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#2881 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:14 pm

No problem jinfl.

It is windy right now and sure does feel cold! They really
mean it when they say wind chill advisory. I will
not use the thermometer tonight because the gusty wind might
cause a false colder reading; solid thermometers tend to be
sensitive to the wind...

http://www.weather.gov/data/obhistory/KSPG.html
I am using official data from now on:

58*F, Winds gusting to 24 mph; Feels pretty cold

Maps: Courtesy US AIR Sites:
LINK TO MANY MANY MAPS!: http://www.usairnet.com/weather/maps/cu ... mperature/

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#2882 Postby HURAKAN » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:28 pm

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#2883 Postby MiamiensisWx » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:56 pm

jinftl wrote:Reminds me some of the differences that can be found between the climate on Miami Beach (barrier island....Biscayne Bay to the west, Atlantic to the east) and areas inland even just 10 miles away...

Total Annual Rainfall is 46.85" on Miami Beach, while annual rainfall at Miami International Airport (less than 10 miles to the west) averages 60.00" - over 13" difference. The seabreezes tend to stabilize the air over the beach....with the sea breeze convergences that lead to heavy summer storms taking place inland a bit. There are many days, where it is sunny on the beach, clear as you look east over the atlantic, and huge thunderstorm build-up off to the west.

The ocean effect leads to warmer average nights on Miami Beach than at the airport for all 12 months. For example, the average low temp in December is 64.8 deg on Miami Beach and 61.8 deg at the airport. During wintertime, there can be the 10-15 degree differences you mention in St. Pete.

At the same time, the high temps are the opposite...it is warmer in terms of average high temp at the airport than on Miami Beach by a couple of degrees for all 12 months. Interesting stat - Miami Beach averages only 16.8 days above 90 deg each year....while less than 10 miles inland, the airport averages 62.5 days over 90. But Miami Beach also has many nights where the low doesn't drop below 80 in the summer...reflective of the temp spread you might see in the Caribbean.

In regards to the bolded portion, the proximity of the barrier islands (and adjacent coastal locales) to the Atlantic Ocean greatly influences daily maximum highs as well. The local moderating effects of the sea breeze mitigate daily highs along the immediate coastline and mainland areas near Biscayne Bay; therefore, inland high temperatures are greater than coastal highs. This factor also maintains warmer overnight lows in these coastal areas, as opposed to locales several blocks/miles inland from Biscayne Bay and the Atlantic Ocean. The contrast between coastal highs and inland highs is determined by the location where wind vectors shift from east to south and southwest. Inland, southerly/southwesterly low level wind vectors result in considerably higher maximum temperatures. You can detect a very sharp difference as you traverse locations that are situated a few blocks inland from Biscayne Bay and the coast. The daily highs several blocks westward from Coral Gables may be several degrees warmer than the waterfront locales on the Biscayne Bay shorelines.

The best opportunities for exceptionally high coastal temperatures (during the day) occur when the predominant low level wind vectors are south-southwest/southwest across all regions of southern Florida. This allows warmer maximum temperatures on the barrier islands and coastal mainland locales, since the moderating sea breeze is negated by the strong southwesterly wind vectors. If the southwesterly wind vectors are occurring inland, the sea breeze prevents higher maximum temperatures along coastal southeastern Florida.

It's also interesting to note that microclimates play distinct roles as well. For example, the soil content, degree/type of vegetation, and geology of some coastal locations can maintain warmer temperatures than surrounding areas. All barrier islands are not equal; Key Biscayne is a notable example. This barrier island often experiences warmer maximum temperatures than the majority of the barrier islands from Miami Beach northward along the coast. I believe the geology and vegetation patterns of the island (i.e. more exposed rock/sediments and sparser vegetation) results in greater transevaporation and warmer maximum highs than other barrier islands. Key Biscayne's infiltration patterns and hydrology may differ from adjacent barrier islands farther north. Past human activity on Key Biscayne (i.e. farming/agriculture) may influence the geology and vegetation as well. All of these factors affect temperatures and climate. If you traverse daily highs on a warm day, Key Biscayne is often solidly warmer than all of the barrier islands from Miami Beach to Jupiter.

Another interesting example of microclimates is the shell mounds. These pre-Columbian middens (Indian "trash heaps") contain multifarious mollusks, including bivalves, conchs, whelks, clams, oysters, et al. They are indicators of past human activity, including fishing. The heat retention of the shells results in distinct microclimates. The shell mounds often feature warmer and cooler temperature extremes than surrounding areas. The warmer temperature extremes result in environments for subtropical/tropical plant species well north of their typical distribution. For example, Turtle Mound (a pre-Columbian Timucuan mound) is located north of 28 N in the northern portion of the Canaveral National Seashore. The absolute location is 28°55′51″N 80°49′37″W. The mound contains several species of tropical plants, despite the fact that the mound is situated near New Smyrna Beach.

