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#81 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:15 pm

IMO, all of the 45 - and much of the 30 - should be hatched. I'd almost consider hinting an upgrade to High Risk for the Day 1 tomorrow.
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#82 Postby brunota2003 » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:17 pm

Seems I am on the western edge of the SLT risk area. Tomorrow ought to be interesting here near Lawton, OK.

As for last night...storms rolled through around 250 am...woke me up as the wind drove the rain into my window (second story), and got me slightly wet, as I had my window open about two inches. Local airport weather station recorded a wind gust of 53 mph as the line hit.
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#83 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:24 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:IMO, all of the 45 - and much of the 30 - should be hatched. I'd almost consider hinting an upgrade to High Risk for the Day 1 tomorrow.



There does seem to be the combination of wind dynamics, fairly low LFCs/LCLs and high instability...

Someone back on page 3 hotlinked a new and wonderful resource I had not seen before, the College of DuPage...

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#84 Postby RL3AO » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:30 pm

That CoD site is amazing. Great stuff.
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Re: Severe weather returns? February 8-12

#85 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:35 pm

Giant hail threat as well, meteograms from both WRF and GFS suggest freezing levels down near 6000 feet above surface late tomorrow afternoon.

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I got my son's Cub Scout meeting tomorrow night during all the DFW action.

I guess I'll catch up reading the this thread. Thank goodness for whoever it is who has GR3 radar and an imageshack account!
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#86 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:20 pm

Any chance of some action in central florida? been kinda boring around
here lately...
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Re: Severe weather returns? February 8-12

#87 Postby srainhoutx » Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:42 pm

Dallas/Ft Worth AFD offers some tidbits concerning tomorrow afternoon/evening...snipet...

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORT WORTH TX
330 PM CST MON FEB 9 2009

.DISCUSSION...


SEVERE WEATHER EVENT FOR TOMORROW LOOKS PROMISING AND SPC HAS
UPGRADED THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT TO A MODERATE RISK WITH THE REST
OF THE AREA IN A SLIGHT RISK. UPPER LEVEL TROUGH AND SHORTWAVE ARE
CURRENTLY MOVING ACROSS SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. MODELS ARE IN GOOD
AGREEMENT THAT BULK OF ENERGY ASSOCIATED WITH THE APPROACHING
UPPER LEVEL TROUGH WILL MOVE THROUGH NORTH TEXAS TUESDAY NIGHT. AS
THIS FEATURE APPROACHES WEST TEXAS...IT IS FORECAST TO CLOSE OFF
AND DEEPEN. IN RESPONSE...THE SURFACE LOW OVER THE TX PANHANDLE
IS ALSO FORECAST TO STRENGTHEN AND THIS WILL INCREASE THE WINDS
ACROSS THE REGION TOMORROW. THE GFS IS THE FARTHEST SOUTH IN IT/S
TRACK OF THE UPPER LEVEL LOW BRINGING IT RIGHT OVER NORTH TEXAS
WHILE OTHER MODELS TRACK THE UPPER LEVEL LOW ACROSS OKLAHOMA.

THERE IS HIGH CONFIDENCE THAT A SQUALL LINE WILL DEVELOP TOMORROW
AROUND SUNSET ALONG THE DRYLINE JUST NORTHWEST OF THE CWA. WITH
STRONG DYNAMICAL FORCING AND SUPPORT AND INSTABILITY...THIS
SQUALL LINE SHOULD SUSTAIN ITSELF AS IT TRACKS ACROSS THE CWA
PRODUCING HAIL...DAMAGING WINDS...AND POSSIBLY TORNADOES.


THE QUESTION REMAINS OF EXACTLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN TOMORROW
AFTERNOON BEFORE THE SQUALL LINE ARRIVES. CURRENT THINKING IS THAT
THE AFTERNOON HOURS WILL SEE CONVECTION BUT TIMING AND LOCATION IS
TOO UNCERTAIN TO PINPOINT
.
THEREFORE...HAVE ADJUSTED TOMORROW
AFTERNOON/S POPS TO 40-50 PERCENT ACROSS THE ENTIRE REGION.
EXTENSIVE CLOUD COVER IS EXPECTED TOMORROW BUT WARM AIR ADVECTION
AND ISENTROPIC LIFTING SHOULD AIDE IN LIFTING PARCELS SUFFICIENTLY
TO PRODUCE THUNDERSTORMS IN THE AFTERNOON. MODELS CONTINUE TO
ADVERTISE GOOD INSTABILITY TOMORROW AFTERNOON WITH SURFACE CAPES
INCREASING TO NEAR 2000 J/KG BY SUNSET...WEAK INHIBITION...AND
SHEAR VALUES ON THE ORDER OF 50-60 KTS WITH STEEP LAPSE RATES IN
THE LOWER AND MID LEVELS. SO ANY CONVECTION THAT DEVELOPS IN THE
AFTERNOON HOURS WILL HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BECOME SEVERE AND WILL
LIKELY RAPIDLY MOVE OFF TO THE NORTH OR NORTHEAST. HAIL...DAMAGING
WINDS... AND TORNADOES WILL ALSO BE POSSIBLE IN THE AFTERNOON
HOURS.


