISK OF SEVERE
WEATHER WILL DIMINISH ON WEDNESDAY AS THE STORM SYSTEM MOVES OFF TO OUR EAST.

.SPOTTER INFORMATION STATEMENT...
SPOTTER ACTIVATION IS NOT ANTICIPATED TODAY OR TONIGHT. ACTIVATION MAY BE REQUESTED ON MONDAY OR TUESDAY.


Not twister weather, but getting closer....... :eek:
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#4 Postby ColdFront77 » Sun Feb 22, 2004 4:26 pm

Showers are in the forecast for central Florida most of this week, especially Wednesday, when there is a chance of rain.

At this time, thunderstorms are not expected in my general area.


Here are excerpts from 2 Area Forecast Discussions (Jacksonville and Ruskin [Tampa Bay Area, FL]):

National Weather Service: Jacksonville, FL wrote:AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION...CORRECTED
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE JACKSONVILLE FL
405 PM EST SUN FEB 22 2004

...POTENTIALLY HEAVY RAINFALL TUESDAY AND TUESDAY NIGHT...

.SHORT TERM...HAVE LEANED TOWARDS THE GFS SOLUTION FOR THIS FORECAST.
COMPLEX WEATHER PATTERN COMING WHICH MAY LEAD TO OUR FIRST
SIGNIFICANT RAINFALL OF THE SEASON. CURRENTLY PARTLY SUNNY SKIES AND
PLEASANT CONDITIONS ACROSS THE CWA WITH WEAK HIGH PRESSURE. THE HIGH
SHIFTS EAST MONDAY ALLOWING FOR WINDS TO VEER TO SOUTHEAST AND
CLOUDS TO INCREASE. AS LOW PRESSURE DEVELOPES ACROSS TEXAS AND
WESTERN GULF...THE COLD FRONT WHICH PASSED THROUGH THIS MORNING
COMES BACK AS A WARM FRONT MONDAY NIGHT AND TUESDAY PUTTING MOST OF
OUR FLORIDA CWA IN THE WARM SECTOR. STRONG ISENTROPIC LIFT COUPLED
WITH A UPPER DIFFLUENCE FROM STRONG SUB-STROPICAL JET WILL LEAD TO A
GOOD CHANCE OF SHOWERS...WITH A FEW THUNDERSTORMS POSSIBLE IN THE
WARM SECTOR. AS ANOTHER SURFACE LOW FORMS OFF THE CAROLINAS FRONT
COMES BACK DOWN AGAIN AS A COLD FRONT STALLING OVER NE FL TUESDAY
NIGHT AND WED. AS THIS HAPPENS...A SERIES OF LOW PRESSURE SYSTEMS
RIDE THE FRONT WHICH WILL RESULT IN WIDESPREAD RAIN ACROSS N FL
TUESDAY NIGHT INTO WED AM. EXACT RAINFALL AMOUNTS IN QUESTION AND
DEPEND ON HOW THESE LOWS DEVELOP. FOR NOW...HAVE GONE WITH QPF
AMOUNTS AROUND 2 TO 2.5 INCHES IN FLORIDA AND SLIGHTLY LESS IN GA. A
SPLIT UPPER FLOW PATTERN WITH A CLOSED 500 MB LOW AND A STALLED
FRONT HAVE CAUSED HEAVY RAINFALL EVENTS IN THE PAST ACROSS OUR CWA
SO THIS NEEDS TO BE WATCHED. DID INCLUDE MENTION OF POSSIBLE HEAVY
RAINFALL IN THE AFTERNOON HWO. DRY SLOT MOVES IN DURING THE DAY WED
WHICH SHOULD END ANY STEADY RAIN BUT WILL SEE SOME SCATTERED SHOWERS
WED AS NEXT SURFACE WAVE RIDES THE FRONTAL BOUNDARY. FRONT AT THAT
TIME WILL LIFT FAR ENOUGH NORTH WHERE MOST OF THE FL CWA WILL BE IN
THE WARM SECTOR BUT COOL WEDGE WILL BE HANGING ON IN GEORGIA WHICH
MAY LEAD TO HIGHER PCP AMOUNTS ALONG THE SE GA COAST THAT DAY.
&&

