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Re: Texas Fall 2019

#1142 Postby Cpv17 » Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:39 pm

I really don’t see any major cold shots coming over the next couple weeks on the models. Just a couple standard fronts/minor cool downs. The real cold stuff looks to stay well north and east of Texas.
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Re: Texas Fall 2019

#1143 Postby bubba hotep » Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:24 pm

#DFW's average temperature for #October was 65.5°F, a full 20 degrees cooler than September. This is the largest drop between September and October on record. (The previous record was 18.5 degrees in 1925.) #dfwwx #txwx #autumn
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Re: Texas Fall 2019

#1144 Postby South Texas Storms » Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:49 pm

Cpv17 wrote:I really don’t see any major cold shots coming over the next couple weeks on the models. Just a couple standard fronts/minor cool downs. The real cold stuff looks to stay well north and east of Texas.


The 0z GFS says not so fast my friend. :wink:

But in all seriousness, the pattern looks ripe for continued below normal temperatures through the first half of November.
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Re: Texas Fall 2019

#1145 Postby Cpv17 » Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:31 am

South Texas Storms wrote:
Cpv17 wrote:I really don’t see any major cold shots coming over the next couple weeks on the models. Just a couple standard fronts/minor cool downs. The real cold stuff looks to stay well north and east of Texas.


The 0z GFS says not so fast my friend. :wink:

But in all seriousness, the pattern looks ripe for continued below normal temperatures through the first half of November.


I see that lol man, a 1054mb high dropping into Montana. Nuts! Winter precipitation possible in northern Mexico/deep south TX.
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Re: Texas Fall 2019

#1146 Postby Brent » Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:14 am

the end of the GFS looks like snow is about to move into DFW :roflmao:

Only 384 hours out!

In all seriousness there does seem to be a hint of a possible winter storm mid month. I'm not so sure about the cold being east of us, the pattern seems ripe for it to come straight south like this last round

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Re: Texas Fall 2019

#1147 Postby CaptinCrunch » Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:27 am

The first 10 days of November should remain on the cool side with average to below average temps and average precipitation.

Hope this pattern will reload for the Thanksgiving holidays as I would love to have a warm fire going for all the festivities.
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Re: Texas Fall 2019

#1148 Postby Brent » Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:04 pm

Record cold on the 12z GFS :froze: :cold: next Sunday is near 70 Monday is in the 30s and falling :lol:

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Re: Texas Fall 2019

#1149 Postby gpsnowman » Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:41 pm

Brent wrote:Record cold on the 12z GFS :froze: :cold: next Sunday is near 70 Monday is in the 30s and falling :lol:

https://i.ibb.co/CQmHxSq/gfs-T2m-scus-41.png https://i.ibb.co/sHZ5y40/gfs-T2ma-scus-41.png

Goodness gracious. Let's see what the Euro says. That would be impressive if true. Still a week+ out.
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Re: Texas Fall 2019

#1150 Postby Haris » Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:38 pm

It’s still way too far out to even entertain. These models showed several inches of rain consistently for our area last week yet we got only .2”.

But it is great eye candy :wink: fingers crossed. I’m loving this cold weather !!!
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Re: Texas Fall 2019

#1151 Postby Cpv17 » Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:40 pm

Brent wrote:Record cold on the 12z GFS :froze: :cold: next Sunday is near 70 Monday is in the 30s and falling :lol:

https://i.ibb.co/CQmHxSq/gfs-T2m-scus-41.png https://i.ibb.co/sHZ5y40/gfs-T2ma-scus-41.png


Holy macaroni a 1055 mb high in Montana!
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Re: Texas Fall 2019

#1152 Postby Cpv17 » Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:50 pm

gpsnowman wrote:
Brent wrote:Record cold on the 12z GFS :froze: :cold: next Sunday is near 70 Monday is in the 30s and falling :lol:

https://i.ibb.co/CQmHxSq/gfs-T2m-scus-41.png https://i.ibb.co/sHZ5y40/gfs-T2ma-scus-41.png

Goodness gracious. Let's see what the Euro says. That would be impressive if true. Still a week+ out.


Euro says nope lol
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Re: Texas Fall 2019

#1153 Postby hamburgerman7070 » Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:46 pm

The 12zgfs was definitely a bad run. The gefs has a cold blast but definitely not as intense in that timeframe. Fun to look at i guess
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Re: Texas Fall 2019

#1154 Postby CaptinCrunch » Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:19 pm

The GFS wishcast so much it's hard to ever buy in to it. It tends to over do the cold air mass, and precipitation type. The only time I put faith in the GFS is when the EURO has its back.
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Re: Texas Fall 2019

#1155 Postby gatorcane » Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:38 pm

The 18Z GFS is doubling down on what would be an epic cold snap for most of the Central and Eastern US including Texas, Florida and all of the Deep South.
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Re: Texas Fall 2019

#1156 Postby hamburgerman7070 » Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:24 pm

gatorcane wrote:The 18Z GFS is doubling down on what would be an epic cold snap for most of the Central and Eastern US including Texas, Florida and all of the Deep South.

