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#21 Postby weatherdude1108 » Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:13 pm

Ntxw wrote:Lots of blocking going on our side of the world in the higher latitudes. And given that it's June rich moisture is not very far off in the southern gulf. +PNA, -AO, and very -NAO spells a wet Texas.


Ok, I gotta remember, +PNA, -AO, and very -NAO is GOOD for Texas if you want/need rain, right?

Love it! :D

I'm ready. :lightning: :rain:
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#22 Postby weather_novice » Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:11 am

San Antonio has seen a relatively average summer so far when compared with 2011. Our hottest day has been 96 degrees--at this time last year we already had seen 14 days at or above 96degF with more than a few being over 100. Now that ENSO has neutral conditions and with the possibility of El Nino, this summer should be quite nice.
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#23 Postby Portastorm » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:55 am

weather_novice wrote:San Antonio has seen a relatively average summer so far when compared with 2011. Our hottest day has been 96 degrees--at this time last year we already had seen 14 days at or above 96degF with more than a few being over 100. Now that ENSO has neutral conditions and with the possibility of El Nino, this summer should be quite nice.


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Re: Texas Summer 2012

#24 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:10 pm

A snippet from FW this morning. I love it when they bring up a summer pattern from 07 :D



HAVE CONTINUED THE LOW PRECIP CHANCES FOR MONDAY NIGHT IN THE
NORTH AS THE STORM TRACK CONTINUES TO MOVE ACROSS OKLAHOMA. BY
TUESDAY NIGHT...CONDITIONS ACROSS NORTH TEXAS BEGIN TO CHANGE AND
POPS WILL INCREASE AS WELL. THIS EARLY...WILL BROAD BRUSH THE
POPS DURING THE WEEK BECAUSE THE SYSTEM THAT WILL EVOLVE IS
COMPLEX AND LIKELY NOT RESOLVED WELL BY THE GUIDANCE JUST YET.

A TROPICAL UPPER LOW (TUTT) IS CURRENTLY CENTERED SOUTHWEST OF
DEL RIO IN NORTHEASTERN MEXICO. GUIDANCE DRIFTS THIS LOW NORTH
MONDAY AND TUESDAY...IT PUSHES UP UNDER THE SUBTROPICAL RIDGE TO
LIE NEAR VERNON BY WEDNESDAY MORNING. IN RESPONSE TO THIS UPPER
LOW A DEEP LAYER OF MOISTURE FROM THE GULF OF MEXICO WILL RESIDE
OVER TEXAS. PWATS INCREASE TO ABOVE 1.75 INCHES MID WEEK. THAT IS
OVER TWO STANDARD DEVIATIONS ABOVE NORMAL FOR EARLY JUNE AND
SIGNIFIES A POTENTIAL FOR HEAVY RAIN.

IN THE PAST...WE HAVE HAD EPISODES OF HEAVY RAIN WHEN THESE
CONDITIONS OCCUR. FOR EXAMPLE...18 JUNE 2007 FOSSIL CREEK FLOODED
IN HALTOM CITY...AND PECAN CREEK FLOODED IN GAINESVILLE. THE
FLOODING RESULTED IN FOUR DEATHS AND OVER 30 MILLION IN DAMAGE.
WE CANNOT FORECAST THAT THIS EVENT WILL BE THAT BAD NOR PIN DOWN
AN EXACT LOCATION...WE CAN SAY THAT CONDITIONS MAY BE SIMILAR AND
THE POTENTIAL IS THERE. THE HEAVY RAIN POTENTIAL WILL LAST
TUESDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND INTO FRIDAY AS WELL.

BY FRIDAY A BACK DOOR COLD FRONT PUSHES INTO NORTH TEXAS FROM THE
EAST...CUTTING OFF THE MOIST FLOW FROM THE GULF AND RESULTING IN
DECREASING PRECIP CHANCES. THE UPPER LOW DOES NOT MOVE EAST OF
OUR AREA UNTIL SATURDAY EVENING...SO LOW PRECIP CHANCES WILL
CONTINUE THROUGH SATURDAY MORNING DUE TO INSTABILITY ASSOCIATED
WITH THE UPPER LOW.
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#25 Postby Portastorm » Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:55 pm

