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Ed Mahmoud

Next big severe outbreak starts Monday?

#1 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:20 am

Fairly strong low level jet setting up for much of Southern and Central Plains, per ECMWF.
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Strong 500 mb low.
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Looks even more conducive for severe weather in the Mississippi Valley next Monday!
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GFS 500 mb forecast similar to Euro
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As a little lagniappe, GFS and Euro both suggest low thicknesses and cool temps, for a some winter precip in California and the desert Southwest at fairly low elevations.
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Re: Next big severe outbreak starts Sunday?

#2 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:25 am

This may show up on tomorrow's Day 4 to 8 SPC Outlook. I shall be waiting...
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Re: Next big severe outbreak starts Sunday?

#3 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:22 pm

Monday looking interesting in "tornado alley", Kansas to DFW per 12Z GFS

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#4 Postby jasons2k » Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:14 pm

That is one deep trough
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#5 Postby RL3AO » Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:24 pm

Yikes. I just checked the GFS. If this comes true, we are looking at a major snow storm in Minnesota. Another thing that caught my eye was that this outbreak would be further north and west, into Oklahoma/Kansas/Texas.
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#6 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:24 pm

Reminds me of something similar in about the same period 2 years ago...
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Re: Next big severe outbreak starts Sunday?

#7 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:07 am

This mornings Euro is a bit farther back with the main trough, but still suggests possibility of severe on Monday Kansas to North Texas.

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Tuesday- surface low getting stronger, severe risk may increase into Mississippi Valley...


One thing I don't understand, surface low seems to be near confluent jet region, which isn't intuitive to me at all.

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GFS more progressive with trough, looks more realistic to me surface low to trough placement, and also sees severe Monday in Plains, with a big snowstorm on the Northern side...

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Note- I think, from the URL, that the Euro images will stay for a few days, but I don't have a Photobucket, and the GFS will be for Tuesday this time tomorrow.

Tuesday afternoon GFS looks scary for lower Miss Valley
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Tomorrow, this will be Wednesday aftrernoons GFS.

BTW, SPC has a Day 4 outlook for the Miss Valley, and mentions continuing severe threat beyond, but not the model consistency to outlook an area.
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#8 Postby CrazyC83 » Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:22 am

Looks like flooding rain for me as well...
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Re: Next big severe outbreak starts Sunday?

#9 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:10 am

Day 3 (Friday) has a Slight Risk, which an area of hatched probabilities over the lower Mississippi Valley, but I still think Sunday-Tuesday, or maybe Monday-Wednesday, will be a bigger deal.


Models still show a monster upper low, with low heights, and cold air aloft, moving into California this weekend.

Monday afternoon Euro surface
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Euro 500 mb
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0Z GFS Monday afternoon
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Re: Next big severe outbreak starts Sunday?

#10 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:18 am

Eastern Texas and Oklahoma, and most of Arkansas and Louisiana are in a slight risk, with a hatched area for hail near the Arklatex.


I still think Monday starts the big severe weather episode.

Monday's severe weather maker in the Pacific

Now, the Euro doesn't give info on pops or instability for free, but for long lead time severe forecasting, in my practiced but extremely amateur and unofficial manner, I look for good speed/directional shear suggested by the Euro surface and 500 mb maps.
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Re: Next big severe outbreak starts Sunday?

#11 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:40 am

Day 4 Oklahoma and North Texas, Day 5 Arklatex to Mississippi:

DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0358 AM CDT FRI MAR 14 2008

VALID 171200Z - 221200Z

...DISCUSSION...

THE PRIMARY FEATURE OF INTEREST DURING THE EXTENDED FORECAST PERIOD
WILL BE UPPER LOW WHICH WILL MOVE THROUGH THE SRN ROCKIES...SRN
PLAINS AND NRN MEXICO ON DAYS 4 AND 5 /MON AND TUE/. THE GFS
REMAINS MORE PROGRESSIVE IN THE EWD/NEWD MOVEMENT OF THIS LOW WHEN
COMPARED TO BOTH THE ECMWF AND UKMET. DESPITE THIS DIFFERENCE...IT
APPEARS THAT A MOIST AND UNSTABLE AIR MASS WILL BE COLOCATED WITH
STRONG VERTICAL SHEAR OVER A FAIRLY SIZABLE WARM SECTOR ON DAY 4
WITH AN ORGANIZED SEVERE WEATHER EPISODE POSSIBLE.