Follow the ensembles. They dont match up and euro aint on board.
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Re: Texas Fall 2019

#1157 Postby TheProfessor » Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:16 pm

The GFS might be an extreme, but there are definitely hints of some colder air diving south in around the 12th or so. Ensemble members are great tools, but they shouldn't be taken verbatim(plus has the GEFS officially moved to the new version?) Anyways both the GEFS and EPS have troughs over the eastern U.S so there are signs for a cool down. The set up really is pretty interesting though, when you look at the teleconnections you have a positive NAO, which usually means the east coast is going to be on the warm side. However, the NAO has some things working against it. Right now the forecast is for the EPO to stay negative, the PNA to go very positive, and the AO to go negative, all those teleconnections favor cold filtering into the U.S. The positive PNA typically favors cold spilling eastward, but I do wonder if the positive NAO will help prevent that. I'm wondering if we could actually get a super interesting setup and end up with possibly a big East Coast or Midwest winter storm. The GFS does develop a subtropical ridge this up coming week, but quickly weakens it. If the GFS is weakening that ridge too quickly and you get a deep trough to dig in response to ridging in Canada and Alaska(due to the +PNA and -EPO) and you now have a boundary for a storm to form on. There are definitely some interesting factors at play here and any change to them could have drastic changes to the weather that the U.S sees.
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Re: Texas Fall 2019

#1158 Postby Ntxw » Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:59 pm

Just before Halloween I made a post indicating that the guidance were hinting at potential very cold air mass to come in early November. Sea of Okhotsk/Kamchatka low will dive the EPO and load cold air over North America. Placement/movement of that cold air is the question that right now is too far out to discern aside from a model run here and there. The over the top ridging in Alaska and Northwest Canada will seed anomalous cold to be spilled. I would give it a little more time to then disciple what happens thereafter but do expect some kind of cold air to move south the second week of November.
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Re: Texas Fall 2019

#1159 Postby hamburgerman7070 » Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:27 pm

Ntxw wrote:Just before Halloween I made a post indicating that the guidance were hinting at potential very cold air mass to come in early November. Sea of Okhotsk/Kamchatka low will dive the EPO and load cold air over North America. Placement/movement of that cold air is the question that right now is too far out to discern aside from a model run here and there. The over the top ridging in Alaska and Northwest Canada will seed anomalous cold to be spilled. I would give it a little more time to then disciple what happens thereafter but do expect some kind of cold air to move south the second week of November.

Ntxw, Anthony Masiello mentioned about the sea of okhotsk low has returned and isnt going to go anywhere soon on Twitter today. I just dont want to waste the cold air so early and save some for winter here lol.
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Re: Texas Fall 2019

#1160 Postby northjaxpro » Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:22 pm

TheProfessor wrote:The GFS might be an extreme, but there are definitely hints of some colder air diving south in around the 12th or so. Ensemble members are great tools, but they shouldn't be taken verbatim(plus has the GEFS officially moved to the new version?) Anyways both the GEFS and EPS have troughs over the eastern U.S so there are signs for a cool down. The set up really is pretty interesting though, when you look at the teleconnections you have a positive NAO, which usually means the east coast is going to be on the warm side. However, the NAO has some things working against it. Right now the forecast is for the EPO to stay negative, the PNA to go very positive, and the AO to go negative, all those teleconnections favor cold filtering into the U.S. The positive PNA typically favors cold spilling eastward, but I do wonder if the positive NAO will help prevent that. I'm wondering if we could actually get a super interesting setup and end up with possibly a big East Coast or Midwest winter storm. The GFS does develop a subtropical ridge this up coming week, but quickly weakens it. If the GFS is weakening that ridge too quickly and you get a deep trough to dig in response to ridging in Canada and Alaska(due to the +PNA and -EPO) and you now have a boundary for a storm to form on. There are definitely some interesting factors at play here and any change to them could have drastic changes to the weather that the U.S sees.


Excellent post and observations. I wanted to follow up with what you were mentioning regarding the forecast of +PNA -EPO and +NAO by the middle of this month.

We had a situation.in.late December 2017.going into the first week of January 2018 in which we had the similar teleconnections set up which bought very cold temps and freezes to North Florida. Interesting thing to note was that the GFS, at that time , was very adament.on bringing that cold arctic air mass into the Deep South, similar to what today's GFS runs are showing to happen by mid month.

The GFS happened to be correct in not only with the arctic air coming south, but it also was correct.in forecasting a winter storm which occured across Southeast Georgia and into South Carolina in Jan 3-4 2018. The EURO initially missed the magnitude of the cold outbreak in the long range forecast (at least 10 days out) at that time.

So, a couple of things to point out here. The GFS indeed could be on to something here and it gave proof that a -EPO and + PNA can deliver cold arctic air into the Deep South despite a +NAO. It is something to really closely watch in the next few days. The situation that occured in the Deep South back in early January 2018 was handled very well by the GFS and I trusted the GFS that it was right back then with my forecasts, compared to the EURO and the GFS nailed it. So, the GFS has great merit with this situation and I am not saying it will happen exactly like this in 0a couple of weeks. However, all I am stating here is for folks in general to not scoff at what today"s Operational GFS is potentially indicating down the road.
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