J.B. says 915 cat 5.....

[skysummit]

JB is da man. He pinpointed this Rita in infancy. I like the way he talked on Fox before the K storm scareing everyone. That is the only way some people listen.

This is my point....like it's a damn game or something. JB needs to calm down or one day he'll get hundreds of people killed.

Give me a break....He's still better than anyone on this board. I've said it before - many here act like the fan who watches a pro sporting event and acts like he could do a better job.

Ok, take a break. You got it. ....and there's at least a handful of mets on this board that I trust WAY more than JB. With only 70 something posts, you have lots of nerve saying that.

[wxwatcher2]

I'll give JB props for nailing Rita before it even formed. I heard him on FOX when he said that area near Puerto Rico would be in the Gulf as a storm.
To me, he's selling a product at accuweather and is too much of a cheerleader. Even on FOX he has to 'advertise' accuweather.com.

You know what, if it saves lives, with his over the top nervouse energy style fine.
He's just not my preference when it comes to weathermen.

[x-y-no]

Give me a break....He's still better than anyone on this board. I've said it before - many here act like the fan who watches a pro sporting event and acts like he could do a better job.

I disagree. I could name at least three participants on storm2k whom I consider significantly stronger forecasters than JB, and a few more who are at the very least comparable to him.

And my problem with JB is not his meteorological ability, but his attitude and some of the nonsense he has spouted about the NHC. You want to talk forecasting skill, the NHC kicks JB's butt, so all the snide remarks and eye-rolling he does is totally uncalled for.

[wxwatcher2]

JB does NOT rock or rule.....
If and it's a big IF he could tone down his act a few notches then I could and would begin to possibly listen to him.

I think underneath his huff and rough style is a fairly good MET. But he is way off and irresponsible way too much of the time to be considered a reliable source of information when lives and property are at stake.
IMO.
Just my opinion from what I've seen.

[wolfmmiii]

JB is da man. He pinpointed this Rita in infancy. I like the way he talked on Fox before the K storm scareing everyone. That is the only way some people listen.

This is my point....like it's a damn game or something. JB needs to calm down or one day he'll get hundreds of people killed.

Give me a break....He's still better than anyone on this board. I've said it before - many here act like the fan who watches a pro sporting event and acts like he could do a better job.

Ok, take a break. You got it. ....and there's at least a handful of mets on this board that I trust WAY more than JB. With only 70 something posts, you have lots of nerve saying that.

I fail to see where any number of posts has anything to do with it? Please......

[skysummit]

JB is da man. He pinpointed this Rita in infancy. I like the way he talked on Fox before the K storm scareing everyone. That is the only way some people listen.

This is my point....like it's a damn game or something. JB needs to calm down or one day he'll get hundreds of people killed.

Give me a break....He's still better than anyone on this board. I've said it before - many here act like the fan who watches a pro sporting event and acts like he could do a better job.

Ok, take a break. You got it. ....and there's at least a handful of mets on this board that I trust WAY more than JB. With only 70 something posts, you have lots of nerve saying that.

I fail to see where any number of posts has anything to do with it? Please......

Simply because there are a lot better mets on this board than JB will ever become. Stay around for a while and you'll figure that out.

[wolfmmiii]

Give me a break....He's still better than anyone on this board. I've said it before - many here act like the fan who watches a pro sporting event and acts like he could do a better job.

I disagree. I could name at least three participants on storm2k whom I consider significantly stronger forecasters than JB, and a few more who are at the very least comparable to him.

And my problem with JB is not his meteorological ability, but his attitude and some of the nonsense he has spouted about the NHC. You want to talk forecasting skill, the NHC kicks JB's butt, so all the snide remarks and eye-rolling he does is totally uncalled for.

That's fine and you are entitled to your opinion, as am I. The JB bashing gets so old. The guy is a professional. How long have those 3 participants been forcasting and how long have you feen following their forcasts vs JB? Who do they forcast for? Are they employed professionals in their field?

Aside from anecdotal evidence from what appears to be mostly anti-JB people, what physical proof is there that JB's forcasts, overall, are any worse than NHC or anyone here or vice versa?

For all the huffing and puffing people do here when someone posts an opinion about a storm without supporting facts, there's lots of opinions about JB with little to no supporting evidence (aside from the fact that he's animated).

Someone show me evidence that he is not a good, pro met vs thos eon this board or the NHC and I'll relent. Until then, people need to give the guy a break.

As for his attitude, he's an employee for Accuweather - what do you expect? Would I expect a Ford dealer to go out on the airwaves and praise Chevy? Probably not.

[x-y-no]

That's fine and you are entitled to your opinion, as am I. The JB bashing gets so old. The guy is a professional. How long have those 3 participants been forcasting and how long have you feen following their forcasts vs JB? Who do they forcast for? Are they employed professionals in their field?

I read JB daily for a few years, including beta testing Pro and subscribing to it for a while. The people I'm referring to here are pro mets, for the most part. A couple of strong amateurs. Read the analysis forum, several post there.