EVEN WITH CONVECTION AND SEVERE WEATHER DEVELOPING IN THE
AFTERNOON HOURS...STILL REMAIN CONFIDENT THAT UPPER LEVEL SUPPORT
AND FORECASTED SEVERE PARAMETERS WILL SUPPORT A SEVERE SQUALL
LINE OVERNIGHT.
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Re: Severe weather returns? February 8-12

#88 Postby Shockwave » Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:15 pm

Wednesday: Showers and thunderstorms before 3pm, then showers likely. Some storms could be severe, with damaging winds. High near 64. Windy, with a south wind 25 to 30 mph becoming west. Chance of precipitation is 100%.


Updated outlook from OHX for my area...
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Re: Severe weather returns? February 8-12

#89 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:20 pm

Tomorrow late commute- dinner time,near DFW area.
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DFW Metro forecast skew-T's a tiny bit less scary than 12Z, just South of the Metroplex at 6pm looks most impressive...

Decent CAPE, low cloud bases/LFC's, impressive low level shear...

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Re: Severe weather returns? February 8-12

#90 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:38 pm

Looks like things will be getting interesting along the dry-line tomorrow afternoon and on into the evening. North Texas and South Oklahoma along the I-35 corridor looks like a prime spot for severe weather IMO, with the threat then spreading east overnight and into Wednesday.
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Re: Severe weather returns? February 8-12

#91 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:11 pm

GFS max action area looks a tad North of WRF, closer to the Red River.

DUA sounding

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ETA: Sounding South of Dallas looks more impressive, similar to WRF, but GFS's heaviest rain action, and I assume t-storms, is North of DFW...

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Re: Severe weather returns? February 8-12

#92 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:17 pm

Latest parameters for the next couple days - tomorrow not quite as explosive (enough to prevent a high risk probably), but Wednesday looking more interesting:

TOMORROW
EHI - low levels around 3.00, mid-levels around 3.25 (peaking late evening)
Helicity - peaking around 500
CAPE - peaking around 2,250
LI - peaking around -8

WEDNESDAY
EHI - low levels around 1.50, mid-levels around 1.75
Helicity - peaking around 600
CAPE - peaking around 1,500
LI - peaking around -6
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Re: Severe weather returns? February 8-12

#93 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:38 pm

For comparison, here were the parameters for the early season events the last couple years (green - less than forecast for this week, red - more than forecast):

FEBRUARY 24, 2007
EHI - around 4.5
Helicity - around 900
CAPE - around 1,000
LI - around -4

MARCH 1, 2007
EHI - around 5.5
Helicity - around 700
CAPE - around 2,250
LI - around -7

JANUARY 7, 2008
EHI - around 3.5
Helicity - around 600
CAPE - around 1,250
LI - around -5

JANUARY 10, 2008
EHI - around 4.0
Helicity - around 600
CAPE - around 1,000
LI - around -5

FEBRUARY 5, 2008
EHI - around 4.5
Helicity - around 800
CAPE - around 1,500
LI - around -8

FEBRUARY 17, 2008
EHI - around 2.0
Helicity - around 400
CAPE - around 1,000
LI - around -4
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Re: Severe weather returns? February 8-12

#94 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:54 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:Latest parameters for the next couple days - tomorrow not quite as explosive (enough to prevent a high risk probably), but Wednesday looking more interesting:

TOMORROW
EHI - low levels around 3.00, mid-levels around 3.25 (peaking late evening)
Helicity - peaking around 500
CAPE - peaking around 2,250
LI - peaking around -8

WEDNESDAY
EHI - low levels around 1.50, mid-levels around 1.75
Helicity - peaking around 600
CAPE - peaking around 1,500
LI - peaking around -6



Depends on the model of choice, I found EHI's over 3.5 near DFW on the WRF.
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Re: Severe weather returns? February 8-12

#95 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:15 am

Wednesday, deep layer shear 60 knots plus, and enough instability, Tennessee and Kentucky look like Wednesday's target areas.

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Decent mid-level instability, and wicked shear there, but surface instability may be a tad lacking. IMHO, tomorrow may be the more likely tornado day. Looks more like a squall line scenario. But I'm no expert.
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Re: Severe weather returns? February 8-12

#96 Postby srainhoutx » Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:29 am

Updated WRF run for SPC link for those that might be interested...

http://wwwt.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/mmb/mpyle/cent4km/v2/
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#97 Postby CrazyC83 » Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:04 am

Looks like a supercellular event, with a late evening squall line breaking at times.

Awaiting the 06Z update - how big will they go?
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#98 Postby CrazyC83 » Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:11 am

Day 1 coming out: MDT risk roughly tripled in size. Will there be hints of a HIGH risk?
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#99 Postby RL3AO » Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:12 am

They'll probably expand the MDT area. Any high wouldn't come until 13z or 1630z IMO.
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#100 Postby Bunkertor » Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:13 am

The MDT Area is yet enhanced
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