Gulf Stream Shutdown in 3-5 years?

[Guest]

I was reading this article, and the Pentagon said that the Gulf Stream *Might* shutdown in 3-5 years. here is the link and thoughts/comments would be appreciated.

http://www.spiritofmaat.com/announce/ann_dryice.htm

[USAwx1]

I thought I put this issue to bed.

[rainstorm]

that could mean bitter cold for nw europe

[Guest]

yes, it would also mean bitter cold for the Eastern U.S. I also forgot to say, please read the whole article before commenting.

[Guest]

*bump*

[MGC]

A huge load of crap! Blaming Bush and America for something that won't happen is pure hogwash. I am sick and tired of hearing all this global warming bull. We have just had 5 consecutive days of record low temps here on the Miss coast. Look, the world has been hotter and colder long before human had any influence at all. So, how can anyone with half a brain conclude humanity is causing global warming and then a rapid cool down into an ice age...........MGC

[Anonymous]

Look, the world has been hotter and colder long before human had any influence at all. MGC

The world had fire before humans as well. Would you argue that humanity has had no influence on fire? Or what about introducing new species into areas they did not exist in before? Or what about the domestications of animals? Animals existed before man, but surely you would not argue that man has not had an influence on them?

Why then won't you consider the possibility of humanity influencing the climate of the entire planet as our population rapidly grows? I'm just saying consider ... not agree.

[weatherfan]

This is a bit off topic on a tropica weather board.But I will replay to it any way.In my opinion I tend to beleave that Earth gos through natural cycles and doing past ice ages and warm periolds is all part of a very long live cycles that this planent has went through.Some argures that we are in the middle of severe global warming while others argures that we are going in to global cooling.Reather warming or cooling the fact is Earth will always go in different cycles.And it has all ready been a proven fact that climate has changed reather rapperly just from natural cycles from past ice ages and warm periolds we have had in the past.The fact is Earth has been here long before Men has so we may speraklate on possablteys on what may happen.But the truth is only time will tell who is right.

[Guest]

if you haven't thought for a second, maybe the record cold is because the gulf stream is ALREADY SLOWING DOWN. I'm not saying that it is definitely because of that, but look at this. New York City has only hit 90 degrees once so far this summer, and that was in June. The City has never had a summer in recorded history in which the temperature didn't hit 90 in July and August, and currently we're heading that way. Look at the Hudson Bay ice pack as well. It still hasn't melted! This is very unusual, as it usually melts in early July/late June. Ice is already beginning to build back up around Siberia and Greenland. Look at whats happening, and the rest of the facts before you say something isn't going to happen. Oh yeah, and their saying that even if it does nto happen in 3-5 years, other agencies are forecasting it to slow significantly/shut down within our lifetimes! Mind you, lifetimes probably will lengthen above 100 years by 2050, and even older by 2100.

[weatherfan]

While the gulf stream possabltey is diffentey true and a possabley.I don't think one can say this is the reason why this summer has been cool.We also have sort term factors such as the ENSO,NAO,AO PDO and the EPO and the QBO and also you have to consider the fact that the Eastern USA has had a over all wet ground.Which has faverd the patterns this summer to be such where we have had a much cooler and wetter then normal summer in much of the East and Northeastern use.However the Western states have very dry ground a severe drought so this the pattern has faverd dry and very hot weather over the last few years or so.

[Janie34]

I thought I put this issue to bed.

Could you provide a link, please? I haven't seen it and would be interested in your thoughts.

Having said that, I think this article is suspicious at the very best. Really its nothing more than a good story. As Clara Peller would say, "Where's the beef?" All of this alarmism and attempts at creating panic with no evidence or proof to back it up. Not one link. Nothing. All we have are the stories of the iceberg breaking off (true) and some unnamed people whispering about imminent disaster.

Whether global warming is happening is an ongoing debate in the scientific community. This article, OTOH, is nothing more than a modern-day ghost story.

[Dean4Storms]

Wolf Wolf Wolf Wolf and again lets cry Wolf Wolf Wolf!!

[Guest]

Nikolai you are fighting a losing battle here. I don't disagre with you but, you have to many hard core weather people here that will never agree with you on that issue eventhough the signs are hitting them in the face. Hint Hint Charlie and other anamolies..

[donsutherland1]

Nikolai,

In terms of the average temperature, Summer 2004 has been cool but not extraordinarily cool in New York City. Through today, NYC's June through August mean temperature is 73.0°.

There are 45 summers that have seen cooler mean temperatures, including 13 that came out below 72° and 2 with mean temperatures below 70°.

1903 69.3
1927 69.9
1902 70.5
1881 70.9
1886 71.0
1915 71.2
1869 71.3
1871 71.4
1888 71.4
1889 71.4
1874 71.4
1893 71.7
1914 71.9
1890 72.0
1926 72.0
1916 72.0
1894 72.0
1946 72.0
1875 72.0
1924 72.1
2000 72.1
1897 72.2
1884 72.3
1919 72.4
1912 72.4
1879 72.4
1920 72.4
1992 72.5
1965 72.5
1873 72.6
1887 72.6
1904 72.6
1909 72.6
1910 72.6
1922 72.6
1940 72.7
1950 72.8
1956 72.8
1958 72.8
1928 72.9

Since 1950, there have been six cooler summers. Two of those came since 1990:

2000 72.1
1992 72.5
1965 72.5
1958 72.8
1956 72.8
1950 72.8

[Guest]

yes, alex was the first hurricane to become a major hurricane over a certain latitude, although i can't remember what the latitude is. oh yeah, and here is some more information
and regarding the NYC cool summer post, I wasn't saying that the summer was the coolest ever. I was saying that it hasn't hit 90 degrees in July/August do far, which is very significant as its never happened before.




http://www.unknowncountry.com/edge/quickwatch/

[Derek Ortt]

Charley is NOT an anomoly. In fact, during the 50's the WC was hit by many major hurricanes

[Guest]

A lof of things have never happened before that are now happening, But you will never convince the people here.

[Guest]

yeah, I guess some people could call ignoring climate change (waring or cooling)the George Bush path....

[USAwx1]

if you haven't thought for a second, maybe the record cold is because the gulf stream is ALREADY SLOWING DOWN. I'm not saying that it is definitely because of that, but look at this. New York City has only hit 90 degrees once so far this summer, and that was in June. The City has never had a summer in recorded history in which the temperature didn't hit 90 in July and August, and currently we're heading that way. Look at the Hudson Bay ice pack as well. It still hasn't melted! This is very unusual, as it usually melts in early July/late June. Ice is already beginning to build back up around Siberia and Greenland. Look at whats happening, and the rest of the facts before you say something isn't going to happen. Oh yeah, and their saying that even if it does nto happen in 3-5 years, other agencies are forecasting it to slow significantly/shut down within our lifetimes! Mind you, lifetimes probably will lengthen above 100 years by 2050, and even older by 2100.

Disagree 1000% If you look at the 500mb Set-up in the means for JUN and JUL you will understand why the trough has been stuck in the east and record heat has been observed AK.

BTW, axlfamlaw....Nice to see you back here

[Dean4Storms]

Nikolai you are fighting a losing battle here. I don't disagre with you but, you have to many hard core weather people here that will never agree with you on that issue eventhough the signs are hitting them in the face. Hint Hint Charlie and other anamolies..

Charley was no anomaly, SW FL getting hit by a Cat.4 hurricane is as near normal an event over time as a F5 Tornado in Kansas.