Florida Weather

[otowntiger]

I laugh at those Floridians that are crying about this warm weather. Are you people kidding? The warmth is gorgeous, and is why people want to vacation in your state. Check out a place like Dallas, which is about to go from 73F to 19F, if predictions are correct; very disgusting weather.

It all totally depends upon your perspective. It's nice to be cold when it's supposed to be cold. I would welcome average temps. Right now we are baking. We are going to be near 90 on Sunday with 80% humidity. That's neither gorgeous, pleasant or comfortable.

[gatorcane]

GFS long-range targeting Florida again for some cold, but let's see what happens as we get closer....

[Hypercane_Kyle]

GFS long-range targeting Florida again for some cold, but let's see what happens as we get closer....

I have my doubts about that... somehow the front will die off or stall before it reaches here.

[MetroMike]

GFS long-range targeting Florida again for some cold, but let's see what happens as we get closer....

I have my doubts about that... somehow the front will die off or stall before it reaches here.

Should be another 1 day cool shot according to my local TV Met.

[TheStormExpert]

No worries the 18z GFS dropped it.

Oh how I wish we could just get a prolonged cool snap in time for the Holiday Season.

[psyclone]

it was a beautiful day here...sunny and 79 after a morning start in the upper 50's..about as good as it gets if you ask me. winds are now turning southeast and the Bahama breeze will pump in warmth and humidity so we've got some near record warmth on tap with overnight lows nearing normal daytime highs...looks like mid 80's inland so this is some warm stuff...but considering what's going on up north I'll enthusiastically accept.

[A.V.]

It all totally depends upon your perspective. It's nice to be cold when it's supposed to be cold. I would welcome average temps. Right now we are baking. We are going to be near 90 on Sunday with 80% humidity. That's neither gorgeous, pleasant or comfortable.

Only except it isn't supposed to be cold when you are the latitude where Texas, or Florida are. The winters of places like Jacksonville or Houston should be like those of current day Miami.

[SouthFloridian92]

Please let that be true.

[NDG]

Looking at the teleconnections forecast I don't see any major changes to our wx over the next couple of weeks, AO is continue to be positive, PNA neutral to negative and NAO near negative-neutral to slightly positive. Any cool downs will be for a day or two at the most.

[NDG]

It all totally depends upon your perspective. It's nice to be cold when it's supposed to be cold. I would welcome average temps. Right now we are baking. We are going to be near 90 on Sunday with 80% humidity. That's neither gorgeous, pleasant or comfortable.

Only except it isn't supposed to be cold when you are the latitude where Texas, or Florida are. The winters of places like Jacksonville or Houston should be like those of current day Miami.

You can't compare the winters of of Jax or Houston to that of Miami, south FL is almost like an Island surrounded by relatively warm waters year round, the only times Miami gets cold is when we have a persistent -NAO with an Arctic High settling over the peninsula, which are very to rare occur. That's why you don't see the tropical vegetation Miami has over south TX even though they both have the same latitude. Arctic air penetrates easier to S TX than to S FL. Lows in the 20s in S TX are not that rare while they are very rare in S FL.

[psyclone]

CPC outlooks now depict above normal temps across the central and eastern US so the northland is about to get a needed respite from the arctic cold. that should put the brakes on the southward extent of the snowpack and if anything result in a bit of a northward retreat. Florida and the southeast look to continue to be warmer than normal for the foreseeable future.

[A.V.]

You can't compare the winters of of Jax or Houston to that of Miami, south FL is almost like an Island surrounded by relatively warm waters year round, the only times Miami gets cold is when we have a persistent -NAO with an Arctic High settling over the peninsula, which are very to rare occur. That's why you don't see the tropical vegetation Miami has over south TX even though they both have the same latitude. Arctic air penetrates easier to S TX than to S FL. Lows in the 20s in S TX are not that rare while they are very rare in S FL.

That is the point; the arctic blasts should not be happening at all. Places like Brownsville, Corpus, and even Houston should have been tropical right now, as should places like New Orleans and Jacksonville. But North America's screwed up geography prevents that.

Even Miami isn't safe from North America's screw ups; it has the SAME record low as Malaga, Spain, and it has a tropical climate, ffs.

[psyclone]

You can't compare the winters of of Jax or Houston to that of Miami, south FL is almost like an Island surrounded by relatively warm waters year round, the only times Miami gets cold is when we have a persistent -NAO with an Arctic High settling over the peninsula, which are very to rare occur. That's why you don't see the tropical vegetation Miami has over south TX even though they both have the same latitude. Arctic air penetrates easier to S TX than to S FL. Lows in the 20s in S TX are not that rare while they are very rare in S FL.

That is the point; the arctic blasts should not be happening at all. Places like Brownsville, Corpus, and even Houston should have been tropical right now, as should places like New Orleans and Jacksonville. But North America's screwed up geography prevents that.