Another shining example of the talent at NWSFO Fort Worth. I wish we had more of these kinds of forecast discussions from other offices. Y'all in North Texas ... consider yourselves fortunate!
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#26 Postby Portastorm » Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:10 pm

The Grey Goose-swilling mets at the Portastorm Weather Center highly (no pun intended) endorse this afternoon's forecast discussion out of the NWSFO Austin/San Antonio:

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AUSTIN/SAN ANTONIO TX
303 PM CDT MON JUN 4 2012

.DISCUSSION...
12Z MODEL RUNS LOOKING DECISIVELY WETTER FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE
WEEK
. APPEARS THE UPPER LOW/WEAKNESS OVER NE MEXICO WILL LIFT SLOWLY
ENEWD TONIGHT AND TUESDAY AND BRING ISOLATED TO SLIGHT CHANCES FOR
CONVECTION ALONG THE RIO GRANDE THIS EVENING...AND ACROSS MUCH OF
THE CWA TUESDAY AFTERNOON INTO TUESDAY EVENING. MEANWHILE MODELS
ARE FAIRLY CONSISTENT IN DEVELOPING AN UPPER LOW(POSSIBLY FROM AN
MCV) OVER NW TX...AND DROPPING THE LOW SLOWLY SWD INTO S CENTRAL
TX BY THE LATE WEEK. AN ASSOCIATED WEAK SURFACE BOUNDARY WILL
ACCOMPANY THE LOW WITH A BRIEF E-NELY WIND SHIFT BY THU AFTERNOON.
THIS SLOW MOVING UPPER LOW WILL GENERATE SCATTERED AFTERNOON/EVENING
CONVECTION WITH LOCALLY HEAVY DOWNPOURS WED THRU AT LEAST FRI OR
EVEN SAT
. COOLER AFTERNOON TEMPERATURES AS WELL AND WITH TEMPS
LIKELY NOT CLIMBING OUT OF THE 80S ALL BUT THE WEST AND SW.

WITH THE UPPER LOW CENTERED IN THE NRN/NERN CWA BY THU EVENING...COULD
SEE NOCTURNAL CONVECTION DEVELOP NEAR/UNDER THE UPPER LOW/FRONTAL
BOUNDARY IN THE OVERNIGHT HOURS. THERE WILL BE A POTENTIAL FOR
HEAVY RAINFALL WITH THIS PATTERN AND MODELS ALREADY BEGINNING TO
GENERATE SOME SIGNIFICANT RAINFALL AMOUNTS
. WILL UPDATE THE HWO TO
REFLECT POTENTIAL FOR HEAVY QPF POTENTIAL FOR THE THU NIGHT INTO
FRIDAY NIGHT. THE UPPER LOW DRIFTS EASTWARD LATE SATURDAY INTO
SUNDAY WITH A RIDGE BUILDING IN FROM THE WEST. THEREFORE DECREASING
POPS FROM THE WEST SUNDAY WITH WARMER TEMPS RETURNING.
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#27 Postby weatherdude1108 » Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:33 pm

Portastorm wrote:The Grey Goose-swilling mets at the Portastorm Weather Center highly (no pun intended) endorse this afternoon's forecast discussion out of the NWSFO Austin/San Antonio:

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AUSTIN/SAN ANTONIO TX
303 PM CDT MON JUN 4 2012

.DISCUSSION...
12Z MODEL RUNS LOOKING DECISIVELY WETTER FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE
WEEK
. APPEARS THE UPPER LOW/WEAKNESS OVER NE MEXICO WILL LIFT SLOWLY
ENEWD TONIGHT AND TUESDAY AND BRING ISOLATED TO SLIGHT CHANCES FOR
CONVECTION ALONG THE RIO GRANDE THIS EVENING...AND ACROSS MUCH OF
THE CWA TUESDAY AFTERNOON INTO TUESDAY EVENING. MEANWHILE MODELS
ARE FAIRLY CONSISTENT IN DEVELOPING AN UPPER LOW(POSSIBLY FROM AN
MCV) OVER NW TX...AND DROPPING THE LOW SLOWLY SWD INTO S CENTRAL
TX BY THE LATE WEEK. AN ASSOCIATED WEAK SURFACE BOUNDARY WILL
ACCOMPANY THE LOW WITH A BRIEF E-NELY WIND SHIFT BY THU AFTERNOON.
THIS SLOW MOVING UPPER LOW WILL GENERATE SCATTERED AFTERNOON/EVENING
CONVECTION WITH LOCALLY HEAVY DOWNPOURS WED THRU AT LEAST FRI OR
EVEN SAT
. COOLER AFTERNOON TEMPERATURES AS WELL AND WITH TEMPS
LIKELY NOT CLIMBING OUT OF THE 80S ALL BUT THE WEST AND SW.