Aside from anecdotal evidence from what appears to be mostly anti-JB people, what physical proof is there that JB's forcasts, overall, are any worse than NHC or anyone here or vice versa?

Well that's real difficult to do because in all the time I was reading JB daily, he never once did a real storm track forecast with times, positions, and intensities. But he did regularly offer general track and landfall ideas which in my experience were not as reliable a guide as the NHC forecasts.

I'm told he now does publish a forecast track in his column. I've asked repeatedly for some subsciber to post just his forcast track numbers here so we can do verification of them. Nobody has obliged. Perhaps you would do that for us?

Someone show me evidence that he is not a good, pro met vs thos eon this board or the NHC and I'll relent. Until then, people need to give the guy a break.

I didn't say he's not a good meteorologist. I said he hasn't exhibited the skill the NHC has doing tropical forecasts, and given that his constant attacks on them are unwarranted and unacceptable.

As for his attitude, he's an employee for Accuweather - what do you expect? Would I expect a Ford dealer to go out on the airwaves and praise Chevy? Probably not.

That's right ... he works for slaccuweather, that estimable organization which (for example) had Ophelia going west across Florida, and proudly displayed a graphic contrasing that track with the NHC's (and then abruptly flip-flopped to the NHC track and erased any trace of their earlier idiocy). That wonderful organization which is using its pet senator to attempt theft from the public on a monumental scale.

Good point.

[wolfmmiii]

I wish I could post his data but I don't subscribe so I can't even really say I'm a supporter of his or even a fan for that matter.

I'd love to verify also.

Don't get me wrong, there may be a few here who ARE good and have the right to challenge him BUT - I guess my more specific complaint is about those many "Yeah - he sucks because so and so said he sucks" people who otherwise would have no idea who he is or what he does.

Remember something about him. It's not HIS idea to go along with Santorum. He's just an employee - he has no say. Blaming JB for Accuweather's stance is like other countries blaming ME for my country's policies. (not making a political point....just using it as an example). I, by MYSELF, do not make policy just as JB, by himself, doesn't set Accuweather policy.

[x-y-no]

Remember something about him. It's not HIS idea to go along with Santorum. He's just an employee - he has no say. Blaming JB for Accuweather's stance is like other countries blaming ME for my country's policies. (not making a political point....just using it as an example). I, by MYSELF, do not make policy just as JB, by himself, doesn't set Accuweather policy.

I understand that perfectly well. But in both his video and his column, at those times I had access to them, he would regularly make snide comments about the NHC, and he is responsible for that.

[Hfcomms]

I'm sorry but here's another poster with very few post's so you can discount what I have to say.

Some of you need to get your heads out of your ass. This storm could be as bad as Katrina with thousands killed or worse and your arguing about a meteorologist?? Are you living in reality or not?? The guy may or may not be a pompous jackass but what does it matter??

Those of you in harms way need to get out of danger asap and the rest of us would be well advised not to tie up the bandwith with useless chatter about personalities. Good grief...besides the human toll, the nation is almost in bankruptcy already and another huge storm might send us over the edge. Not to mention the remain oil pipeline and refining capability is at risk with this storm.

Let's all focus on what's really important now and leave the personality profiles for another time. If JB was just blowing smoke and this storm was going to peter out then yes criticism is warranted for getting people worried over nothing. But, perhaps if more people were banging their shoes on their desks and screaming at the tops of their lungs before Katrina more people could be saved.

How can anyone in Texas, witnessing what Katrina did three weeks ago disdainfully snuff and think that a storm already approaching Cat 5 and dead set aimed at them is going to veer off or weaken at the last minute.

[wolfmmiii]

Remember something about him. It's not HIS idea to go along with Santorum. He's just an employee - he has no say. Blaming JB for Accuweather's stance is like other countries blaming ME for my country's policies. (not making a political point....just using it as an example). I, by MYSELF, do not make policy just as JB, by himself, doesn't set Accuweather policy.

I understand that perfectly well. But in both his video and his column, at those times I had access to them, he would regularly make snide comments about the NHC, and he is responsible for that.

I can't disagree with that. It IS less than professional, no doubt. Not sure it warrants the immediate a harsh bashing that occurs any time his name is mentioned here though.

[canegrl04]

Even our local met said that becasue of the high over texas,forecasting Rita's track has been easier than most And its not usually a stretch to say a cane in this area could become a 5

[feederband]

I don't have a problem with him.....

[bigpoppy]

Sorry, I haven't posted in about a year, so I have no right getting in on this conversation. I started reading JB's column about 5 years ago (when it was free). IMHO you cannot compare Joe to the NHC. When a storm is established nobody compares to the NHC. If you truly want to appreciate what JB does though, when was the last time the TPC predicted a storm would form in an area where there wasn't even a cloud in the sky? That's not their mission.

That's what JB is good for. However he is very slow to give up on his ideas once he establishes them, while the NHC as the governing body will change every 6 hours because their job is to protect life and property. JB is a meterologist.