.LONG TERM (THURS-SUN)...AS LOW PRESSURE DEVELOPS OFFSHORE THE COAST
THURSDAY...THERE WILL BE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF WRAP AROUND
MOISTURE ESPECIALLY IN THE MORNING. KEPT 30 POPS GOING FOR MOST OF
GA AND EXTREME N FL...AND DROPPED THEM EVERYWHERE BY FRIDAY AS THE
SURFACE LOW DEPARTS AND THE 850-500 MB TROUGH SWINGS THROUGH. BEHIND
THE DEPARTING SYSTEM...DRIER AND MUCH COOLER AIR WILL SWEEP IN AS A
STRONG SURFACE HIGH BUILDS DOWN THE EASTERN SEABOARD AND THICKNESSES
FALL. THE MRF IS GETTING PROGRESSIVELY COLDER ON EACH RUN...AND
DROPS INLAND SE GA TO THE UPPER 30S AND N FL TO LOWER 40S FRIDAY AM.
THE 1000-500 MB THICKNESSES AND 850 MB TEMPS APPEAR TO SUPPORT THESE
BELOW NORMAL READINGS SO WILL GO ALONG WITH THESE MIN TEMPS FOR NOW.
MAY NEED TO TWEAK DOWN IN NEXT FORECAST. AS THE STRONG SURFACE HIGH
BEGINS TO MOVE OFFSHORE OVER THE NEXT WEEKEND...WINDS WILL VEER TO
SOUTHEAST WHICH WILL BRING IN A FEW MORE CLOUDS AND MODERATING
TEMPS...BUT CHANCES OF RAIN APPEAR SLIM. OVERALL...A DRY EXTENDED
AFTER THURSDAY.

$$

PP/JH/ABE


National Weather Service: Tampa Bay Area - Ruskin, FL wrote:WEST CENTRAL AND SOUTHWEST FLORIDA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TAMPA BAY AREA - RUSKIN FL
231 AM EST SUN FEB 22 2004

DURING MONDAY NIGHT AND TUESDAY WARM FRONTAL BOUNDARY DRAPED ACROSS
THE NORTHERN GULF AND NORTHERN PENINSULA WITH A VERY STRONG SUB-
TROPICAL JET (> 110 KTS) ALOFT ENHANCING UPPER DIVERGENCE WILL
PROVIDE FOCUS FOR GOOD LIFT AND PRECIPITATION...AGAIN MAINLY ALONG
AND TO THE NORTH OF THE WARM FRONT...WITH SOME ISOLATED SHOWERS OR
LIGHT RAIN POSSIBLE FURTHER SOUTH IN THE WARM SECTOR. QPF OUTPUT FROM
GFS LOOK VERY IMPRESSIVE SHOWING OVER AN INCH FROM 06-12Z TUESDAY.
SEEING THAT THE GFS HAS BEEN FLIP-FLOPPING AROUND THE PAST SEVERAL
RUNS WITH RESPECT TO TIMING AND INTENSITY OF THIS SYSTEM...AND HAS
BEEN ALSO SUFFERING FROM SOME CONVECTIVE FEEDBACK AS WELL...WILL ERR
ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION WITH REGARD TO POPS AND QPF VALUES AND GO
ABOUT A CATEGORY LOWER THAN CURRENT MAV NUMBERS DEPICT...ESPECAILLY
NORTHERN ZONES. AS FOR T-STORMS...INSTABILITY STILL LOOKS TO BE ON
THE LOW SIDE...SO WILL HOLD OFF ON ADDING T-STORM WORDING TO THE
ZONES JUST YET. DEVELOPING SOUTHERLY FLOW WILL FAVOR WARM TEMPS THE
NEXT FEW DAYS WITH READING CLIMBING ABOVE SEASONAL NORMS. IN
ADDITION INCREASING DEW POINTS WILL FAVOR ADDITIONAL AREAS OF FOG
EACH NIGHT AND WILL INCLUDE IN THE GRIDS/ZONES AS WELL.