WITH THE UPPER LOW CENTERED IN THE NRN/NERN CWA BY THU EVENING...COULD
SEE NOCTURNAL CONVECTION DEVELOP NEAR/UNDER THE UPPER LOW/FRONTAL
BOUNDARY IN THE OVERNIGHT HOURS. THERE WILL BE A POTENTIAL FOR
HEAVY RAINFALL WITH THIS PATTERN AND MODELS ALREADY BEGINNING TO
GENERATE SOME SIGNIFICANT RAINFALL AMOUNTS
. WILL UPDATE THE HWO TO
REFLECT POTENTIAL FOR HEAVY QPF POTENTIAL FOR THE THU NIGHT INTO
FRIDAY NIGHT. THE UPPER LOW DRIFTS EASTWARD LATE SATURDAY INTO
SUNDAY WITH A RIDGE BUILDING IN FROM THE WEST. THEREFORE DECREASING
POPS FROM THE WEST SUNDAY WITH WARMER TEMPS RETURNING.


I was going to post this, but you beat me to the punch Portastorm! I'm loving the change of wording from just this morning! :)
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#28 Postby Nikki » Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:49 pm

I am loving the weather discussions -the flooding of course!! Rain!! YES please! Cooler temps OH YES YES please!! I am keeping my fingers and toes crossed that we all in Texas see rain and cooler temps!!!! :D
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#29 Postby aggiecutter » Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:34 pm

Looks like much of the state is going to see beneficial rainfall. However, once again, the NE tip
of the state looks, well, mostly dry. Looks like that Austin Omega Block has taken up permanent residents over the Northeastern tip of the state.
http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/qpf/p120i00.gif
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#30 Postby weatherdude1108 » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:32 pm

Yeah, we need an omega break!

Bob Rose has the most promising blog I've seen in a while.  Deep tropical moisture from the Bay of Campeche headed over Texas.

http://www.lcra.org/water/conditions/we ... olumn.html
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#31 Postby weatherdude1108 » Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:53 pm

Does anyone know (or where I can find) Austin Mabry's long-term rainfall deficit since October 2010?

The local weather guys haven't mentioned it in a while. They pretty much stopped talking about it as soon as we were in good (better) shape agriculturally. We are in a hydrological deficit compared to last year at this time (lower lake levels than last year). However, inflows into the lakes are higher than last year so far. I know there is a lag time between when lakes start being affected by drought and when they recover to normal pool elevations.
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#32 Postby aggiecutter » Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:35 am

Was it as warm this spring as it seemed. Well, yes. Longview, Texarkana, Lufkin, and Shreveport Louisiana all recorded all-time record warm springs(March-May).
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#33 Postby Ntxw » Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:21 am

Global models are suggesting a period of torrential rainfall that's nearly stationary underneath the low core. This will be true especially overnight. Somebody may get some serious flooding. Thus far track of the low suggests somewhere starting in NW Texas near the falls southeastward. Not a large system but get underneath it and 4-6+ inches of rain in a relatively short period of time is not out of the question.
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#34 Postby Portastorm » Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:34 am

aggiecutter wrote:Was it as warm this spring as it seemed. Well, yes. Longview, Texarkana, Lufkin, and Shreveport Louisiana all recorded all-time record warm springs(March-May).


I'm sorry about that Omega Block, aggiecutter. I'll do what I can to loosen its grip on northeast Texas! :wink:
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#35 Postby Portastorm » Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:43 am

weatherdude1108 wrote:Does anyone know (or where I can find) Austin Mabry's long-term rainfall deficit since October 2010?

The local weather guys haven't mentioned it in a while. They pretty much stopped talking about it as soon as we were in good (better) shape agriculturally. We are in a hydrological deficit compared to last year at this time (lower lake levels than last year). However, inflows into the lakes are higher than last year so far. I know there is a lag time between when lakes start being affected by drought and when they recover to normal pool elevations.