THIS SEVERE WEATHER THREAT SHOULD CONTINUE INTO AT LEAST DAY 5 OVER
ERN PARTS OF THE SRN PLAINS INTO LOWER MS VALLEY. THE POTENTIAL FOR
SEVERE WEATHER MAY CONTINUE INTO DAY 6 /WED/...THE EXTENT OF WHICH
REMAINS QUITE UNCERTAIN GIVEN THE MODEL DIFFERENCES IN THE HANDLING
OF THE UPPER TROUGH.

..MEAD.. 03/14/2008
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Re: Next big severe outbreak starts Sunday?

#12 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:51 am

Monday afternoon/evening Oklahoma & North and Northwest Texas
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GFS instability forecast (MUCAPE)
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Forecast Abilene sounding from GFS Monday late afternoon
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Tuesday afternoon/evening: Missouri to Southeast Texas and Louisiana

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For Monday, Euro sees a 40 knot low level jet:
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and a deep 500 mb trough:
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As mentioned, thse areas are in the general Day 4, then Day 5 SPC outlook.
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Re: Next big severe outbreak starts Monday?

#13 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:53 am

Note:

Edited title from last Monday "Next big severe outbreak starts Sunday" to "Next big severe outbreak starts Monday" as the models were a hair fast from a week out.
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Re: Next big severe outbreak starts Monday?

#14 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:04 am

In the WRF window now for Monday. MUCAPE in excess of 1000 J/Kg, and deep layer shear 50 knots and higher Southern Oklahoma and North Texas, well...

Added detail: My wife is a teacher, and she and the kids are on Spring Break. May limit my access time to Storm2K this weekend, as we are driving to Hurst-Euless-Bedford suburboplex near DFW this weekend, coming back Monday afternoon because my wife has a doctor's appointment Tuesday morning, and I am working Wednesday through Friday. I suppose, for the safety of the family, we will load up and move out back for Houston by early afternoon, but a little bit of me will miss being in what will probably be a hatched tornado and hail MODERATE RISK area on the 1300 SWODY1 issued on St. Patrick's Day.

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Re: Next big severe outbreak starts Monday?

#15 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:23 pm

Probably bad form to post like 8 times in a row. Well, anyway, relevant snip of AFD from NWS SJT

.LONG TERM (SUNDAY NIGHT-FRIDAY)...
A SIGNIFICANT SEVERE WEATHER EVENT WILL BE POSSIBLE LATE MONDAY AFTERNOON AND MONDAY NIGHT ACROSS WEST CENTRAL TEXAS. DEEP UPPER TROUGH AND LOW ARE PROGGED TO MOVE SLOWLY EAST ACROSS THE DESERT
SOUTHWEST AND NORTHERN MEXICO MONDAY AND MONDAY NIGHT...BEFORE LIFTING OUT TO THE NORTHEAST INTO WEST TEXAS ON TUESDAY. LOW-LEVEL MOISTURE AND CLOUDS WILL INCREASE ON SUNDAY WITH THE STRENGTHENING RETURN FLOW FROM THE GULF. ON SUNDAY NIGHT...LOW-LEVEL JET AND THETA-E ADVECTION...ALONG WITH WITH A POSSIBLE LEAD WAVE EJECTING WELL OUT AHEAD OF THE MAIN UPPER SYSTEM...WILL BRING A CHANCE OF SCATTERED THUNDERSTORMS. A FEW STRONG/MARGINALLY SEVERE STORMS WILL
BE POSSIBLE SUNDAY NIGHT.

