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#161 Postby dhweather » Tue Apr 01, 2014 3:30 pm

Ntxw wrote:I'm not sold yet on severe weather outbreak this week. CIN (better known as the cap) seems a little strong for numerous initiation. Arklatex vicinity looks better and definitely Louisiana and Arkansas. The bigger story will be later in the week with a slow moving rainmaker. 1-3 inches of rain is possible for Northern, Central, SE Texas. Don't think it will be a big severe weather maker either, associated with low heights and anomalous cooler air. Of course in time for final four weekend at Jerryworld.


I too have serious doubts about a major severe weather outbreak. The low will be moving NE away from us, so we're basically counting almost solely on the dryline to initiate thunderstorms. And yes, our dear friend the cap will take more than a dryline to get rid of it.
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#162 Postby dhweather » Tue Apr 01, 2014 3:42 pm

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MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0241
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0334 PM CDT TUE APR 01 2014

AREAS AFFECTED...WESTERN NORTH TX/SOUTHERN OK

CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH POSSIBLE

VALID 012034Z - 012230Z

PROBABILITY OF WATCH ISSUANCE...60 PERCENT

SUMMARY...MONITORING FOR TSTM DEVELOPMENT AND ASSOCIATED INCREASING
SEVERE TSTM POTENTIAL THROUGH LATE AFTERNOON/EARLY EVENING ACROSS
THE WESTERN PARTS OF NORTH TX INTO SOUTHERN OK. INCREASING SIGNS OF
DEEP CONVECTIVE DEVELOPMENT COULD PROMPT A WATCH ISSUANCE.

DISCUSSION...TIED TO A SURFACE LOW ACROSS SOUTHWEST TX/TX SOUTH
PLAINS...A FRONTAL BOUNDARY LAYER ANGLES SOUTHWEST-NORTHEASTWARD
ACROSS THE LOW ROLLING PLAINS AND WESTERN PART OF NORTH TX INTO
SOUTHERN/EAST-CENTRAL OK. NEAR THE BOUNDARY...SOME DEEPENING OF THE
CU FIELD HAS BEEN NOTED IN VISIBLE SATELLITE IMAGERY IN THE GENERAL
VICINITY OF THE RED RIVER...AND PERHAPS AS FAR SOUTHWEST AS THE
ABILENE/SAN ANGELO AREAS UNDER OVERSPREADING CIRRUS...AS OF
MID-AFTERNOON.

WHILE OVERALL CONVERGENCE/FORCING FOR ASCENT IS MODEST...THE
BOUNDARY LAYER CONTINUES TO STEADILY DESTABILIZE...WITH INCREASINGLY
NEGLIGIBLE CINH ESPECIALLY WHERE SURFACE TEMPERATURES HAVE EXCEEDED
APPROX 83F. WHILE THE LIKELIHOOD/EXTENT OF DEEP CONVECTIVE
DEVELOPMENT REMAINS UNCERTAIN EVEN IN THE SHORT-TERM...INCREASING
CONFIDENCE/IMMINENT SIGNS OF SUCH DEVELOPMENT WOULD LIKELY PROMPT A
WATCH ISSUANCE. GIVEN MODEST INSTABILITY...WINDS
VEERING/STRENGTHENING WITH HEIGHT AND 40+ KT OF EFFECTIVE SHEAR
WOULD SUPPORT THE POTENTIAL FOR SUPERCELLS CAPABLE OF MAINLY LARGE
HAIL.

..GUYER/HART.. 04/01/2014
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#163 Postby TarrantWx » Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:04 pm

An isolated storm just formed north of Abilene around Haskell. Looks to be intensifying quickly, expect a warning on it soon. Echo tops already up to 46K according to GR3. Looks to be some mid-level rotation also. Expect this to take on supercellular characteristics pretty quickly. Watch for it to split a little later. HRRR was indicating this very storm most of the day forming in this area and splitting. HRRR showed the right-mover moving due east just south of the river. Hope someone is out there getting pictures of this thing. It's in an ideal chasing area. Should be a fun evening of radar watching.

Edit: Svr Tstm warning issued for Haskell & Throckmorton
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#164 Postby TarrantWx » Tue Apr 01, 2014 7:37 pm

Tornado warning for Throckmorton county. Really nice hook developing on the supercell in southern Throckmorton. It's also right-moving and has turned east. HRRR looks to have done an amazing job with this one
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#165 Postby South Texas Storms » Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:01 pm

Ntxw, do you still think heavier rain will return towards the end of this month? The CFSv2 is indicating that a large part of April will be wet. I really hope so.
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#166 Postby Ntxw » Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:07 pm

South Texas Storms wrote:Ntxw, do you still think heavier rain will return towards the end of this month? The CFSv2 is indicating that a large part of April will be wet. I really hope so.


Sorry I missed the question earlier, yes! Stated last month I believed the second half of April will arise a new pattern regime of wet for us for a long time ENSO related. CFSv2 and other agencies are coming to a consensus that El Nino conditions (essentially El Nino) will be in place by May. We will probably see the El Nino watch upgraded to El Nino warning sometime in one of the May or June updates IMO, no later than July. 2009 saw the warning come in July and that was much weaker and slower warming than now. The new MJO (WWB) is going to be the catalyst to click it all going.
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#167 Postby South Texas Storms » Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:19 pm

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South Texas Storms wrote:Ntxw, do you still think heavier rain will return towards the end of this month? The CFSv2 is indicating that a large part of April will be wet. I really hope so.


Sorry I missed the question earlier, yes! Stated last month I believed the second half of April will arise a new pattern regime of wet for us for a long time ENSO related. CFSv2 and other agencies are coming to a consensus that El Nino conditions (essentially El Nino) will be in place by May. We will probably see the El Nino watch upgraded to El Nino warning sometime in one of the May or June updates IMO, no later than July. 2009 saw the warning come in July and that was much weaker and slower warming than now. The new MJO (WWB) is going to be the catalyst to click it all going.


