Scientist predicts new ice age...........

[kenl01]

Russian scientist predicts global cooling

http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/ ... frame=true

[JonathanBelles]

now the question, global warming or global cooling.

[AussieMark]

isn't global warming and global cooling kinda linked anyway in the theory that excess freshwater from the artic circle melting makes the thermohaline conveyor slow or shut down?

[JonathanBelles]

i was kinda thinkin the same thing, that as the arctic and antarctic melt, the waters will cool and the world will cool into an ice age.

[Aslkahuna]

Yes, that is one thought-but the timing as to when the Russian believes that the cooling will occur leads me to believe that he is expecting another Solar magnetic minimum similar to the Maunder and Spörer minima that occurred in conjunction with the Little Ice Age.

[Hybridstorm_November2001]

Global Warming or Global Cooling, if both are allegedly caused by man made factors, then I guess the Climate Change people win the argument no matter which occurs. Please this is just getting moronic.

[kevin]

Global Warming or Global Cooling, if both are allegedly caused by man made factors, then I guess the Climate Change people win the argument no matter which occurs. Please this is just getting moronic.

Just because you can't understand something doesn't mean it isn't true. Human beings are warming things up on earth, and the long term reaction will be climate change, which is not entirely predictable.

[Hybridstorm_November2001]

Well basically there is no real proof of that. Like everything in science it is only a "working theory". The main reason man made GW/made man Climate Change has been elevated to the status of Holy Grail of Theories, is because of media driven disaster hype. When you look at the actual hard data the idea is based upon, things start to become very murky very fast. Take Tropical Cyclones for example, it has been claimed that GW is causing them to be more powerful, however it was recently determined that the intensity estimates used for the World Archives are probably too high. Another thing most observations in the 20th century were taken in and around Urban areas; which natural are on average 3 to 5 degrees Celsius warmer than the surrounding country side. While at the same time temp. readings by satellite have shown that parts of the Atmosphere have actual cooled, not warmed in the last 25 years.

[bob rulz]

Well basically there is no real proof of that. Like everything in science it is only a "working theory". The main reason man made GW/made man Climate Change has been elevated to the status of Holy Grail of Theories, is because of media driven disaster hype. When you look at the actual hard data the idea is based upon, things start to become very murky very fast. Take Tropical Cyclones for example, it has been claimed that GW is causing them to be more powerful, however it was recently determined that the intensity estimates used for the World Archives are probably too high. Another thing most observations in the 20th century were taken in and around Urban areas; which natural are on average 3 to 5 degrees Celsius warmer than the surrounding country side. While at the same time temp. readings by satellite have shown that parts of the Atmosphere have actual cooled, not warmed in the last 25 years.

Stations have always been in urban areas...and of course parts of the atmosphere cools. If one part warms up, it's got to be compensated with somewhere. It would seem to me as if the troposphere warming up would make the stratosphere cool down, for example.

[x-y-no]

So where's his data? Where is he published?

I've seen all kinds of hypotheses thrown out there. Let's see some backup.


Google Scholar turns up all of five papers mostly on sunspot structure. I don't see any evidence that he's done any work in paleoclimatology.

[curtadams]

Well basically there is no real proof of that. Like everything in science it is only a "working theory". The main reason man made GW/made man Climate Change has been elevated to the status of Holy Grail of Theories, is because of media driven disaster hype. When you look at the actual hard data the idea is based upon, things start to become very murky very fast. Take Tropical Cyclones for example, it has been claimed that GW is causing them to be more powerful, however it was recently determined that the intensity estimates used for the World Archives are probably too high. Another thing most observations in the 20th century were taken in and around Urban areas; which natural are on average 3 to 5 degrees Celsius warmer than the surrounding country side. While at the same time temp. readings by satellite have shown that parts of the Atmosphere have actual cooled, not warmed in the last 25 years.

You're citing some pretty hoary old stuff. I've never seen a paper which didn't account for the urban island affect. Can you find even one? And cooling of the upper atmosphere is predicted by global warming - CO2 in the atmosphere acts as a blanket, and high in the atmosphere reduced heating from below outweighs reduced cooling to space. It's one of the mechanism by which global warming can intensify hurricanes.

[Ptarmigan]

If there is a global cool down, that's a good thing for ptarmigans. Ptarmigans will be more common.