Even Miami isn't safe from North America's screw ups; it has the SAME record low as Malaga, Spain, and it has a tropical climate, ffs.

the key variable is the moderating impact of the sea. it is can be more important than latitude. North America has a wide expanse of flat terrain (the great plains) that allow unmodified arctic to flow unimpeded southward...which explains why, under certain conditions it can penetrate to low latitudes. Spain has a wide expanse of moderate ocean that separates it from the Arctic. The southern US has no such advantage. You can illustrate this additionally by looking closer to home. Take a look at Bermuda...with its coconut palms at 34 latitude. Now imagine coconut palms on the SC coast. Same latitude but one location is protected by warm sea (the gulf stream separates Bermuda from the arctic while SC lacks such protection)...the net effect is that Bermuda looks more tropical than my neighborhood and I'm 6 degrees closer to the equator...it's really fascinating to think about.

[A.V.]

the key variable is the moderating impact of the sea. it is can be more important than latitude. North America has a wide expanse of flat terrain (the great plains) that allow unmodified arctic to flow unimpeded southward...which explains why, under certain conditions it can penetrate to low latitudes. Spain has a wide expanse of moderate ocean that separates it from the Arctic. The southern US has no such advantage. You can illustrate this additionally by looking closer to home. Take a look at Bermuda...with its coconut palms at 34 latitude. Now imagine coconut palms on the SC coast. Same latitude but one location is protected by warm sea (the gulf stream separates Bermuda from the arctic while SC lacks such protection)...the net effect is that Bermuda looks more tropical than my neighborhood and I'm 6 degrees closer to the equator...it's really fascinating to think about.

I already acknowledged this. The lack of barriers of any kind blocking those arctic airmasses is what makes North America's climate a disaster. I've always known that there was something odd about the weather in the Eastern US.

Imagine that. Without those useless arctic airmasses, Houston would be growing coconuts right now.

[NDG]

You can't compare the winters of of Jax or Houston to that of Miami, south FL is almost like an Island surrounded by relatively warm waters year round, the only times Miami gets cold is when we have a persistent -NAO with an Arctic High settling over the peninsula, which are very to rare occur. That's why you don't see the tropical vegetation Miami has over south TX even though they both have the same latitude. Arctic air penetrates easier to S TX than to S FL. Lows in the 20s in S TX are not that rare while they are very rare in S FL.

That is the point; the arctic blasts should not be happening at all. Places like Brownsville, Corpus, and even Houston should have been tropical right now, as should places like New Orleans and Jacksonville. But North America's screwed up geography prevents that.

Even Miami isn't safe from North America's screw ups; it has the SAME record low as Malaga, Spain, and it has a tropical climate, ffs.

I now get what you're trying to say, yes if it wasn't for the Arctic shallow air masses coming down the plains Houston's vegetation would had been tropical. Imagine if there would had been a strip of high mountains west to east north of the gulf coast from northern TX to S Carolina

[A.V.]

I now get what you're trying to say, yes if it wasn't for the Arctic shallow air masses coming down the plains Houston's vegetation would had been tropical. Imagine if there would had been a strip of high mountains west to east north of the gulf coast from northern TX to S Carolina

Yep. I say tropical because if you look at temps when cold fronts aren't coming down, you'd see that Houston, New Orleans, Jacksonville, etc are having temps in the 60s for lows, even in the middle of January; the highs are then in the upper 60s or 70s, causing the average to fulfill Koppen's 64F cutoff for tropical.

[gatorcane]

Both the ECMWF and GFS parallel are now showing much below normal temps for Florida days 8-10. GFS below:

[northjaxpro]

Ho! Ho! Ho! It's Christmas time and in the midst of the shopping today, I see the mercury measured 81.7 degrees at my weather station. Quite remarkable seeing these toasty temps while the Northern Plains and Midwest is currently in the midst of a brutal arctic assault from Old Man Winter. Wow. We have just too much of a great thing going here in our neck of the woods uh? Just wondering when will Mother Nature turn the tables on us. We wait, and wait, and wait.........


Gatorcane, I will reserve judgment on that above model run for the the fact that the pattern looks to keep us waiting on some significant cool down it looks like at least for another 10 days, unless we see some type of change going negative with the NAO going towards New Years Day. I will wait to see if we see a definite trend of a -NAO at least before we see temps like that shown above on that GFS Parallel run.

[psyclone]

I think this weather is divine. T-shirt and shorts weather when much of the rest of country is getting hammered is why people come here. I'm seeing plenty of happy visitors. meanwhile I see parts of Texas have experienced a 50 degree drop with the front.

[NDG]

Both the ECMWF and GFS parallel are now showing much below normal temps for Florida days 8-10. GFS below:

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Euro already dropped that forecast, that was quick.