Thanks for answering! Yeah I remember you saying last month that a wet weather pattern would begin in the second half of April and now the models are starting to agree with you. Will the possible developing tropical cyclone currently in the WPAC help to cause the WWB in the ENSO regions or will this happen a little later this month?
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#168 Postby Ntxw » Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:27 pm

South Texas Storms wrote:Thanks for answering! Yeah I remember you saying last month that a wet weather pattern would begin in the second half of April and now the models are starting to agree with you. Will the possible developing tropical cyclone currently in the WPAC help to cause the WWB in the ENSO regions or will this happen a little later this month?


It's one of those chicken or egg things. Is the WWB causing the typhoon or the typhoon creating WWB? Probably both, feedback regardless of which did what each one enhances the other. I think there could be more than just one typhoon as the MJO progresses east eventually to the CPAC as well. It's good correlation for NA that when there is a typhoon, weather happens down the road.
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#169 Postby TheProfessor » Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:48 pm

Could a thunderstorm erode a cap? If so could this storm out cause trouble to DFW tomorrow if it makes it to the metroplex tonight?
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#170 Postby TarrantWx » Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:59 pm

TheProfessor wrote:Could a thunderstorm erode a cap? If so could this storm out cause trouble to DFW tomorrow if it makes it to the metroplex tonight?


I don't think this storm will have any effect on the cap for tomorrow. The thing to keep an eye on regarding the strength of the cap tomorrow is the amount of sunshine. The more warming, the weaker the cap. The thing to watch out for as a result of this particular storm, if anything, would be the potential for leftover outflow boundaries tomorrow. You would likely be able to detect these on visible satellite in the morning and possibly on radar if they're distinct enough. An outflow boundary can act like a front in the mesoscale environment, so if a storm develops and rides an outflow boundary it will have locally higher helicity to work with possibly enhancing the tornado threat. By no means am I saying that this will happen, just merely explaining what could happen it one is leftover tomorrow
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#171 Postby TheProfessor » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:05 pm

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TheProfessor wrote:Could a thunderstorm erode a cap? If so could this storm out cause trouble to DFW tomorrow if it makes it to the metroplex tonight?


I don't think this storm will have any effect on the cap for tomorrow. The thing to keep an eye on regarding the strength of the cap tomorrow is the amount of sunshine. The more warming, the weaker the cap. The thing to watch out for as a result of this particular storm, if anything, would be the potential for leftover outflow boundaries tomorrow. You would likely be able to detect these on visible satellite in the morning and possibly on radar if they're distinct enough. An outflow boundary can act like a front in the mesoscale environment, so if a storm develops and rides an outflow boundary it will have locally higher helicity to work with possibly enhancing the tornado threat. By no means am I saying that this will happen, just merely explaining what could happen it one is leftover tomorrow


Yeah I read a report that it was an outflow boundary that helped intensify the 1997 Central Texas mini outbreak, which is well known because of the Jarrell Texas F-5 Tornado.
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#172 Postby TheProfessor » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:07 pm

By the way that storm is now dropping Tennis Ball size hail! :eek: I would not want to drive through the core of that storm.
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#173 Postby TarrantWx » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:18 pm

Earlier, HRRR indicated that this storm would dissipate well before it got to the metroplex, but this thing doesn't seem to be in a big hurry to weaken. I'm starting to wonder if it might make it into the northern DFW metro before dissipating. Even if it did get here, it wouldn't be at the same intensity level it is now, but it would be a nice little surprise.
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#174 Postby Ntxw » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:42 pm

TheProfessor wrote:Yeah I read a report that it was an outflow boundary that helped intensify the 1997 Central Texas mini outbreak, which is well known because of the Jarrell Texas F-5 Tornado.


It was, very unusual the storm was moving southwest unlike just about every thunderstorm you know. It moved, and fed along the boundary that was in place.

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Cool loop of that infamous cell
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#175 Postby TheProfessor » Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:46 am

:uarrow: IT might have been a good thing that it moved that direction. If it had moved northeast it could have hit a more populated area like Waco or the southern outskirts of Dallas.
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#176 Postby Rgv20 » Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:08 am

I come back from Denton to temps like this.....Summer! :sun:

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#177 Postby dhweather » Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:53 am

TheProfessor wrote:Could a thunderstorm erode a cap? If so could this storm out cause trouble to DFW tomorrow if it makes it to the metroplex tonight?



Usually a thunderstorm, if it's really lucky, can punch through the cap and maintain itself. It's relatively small scale and doesn't really impact the overall cap. Thus when you see in AFD's "large scale forcing...." that's when something coming along is significant enough to erode the cap.
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#178 Postby South Texas Storms » Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:29 am

What a surprise...the 12z GFS shows all of the 1+ inch rain totals falling just north and east of the TX border with this weekend's system. It's amazing how all of the heavy rain throughout the past several months seems to develop just outside of our state. This weather pattern sucks. Please bring us some rain El Nino!
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#179 Postby dhweather » Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:58 am

South Texas Storms wrote:What a surprise...the 12z GFS shows all of the 1+ inch rain totals falling just north and east of the TX border with this weekend's system. It's amazing how all of the heavy rain throughout the past several months seems to develop just outside of our state. This weather pattern sucks. Please bring us some rain El Nino!


Shock and awe. :roll:

It's been that way forever. Red river counties and north, TX/LA border counties and east.
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#180 Postby TheProfessor » Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:51 pm

It looks like the RAP, GFS, and the Nam all have the cap weakening in the late afternoon. How accurate are these models when forecasting the strength of a cap?
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