Turtle Mound article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_Mound
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#2884 Postby psyclone » Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:42 am

it seems as if we may stay warmer tonight than was expected... still haning on to 46 right now. interesting conversation with respect to microclimates. we have plenty of tropicals in my north pinellas neighborhood including foxtails and adonidias. a doctors office near me has a couple of good sized coconut palms that have been there a long time and all of these plants did just fine during last January's freeze. Coconut palms on honeymoon island did well for several years but were wiped out by seas from hurricane gustav this summer. absent a 1989 type freeze (which we haven't had since.... well 1989) tropicals seem to do pretty well around here. perhaps the tampa bay hurricane protection forcefield extends to freezes as well? yeah i know i'm pushing my luck.
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#2885 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:21 am

It only got down to 51.4ºF in my house. Still, it's quite cold outside when you factor the wind.
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Re: Florida Weather Thread: Cool shot coming!

#2886 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:34 am

Orlando didn't get as cold as expected last night. They only made it down to 40F, which was 4 degrees warmer than forecast. Even with it staying slightly warmer though, this morning was still the coldest November morning in the city since November 30th, 2002.
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Re: Florida Weather Thread: Cool shot coming!

#2887 Postby jdray » Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:31 am

Officially 29F at JIA, I saw 28F on my thermometer when I was up @ 7:30AM.

Nice brisk cold snap.
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#2888 Postby feederband » Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:53 am

34 here........
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Re: Florida Weather Thread: Cool shot coming!

#2889 Postby jinftl » Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:11 pm

Actual lows this morning:

Miami 53 (record was 42)
Fort Lauderdale 52 (record was 42)
West Palm Beach 48 (record was 41)
Naples 46 (record was 40)


NWS Miami forecasts lows for tonight...looks like we have passed the peak of this cold spell and the rebound is starting
Miami 56
Fort Lauderdale 55
West Palm 51
Naples 49
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#2890 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:46 pm

New Record Lows 11/19

Clewiston: 41ºF / R: 45ºF 1981
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#2891 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:02 pm

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#2892 Postby jinftl » Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:39 pm

Satellite shows the stratocumulus clouds approaching the coast of se fl....and like clockwork, both Miami and Fort Lauerdale have winds out of the NE now....dewpoint back over 50 again in fort lauderdale.


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#2893 Postby jdray » Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:58 pm

HURAKAN wrote:New Record Lows 11/19

Clewiston: 41ºF / R: 45ºF 1981



28F official in Jacksonville, previous record of 30F in 1951
28F in Gainesville, previous 31F in 1951
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#2894 Postby HurricaneGirl » Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:51 pm

It was cold here last night and will be tonight again. brrrrr :cold:
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#2895 Postby JonathanBelles » Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:49 pm

Denis just said the cooler microclimates of Pinellas may have to worry about patchy frost. Just thought Id post this because most people in Pinellas will not expect it.
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#2896 Postby jdray » Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:09 pm

Already @ 32F @ (PM in Jacksonville. (Cecil Field)
Officially 37F right now @ JIA.

Itsa gonna be a longa colda nighta....
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#2897 Postby JonathanBelles » Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:05 pm

Across the upper spine of the state there may be a MAJOR fog problem over night. There is a fire burning up there and with frost, freezing temps, and possible fog that is already settling. There may be a fog-smoke situation like last years I-4 massacre, only to a lesser degree.
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#2898 Postby Scorpion » Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:42 am

Yea, I noticed it was a little foggy driving home.
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Re: Florida Weather Thread: Cool shot coming!

#2899 Postby jinftl » Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:33 am

Now this is what I call a temperature rebound...

At 5am, Brooksville was 28 chilly degrees. At 10am...just 5 hours later...the temp is up to 60 deg. Rise of 32 degrees in 5 hours! Forecast hight is 69 deg....and a relatively warmer 40 deg for the low tonight.
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Re: Florida Weather Thread: Cool shot coming!

#2900 Postby jinftl » Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:32 am

The Florida sunshine is going to work this morning...esp in the northern part of the state.

Current 10am temps...and difference in parentheses over 10am wednesday temps...

FLORIDA REGIONAL WEATHER ROUNDUP
1000 AM EST THU NOV 20 2008

PENSACOLA SUNNY 59 (+15)
CRESTVIEW SUNNY 58 (+15)
APALACHICOLA SUNNY 60 (+14)
TALLAHASSEE SUNNY 56 (+13)
GAINESVILLE SUNNY 56 (+10)
JACKSONVILLE SUNNY 55 (+11)
ORLANDO INTL SUNNY 58 (+5)
VERO BEACH SUNNY 60 (+1)
FT PIERCE SUNNY 60 (+2)
BROOKSVILLE SUNNY 60 (+9)
TAMPA SUNNY 59 (+7)
ST PETERSBURG SUNNY 57 (+6)
SARASOTA SUNNY 59 (+6)
FT MYERS SUNNY 60 (+5)
NAPLES SUNNY 61 (+6)
KEY WEST INTL SUNNY 69 (+6)
W PALM BEACH MOSUNNY 64 (+2)
FT LAUDERDALE MOSUNNY 69 (+5)
MIAMI MOSUNNY 67 (+5)
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