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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1261 Postby bubba hotep » Fri Nov 10, 2023 6:15 pm

It's my favorite time of year, Fantasy Snow Maps Season!

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Just for fun we will throw in some freezing rain maps!

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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1262 Postby aggiecutter » Fri Nov 10, 2023 6:53 pm

Pretty incredible. While much of Texas has been in a severe drought over the past year, Texarkana will probably finish the year close to a foot above normal for rainfall. BTW, ominous signs in the long range as it pertains to El Nino enhanced severe weather.

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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1263 Postby Iceresistance » Fri Nov 10, 2023 7:25 pm

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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1264 Postby Brent » Fri Nov 10, 2023 7:51 pm

I'm officially intrigued in the Thanksgiving weekend timeframe here. That is not the first GFS run that has at least tried to show something
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1265 Postby Ntxw » Fri Nov 10, 2023 8:19 pm

Brent wrote:I'm officially intrigued in the Thanksgiving weekend timeframe here. That is not the first GFS run that has at least tried to show something


While we cannot say there is going to be a winter storm this early, what the ensembles have continued to trend is that a period of Pacific pattern shift should occur after 20th. This has been shown for awhile now. GOA and Alaskan ridge typically is a telling sign that colder air is likely to build and move. SW/W trough will allow it to bleed west and the interior of the continent via surface high pressures. In an El Nino year you tend to give benefit that the STJ is going to fuel a strong system, whatever system that tries to emerge.

For now we just continue to monitor if the ensembles keeps that trend and what quality of cold air, if any, is involved.

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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1266 Postby Ntxw » Fri Nov 10, 2023 8:29 pm

2009 and 1963 December is in that time frame centered, albeit those years were later. Both those historical time periods featured winter storms and cold.

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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1267 Postby Brent » Fri Nov 10, 2023 8:34 pm

Ntxw wrote:
Brent wrote:I'm officially intrigued in the Thanksgiving weekend timeframe here. That is not the first GFS run that has at least tried to show something


While we cannot say there is going to be a winter storm this early, what the ensembles have continued to trend is that a period of Pacific pattern shift should occur after 20th. This has been shown for awhile now. GOA and Alaskan ridge typically is a telling sign that colder air is likely to build and move. SW/W trough will allow it to bleed west and the interior of the continent via surface high pressures. In an El Nino year you tend to give benefit that the STJ is going to fuel a strong system, whatever system that tries to emerge.

For now we just continue to monitor if the ensembles keeps that trend and what quality of cold air, if any, is involved.

https://i.imgur.com/Dar7VSn.gif


Right I'm not saying anything will happen but this is the first possible setup of the season I think if it lines up right. I've heard the teleconnections may actually be favorable
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1268 Postby jasons2k » Fri Nov 10, 2023 9:02 pm

aggiecutter wrote:Pretty incredible. While much of Texas has been in a severe drought over the past year, Texarkana will probably finish the year close to a foot above normal for rainfall. BTW, ominous signs in the long range as it pertains to El Nino enhanced severe weather.

[url]https://i.ibb.co/vmxMWF3/Rain.jpg [/url]


That is pretty crazy considering the distance from drought-stricken areas like SE Texas.

This drought was short, but extremely intense with the heat.
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1269 Postby mmmmsnouts » Fri Nov 10, 2023 9:24 pm

As much as Texas needs rain, Louisiana really needs rain. Something like 3/4 of the state currently in D4 drought which seems like it would be nearly impossible.
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1270 Postby Brent » Fri Nov 10, 2023 11:42 pm

Cosgrove mentioned 09-10 what can possibly go wrong :spam:
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1271 Postby Gotwood » Sat Nov 11, 2023 12:16 am

Brent wrote:Cosgrove mentioned 09-10 what can possibly go wrong :spam:

I unfortunately missed the historic snow in DFW in 2010. Would love to see something like that in person.
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1272 Postby Brent » Sat Nov 11, 2023 12:22 am

Gotwood wrote:
Brent wrote:Cosgrove mentioned 09-10 what can possibly go wrong :spam:

I unfortunately missed the historic snow in DFW in 2010. Would love to see something like that in person.


Haha we had 22 inches of snow that winter. I can't even imagine...
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1273 Postby rwfromkansas » Sat Nov 11, 2023 10:44 am

Well, I learned today that the earliest sunset is not on the solstice. I’m 40. Yikes.

https://www.weather.gov/ilx/earliest-sunset
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1274 Postby cstrunk » Sat Nov 11, 2023 10:48 am

aggiecutter wrote:Pretty incredible. While much of Texas has been in a severe drought over the past year, Texarkana will probably finish the year close to a foot above normal for rainfall. BTW, ominous signs in the long range as it pertains to El Nino enhanced severe weather.

[url]https://i.ibb.co/vmxMWF3/Rain.jpg [/url]


They are always cashing in!
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1275 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Nov 11, 2023 12:05 pm

Fantasy range, but cold shot still possible by the End of November?

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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1276 Postby Stratton23 » Sat Nov 11, 2023 12:33 pm

I think a big cold snap after thanksgiving is possible, we just need to see if we get any blocking over Alaska showing up in the models, although thats just one piece of the puzzle
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1277 Postby tajmahal » Sat Nov 11, 2023 1:56 pm

A strong Arctic outbreak is a low probability for the Austin area and sourh Texas through at least December. The stratospheric polar vortex is forecast to strengthen, and atmospheric blocking in the high latitudes should be absent. That combination keeps the frigid air bottled up in the Arctic.

https://www.aer.com/science-research/climate-weather/arctic-oscillation/
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1278 Postby Cpv17 » Sat Nov 11, 2023 2:05 pm

tajmahal wrote:A strong Arctic outbreak is a low probability for the Austin area and sourh Texas through at least December. The stratospheric polar vortex is forecast to strengthen, and atmospheric blocking in the high latitudes should be absent. That combination keeps the frigid air bottled up in the Arctic.

https://www.aer.com/science-research/climate-weather/arctic-oscillation/


Yeah, oookay. We will see about that.
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1279 Postby Stratton23 » Sat Nov 11, 2023 2:17 pm

Im not buying the PV strengthening, ive heard that story too many times and it ends up stretching or splitting/ weakening, model guidance is already starting to show hints at blocking over alaska setting up aeound or just after thanksgiving , and even the euro is starting to show a bit of a build up of cold air in NW canada like the end of the GFS run,
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Re: Texas Fall 2023

#1280 Postby tajmahal » Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:05 pm

Stratton23 wrote:Im not buying the PV strengthening, ive heard that story too many times and it ends up stretching or splitting/ weakening, model guidance is already starting to show hints at blocking over alaska setting up aeound or just after thanksgiving , and even the euro is starting to show a bit of a build up of cold air in NW canada like the end of the GFS run,


I recommend reading the link I posted. The author is a well–respected atmospheric scientist who publishes frequently about the stratospheric polar vortex in our most prestigious science journals.
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