WITH THE APPOROACH OF THE VERY POTENT UPPER SYSTEM...DRYLINE WILL SETUP AND SHARPEN ACROSS WEST TEXAS ON MONDAY. AS THE SYSTEM BEGINS TO LIFT OUT...PACIFIC FRONT PROGGED TO OVERTAKE THE DRYLINE ANDPUSH EAST ACROSS WEST CENTRAL TEXAS MONDAY NIGHT/EARLY TUESDAY. WITH THE VERY STRONG DYNAMICS AND LIFT WITH THE SYSTEM...UNSTABLE AIRMASS AND VERY IMPRESSIVE VERTICAL SHEAR PROFILES...A SIGNIFICANT SEVERE WEATHER EVENT MAY OCCUR LATE MONDAY AFTERNOON INTO EARLY TUESDAY. AT THIS TIME APPEARS THE HIGHEST POPS FOR WEST CENTRAL TEXAS ARE WILL BE ON MONDAY NIGHT.

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#16 Postby RL3AO » Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:42 pm

And you won't get number 9! :D
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Re: Next big severe outbreak starts Monday?

#17 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:25 pm

Nope, Not Post #9.

GFS on board for DFW Monday

One deep trough

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Actually, the GFS would be maybe even spookir down towards San Antonio

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Re: Next big severe outbreak starts Monday?

#18 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:14 am

SWODY3 for Monday has DFW in a hatched 30% risk area

Actually, that hatched 30% is from just South of OKC to near SAT


...SRN PLAINS...

A STRONG...SLY LLJ WILL BE MAINTAINED AHEAD OF UPPER TROUGH WHICH
WILL ENHANCE THE NWD TRANSPORT OF AN INCREASINGLY MOIST AIR MASS
WITH DEWPOINTS INCREASING THROUGH THE 60S AHEAD OF DRYLINE/PACIFIC COLD FRONT AND S OF RETREATING WARM FRONT. THIS MOISTURE COUPLED WITH STEEP MIDLEVEL LAPSE RATES IS EXPECTED TO CONTRIBUTE TO A MODERATELY UNSTABLE AIR MASS OVER PORTIONS OF OK SWD INTO CNTRL TX.

TSTMS /MAINLY ELEVATED/ ARE FORECAST TO EXPAND IN COVERAGE MONDAY MORNING N OF RETREATING WARM FRONT OVER OK EVENTUALLY INTO ERN KS AND MO ALONG NOSE OF LLJ. THE STEEP LAPSE RATES AND RELATIVELY STRONG CLOUD BEARING SHEAR SHOULD SUPPORT ORGANIZED/SUSTAINED UPDRAFTS WITH A THREAT OF LARGE HAIL. MORE ROBUST...SURFACE-BASED TSTM DEVELOPMENT IS EXPECTED BY AFTERNOON FROM VICINITY OF COLD FRONT AND DRYLINE/PACIFIC FRONT TRIPLE POINT OVER WRN OR CNTRL OK SWD INTO THE EDWARDS PLATEAU REGION. THE COMBINATION OF STRONG VERTICAL SHEAR AND MODERATE INSTABILITY INDICATE THE POTENTIAL FOR SUPERCELLS AND/OR BOWING LINE SEGMENTS CAPABLE OF TORNADOES... DAMAGING WINDS AND LARGE HAIL.

STORMS SHOULD GROW UPSCALE INTO A LINEAR CONVECTIVE SYSTEM MONDAY NIGHT INTO TUESDAY MORNING WITHIN A STRONGLY SHEARED KINEMATIC ENVIRONMENT. SUPERCELLS WILL REMAIN POSSIBLE WITHIN QLCS WITH A CONTINUED THREAT OF TORNADOES...DAMAGING WINDS AND HAIL.
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#19 Postby CrazyC83 » Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:19 am

Quite bold for the day 3, yet I think days 4 and 5 are the big concern...
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Re: Next big severe outbreak starts Monday?

#20 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:25 am

And it turned out yesterday's severe weather, with an apparent tornado hitting downtown Atlanta, was no slouch either.
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