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Dr Gray says Global Warming Theory is "Ridiculous"

#1 Postby cycloneye » Sun Oct 14, 2007 6:26 pm

Gore gets a cold shoulder
October 14, 2007


ONE of the world's foremost meteorologists has called the theory that helped Al Gore share the Nobel Peace Prize "ridiculous" and the product of "people who don't understand how the atmosphere works".

Dr William Gray, a pioneer in the science of seasonal hurricane forecasts, told a packed lecture hall at the University of North Carolina that humans were not responsible for the warming of the earth.

His comments came on the same day that the Nobel committee honoured Mr Gore for his work in support of the link between humans and global warming.

"We're brainwashing our children," said Dr Gray, 78, a long-time professor at Colorado State University. "They're going to the Gore movie [An Inconvenient Truth] and being fed all this. It's ridiculous."

At his first appearance since the award was announced in Oslo, Mr Gore said: "We have to quickly find a way to change the world's consciousness about exactly what we're facing."

Mr Gore shared the Nobel prize with the United Nations climate panel for their work in helping to galvanise international action against global warming.

But Dr Gray, whose annual forecasts of the number of tropical storms and hurricanes are widely publicised, said a natural cycle of ocean water temperatures - related to the amount of salt in ocean water - was responsible for the global warming that he acknowledges has taken place.

However, he said, that same cycle meant a period of cooling would begin soon and last for several years.

"We'll look back on all of this in 10 or 15 years and realise how foolish it was," Dr Gray said.

During his speech to a crowd of about 300 that included meteorology students and a host of professional meteorologists, Dr Gray also said those who had linked global warming to the increased number of hurricanes in recent years were in error.

He cited statistics showing there were 101 hurricanes from 1900 to 1949, in a period of cooler global temperatures, compared to 83 from 1957 to 2006 when the earth warmed.

"The human impact on the atmosphere is simply too small to have a major effect on global temperatures," Dr Gray said.

He said his beliefs had made him an outsider in popular science.

"It bothers me that my fellow scientists are not speaking out against something they know is wrong," he said. "But they also know that they'd never get any grants if they spoke out. I don't care about grants."


http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/ ... 38792.html

Ok I am posting this for information to the members so dont slam me. :) I can see a good discussion going on here about what Dr William Gray said about Al Gore winning the Nobel Peace Prize because of the issue of Climate Change.
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#2 Postby JonathanBelles » Sun Oct 14, 2007 6:43 pm

I'm suprised he would come out with such a big statement. I see reasons to believe both gore's and Gray's view. My theory is somewhere in the middle so Im not gonna deck anyone.
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#3 Postby HURAKAN » Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:34 pm

We have to be causing some effects on the Earth just facing the facts that we are more than 6.5 billion people, that are taking resources, space, burning coal and oil, putting back into the atmosphere a gigantous amount of CO2 that over millions of years through natural processes had been kept underground, destroying forests that produce oxygen and take CO2, changing rivers into dams, pulluting rivers, lakes, the ocean, the atmosphere, all of this constantly. Just lay back and imagine for a second if all this couldn't have an effect on the planet.

WE HAVE CHANGED THE FACE OF THE EARTH.
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Re: Dr Gray says Global Warming Theory is "Ridiculous"

#4 Postby cycloneye » Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:51 pm

WE HAVE CHANGED THE FACE OF THE EARTH.


Agree 100%
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#5 Postby x-y-no » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:40 am

fact789 wrote:I'm suprised he would come out with such a big statement.


I'm not. He's been a full-blown denialist for some time.
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Re: Dr Gray says Global Warming Theory is "Ridiculous"

#6 Postby cpdaman » Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:34 pm

I try to stay on the fence in these issues, because the media is so manipulative and i am careful to stand back and judge all sides, marketing and taking advantage of people's emotional responses are surprisingly effective at shaping people's beleifs.

alot of people see it as admitting weakness to understand how easy they can be fooled, especially if they really don't know anything about an issue or non issue (trying to be made an issue)

Once someone beleived something, sometimes (even if what caused them to believe something was fabricated or incorrectly calculated in their brain) they may feel ashamed to admit being "wrong" and retracking their statement.

The thought has crossed my mind that if i was an enviornmentalist i would be very biased to WANT to believe global warming is not just real, BUT a GRAVE THREAT , because without something as big and scary as global warming on our side, enviornmentalists would never reach enough people to cause a change. Again this is human nature, to choose what evidence they want to believe, and which they want to disregard. However this does not mean global warming can't be a grave danger now. It just needs a critical look

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/GlobW ... start.html

here is an intresting global warming test

it is not the final definitive answer to something, but we should wonder who benefits from pushing global warming, and we should keep in mind, that sometimes when we go searching for answers and "truth" we may not like what we find.

A smart man once said the truth shall set you free, but first it may piss you off, that is because in this day and age the better you can deceive someone the better a profit you can make, the marketer feels no remorse for doing what he is doing, because it is socially acceptable and wealth = success. Granted there are a lot of liars out there and alot of great people out there, and hey alot of ignorant well meaning people just preach what they believe in their heart to their friends or family because it has made a positive impact in their lives and they want others to feel better (even though their are many different beleifs that work for a successful beleif system) . It comes down to people living with their own beliefs, what ever seems to work for them, and sometimes a truth comes along, and threatens to shake them out of their comfort zone, and they will fight it with a strong emotion, using words as their ammunition. This is nothing to feel ashamed of, it is simply an effect of being human.

it's too bad human psychology is studied so carefully and then surgically manipulated to make money. they say buyer beware, but when you live a busy life style sometimes you don't have all the time in the world to check everything out and if you place all your trust blindly in authority figures you may find that yes they are more knowledgeable and "intelligent" but this also makes it much easier to manipulate and succesfully deceive you (if they choose), the result is ignorance. history and human nature show the most sobering times are when the pain of ignorance is felt, not duruing the blissful period. this is the time that most people decide to change their minds.
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Re: Dr Gray says Global Warming Theory is "Ridiculous"

#7 Postby Squarethecircle » Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:55 pm

Regardless of what (or who) is causing global warming, I'm firmly against the belief that global warming will cause the end of humanity or whatever. There were period in the last ice age transition (or whatever the term is for that) that were warmer than this. Of course, global warming is not something to be mocked either, and even if it's not an immediate crisis (immediate meaning within several years), there are other major problems that we've caused that really have to be fixed anyway. And it's exactly right that the environmentalists need this kind of thing to get people motivated. Has anyone read "State of Fear"? Whether or not it's right about global warming, there are a lot of good points in there.
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Re: Dr Gray says Global Warming Theory is "Ridiculous"

#8 Postby x-y-no » Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:49 pm

Squarethecircle wrote:Regardless of what (or who) is causing global warming, I'm firmly against the belief that global warming will cause the end of humanity or whatever.


Is "the end of humanity" the standard something has to reach before it's a bad thing? Really?


There were period in the last ice age transition (or whatever the term is for that) that were warmer than this. Of course, global warming is not something to be mocked either, and even if it's not an immediate crisis (immediate meaning within several years), there are other major problems that we've caused that really have to be fixed anyway. And it's exactly right that the environmentalists need this kind of thing to get people motivated. Has anyone read "State of Fear"? Whether or not it's right about global warming, there are a lot of good points in there.


Yeah I read it and it really was an atrocious and grossly distorted hit job.
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