The link below is the climatological link on the EWX website. The archived monthly summaries go back to the summer of 2011.

http://www.nws.noaa.gov/climate/index.php?wfo=ewx
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#36 Postby Texas Snowman » Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:58 pm

Ntxw wrote:Global models are suggesting a period of torrential rainfall that's nearly stationary underneath the low core. This will be true especially overnight. Somebody may get some serious flooding. Thus far track of the low suggests somewhere starting in NW Texas near the falls southeastward. Not a large system but get underneath it and 4-6+ inches of rain in a relatively short period of time is not out of the question.


That would bring back memories of June and early July 2007 when the Texoma area and points westward got torrential rains. There was even a flash flooding death in Sherman that summer on a morning where storms continually trained over the city and dumped right at seven inches of rainfall.

So much rain fell over a three to four week period that Lake Texoma went over its spillway for only the third time in its history (it was impounded in 1944; normal elevation is 618 feet above sea level, spillway level is 640 feet). The other two previous times that the spillway was breeched were during the spring's wet season, so that 2007 summer event was really unprecedented.
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#37 Postby weatherdude1108 » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:30 pm

Texas Snowman wrote:
Ntxw wrote:Global models are suggesting a period of torrential rainfall that's nearly stationary underneath the low core. This will be true especially overnight. Somebody may get some serious flooding. Thus far track of the low suggests somewhere starting in NW Texas near the falls southeastward. Not a large system but get underneath it and 4-6+ inches of rain in a relatively short period of time is not out of the question.


That would bring back memories of June and early July 2007 when the Texoma area and points westward got torrential rains. There was even a flash flooding death in Sherman that summer on a morning where storms continually trained over the city and dumped right at seven inches of rainfall.

So much rain fell over a three to four week period that Lake Texoma went over its spillway for only the third time in its history (it was impounded in 1944; normal elevation is 618 feet above sea level, spillway level is 640 feet). The other two previous times that the spillway was breeched were during the spring's wet season, so that 2007 summer event was really unprecedented.


Yeah, I remember that year. We had been dry, but a random low pressure system (around this time in June 2007), came out of Oklahoma and stirred up the atmosphere. It was wet the entire Summer and lakes Travis and Buchanan were both full. Travis rose several feet over its flood elevation and they had to open several flood gates. A lot of 4th of July activities were cancelled and camp sites on the lake were flooded, along with many homes. Except for homes getting flooded, that was a nice Summer temperature-wise! Don't think it got to 100 the entire Summer. I literally had to time yard work around the rain! :rain:
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#38 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:09 am

NAM is performing poorly. Euro has done well with initiation with a lot happening in Oklahoma. As the low progresses east/se the heaviest precip axis will be along the Red River valley bounded by I-20 to the south and I-40 to the north. Scattered storms with daytime heating elsewhere especially along an old boundary in the eastern half of the state. Euro is even pointing at good precip in the northeastern tip of Texas so for those that lost some hope there has something to look forward to!
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#39 Postby Portastorm » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:12 am

Ntxw wrote:NAM is performing poorly. Euro has done well with initiation with a lot happening in Oklahoma. As the low progresses east/se the heaviest precip axis will be along the Red River valley bounded by I-20 to the south and I-40 to the north. Scattered storms with daytime heating elsewhere especially along an old boundary in the eastern half of the state. Euro is even pointing at good precip in the northeastern tip of Texas so for those that lost some hope there has something to look forward to!


Where's aggiecutter? He's going to owe me for removing the Austin Omega Block from northeast Texas. My loss will be his gain! :(
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#40 Postby weatherdude1108 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:54 am

Portastorm wrote:
Ntxw wrote:NAM is performing poorly. Euro has done well with initiation with a lot happening in Oklahoma. As the low progresses east/se the heaviest precip axis will be along the Red River valley bounded by I-20 to the south and I-40 to the north. Scattered storms with daytime heating elsewhere especially along an old boundary in the eastern half of the state. Euro is even pointing at good precip in the northeastern tip of Texas so for those that lost some hope there has something to look forward to!


Where's aggiecutter? He's going to owe me for removing the Austin Omega Block from northeast Texas. My loss will be his gain! :(


Yeah, you can go ahead and give back aggicutter's Austin Omega Block, ANYTIME! :sun: :sprinkler:
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