.LONG TERM (TUESDAY NIGHT-SAT)...WARM FRONTAL BOUNDARY ACROSS NORTH
FLORIDA CONTINUES TO BE MAIN FOCUS FOR RAIN AND SHOWERS TUESDAY
NIGHT...THEN FRONT OCCLUDES TO ABOUT FLORIDA PENINSULA WEDNESDAY
MORNING WITH WARM FRONT STILL ACROSS NORTHEAST FLORIDA WHILE COLD
FRONT DROPS SOUTHWARD THROUGH EASTERN GULF. THIS WILL ALLOW
STEADIER RAIN TO BECOME MORE SHOWERY IN NATURE WITH INCREASED LIFT
IN WARM SECTOR ACROSS MOST OF THE FORECAST AREA. BEST RAIN CHANCES
WILL BE ACROSS THE NORTH TUESDAY NIGHT...THEN CENTRAL AND SOUTH
DURING WEDNESDAY AS THE COLD FRONT MOVES ACROSS THE STATE.

SHOWERS COME TO AN END...PROBABLY BY SUNSET WEDNESDAY MOST PLACES...
BUT MAY LINGER INTO THE EVENING IN THE SOUTH. GFS DEPICTS A GOOD
BIT OF MOISTURE WRAPPING WELL AROUND THE LOW PRESSURE CENTER
FORECAST TO BE OFF THE GEORGIA COAST. THE H5 TROUGH WILL STILL BE TO
OUR WEST ON THURSDAY AND LOW-LEVEL FLOW WILL STILL BE CYCLONIC. MY
GUT FEELING WOULD BE TO ADD MORE CLOUDS AND SOME SLIGHT PRECIP
CHANCES...BUT DECIDED TO LEAVE PREVIOUS FORECAST IN PLACE UNTIL WE
GET MORE RUN-TO-RUN CONSISTENCY IN THE MODELS.

WHATEVER LEFTOVER CLOUDS WE HAVE THURSDAY SHOULD BE MOVING OUT BY
FRIDAY WITH A DRY WEEKEND SHAPING UP. HIGH PRESSURE WILL MOVE OFF
THE EASTERN SEABOARD LATE FRIDAY INTO SATURDAY WITH EAST AND
NORTHEAST FLOW IN PLACE ACROSS THE ENTIRE FORECAST AREA.

A QUICK PEEK AT THE 22/00Z MEX NUMBERS SUGGEST OUR FORECAST TEMPS...
ESPECIALLY OUR LOW TEMPS...MAY BE A FEW DEGREES TO LOW FOR FRIDAY
AND SATURDAY. AGAIN...NOT GOING TO BOUNCE AROUND THIS FAR OUT AS
I'M SURE WE'LL CONTINUE TO SEE NUMBERS CHANGE FROM ONE MODEL RUN TO
THE NEXT.

&&

.TBW WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...
DENSE FOG ADVISORY ALL ZONES THROUGH 9 AM THIS MORNING.

$$

SHORT TERM...MCMICHAEL
LONG TERM...JILLSON
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#5 Postby Guest » Sun Feb 22, 2004 6:21 pm

No severe here - just rain.
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#6 Postby Suzi Q » Tue Feb 24, 2004 8:05 am

Latest from NWS this morning:

WARM FRONT REMAINS OVER THE COASTAL WATERS...AND ACTUAL
TRACK OF THE UPPER LOW WILL DICTATE WHETHER THE FRONT MOVES INLAND. WITH THE LOW TAKING A MORE SOUTHERN TRACK...IT IS NOT LIKELY THE WARM FRONT WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE IT INLAND. THEREFORE...BELIEVE THE STORMS THAT WILL ACCOMPANY THE UPPER FEATURE WILL BE SLIGHTLY ELEVATED IN NATURE. LATEST MODEL GUIDANCE SUGGESTS THE UPPER LOW WILL HAVE A FAIRLY COLD CENTER /-22 TO -24 DEG C AT 500MB/. THIS SUGGESTS THERE WILL BE SOME POTENTIAL FOR HAIL WITH THE STRONGEST STORMS. DAY 1 AC HAS ALL BUT NORTHERN ZONES IN SLIGHT RISK. WILL MENTION SEVERE IN ALL ZONES...JUST IN CASE THE UPPER LOW WOBBLES A LITTLE BIT MORE NORTH.

Dang, I don't know how to do a HAIL dance!!!!!
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#7 Postby Suzi Q » Tue Feb 24, 2004 8:16 am

And here's the latest-maybe my spotting training might be put to use today:

FLUS44 KHGX 241200
HWOHGX

HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HOUSTON/GALVESTON TX
600 AM CST TUE FEB 24 2004

GMZ330-335-350-355-TXZ163-164-176>179-195>200-210>214-226-227-235>238-
251200-
AUSTIN-BRAZORIA-BRAZOS-BURLESON-CHAMBERS-COLORADO-FORT BEND-GALVESTON-GALVESTON BAY-GRIMES-HARRIS-HOUSTON-JACKSON-LIBERTY-MADISON-MATAGORDA-MATAGORDA BAY-MONTGOMERY-POLK-SAN JACINTO-TRINITY-WALKER-WALLER-
WASHINGTON-WATERS FROM FREEPORT TO THE MATAGORDA SHIP CHANNEL OUT 20 NM-WATERS FROM HIGH ISLAND TO FREEPORT OUT 20 NM-WHARTON-
600 AM CST TUE FEB 24 2004

...SLIGHT RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS SOUTHEAST TEXAS
TODAY...

THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR SOUTHEAST TEXAS.

.DAY ONE...TODAY AND TONIGHT.
AN UPPER LEVEL TROUGH OF LOW PRESSURE WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE TOWARD SOUTHEAST TEXAS TODAY. SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS WILL ACCOMPANY THIS FEATURE...AND SOME OF THE STORMS WILL HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO PRODUCE VERY HEAVY RAINFALL. ADDITIONALLY...MID LEVEL TEMPERATURES WILL BE VERY COLD WITH THE TROUGH...SUGGESTING THERE IS SOME POTENTIAL FOR LARGE HAIL WITH SOME OF THESE STORMS.

.SPOTTER INFORMATION STATEMENT...
EMERGENCY MANAGERS SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR HAZARDOUS WEATHER AS EARLY AS MID-MORNING. SPOTTER ACTIVATION MAY ALSO BE REQUIRED LATER THIS MORNING.
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#8 Postby Guest » Tue Feb 24, 2004 8:19 am

Looks like the storms are getting a jump on the weather this morning - developing off to the west and moving NE. Hopefully the severe weather will not happen.
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#9 Postby ColdFront77 » Tue Feb 24, 2004 10:09 am

Very wet morning here after a couple periods of heavy rain, between midnight and 1:30 am Eastern... all this moving eastward from Texas.
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#10 Postby southerngale » Tue Feb 24, 2004 12:37 pm

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LAKE CHARLES LA
1000 AM CST TUE FEB 24 2004

A few excerpts:
MAIN THREAT OF SVR WX WILL OCCUR
BY EVNG AND INTO THE OVERNIGHT HOURS AS THIS LOW MOVES CLOSER TO THE
AREA.

SOME ISOLD
TORNADOES ARE DEFINITELY POSSIBLE...BUT HAIL IS MOST LIKELY THE MAIN
THREAT WITH THIS SYSTEM FOR MOST OF OUR CWA.
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