Abstract Thought: Is a Typhoon Tip Possible in the Atlantic

[Cyclenall]

If the user HalloweenGale told us that then we would understand that better. It makes more sense now but I find it hard to beileve that happened. A track of that would be great so we can see how Gay made a round.

So Gay became a Tropical Cyclone after he was an Ex-Tropical Low that caused the December 1992 Gale?

[AJC3]

If the user HalloweenGale told us that then we would understand that better. It makes more sense now but I find it hard to beileve that happened. A track of that would be great so we can see how Gay made a round.

So Gay became a Tropical Cyclone after he was an Ex-Tropical Low that caused the December 1992 Gale?

Nah, once it became XTROP, it stayed that way.

[P.K.]

Its remnants then formed into a massive storm off the Aleutian Islands of Alaska. After reforming again in British Columbia and crossing California, it gave birth to another low in Texas. Then on December 11th, 1992, this storm traveled east and became a great "Noreaster" along the U.S. East Coast with 90 mile an hour wind gusts.[/i]

It then appears from the NCEP reanalysis to have formed yet another low in the North Atlantic on the 16th Dec which then went to pass to the NW of the UK at sub 965hPa on the 18th Dec. Now the Free University of Berlin who give names to all areas of high and low pressure over Europe certainly would not have referred to this as it's original TC name as it was not the original extratropical storm. I'm not sure how far you can follow it and still say its remnants of an ex tropical system really.

[AJC3]

Its remnants then formed into a massive storm off the Aleutian Islands of Alaska. After reforming again in British Columbia and crossing California, it gave birth to another low in Texas. Then on December 11th, 1992, this storm traveled east and became a great "Noreaster" along the U.S. East Coast with 90 mile an hour wind gusts.[/i]

It then appears from the NCEP reanalysis to have formed yet another low in the North Atlantic on the 16th Dec which then went to pass to the NW of the UK at sub 965hPa on the 18th Dec. Now the Free University of Berlin who give names to all areas of high and low pressure over Europe certainly would not have referred to this as it's original TC name as it was not the original extratropical storm. I'm not sure how far you can follow it and still say its remnants of an ex tropical system really.

Conventional thinking is that you can as long as there is some temporal continuity in the SLP and/or vorticity fields.

BTW...I should have already have it bookmarked, but could provide me the link to the NCEP reanalysis site. I was looking to use it since our office archive of "Daily Weather Maps" only goes back to '94.

[Patrick99]

This is from wilma....What a storm!

IN ADDITION TO THE SPECTACULAR CLOUD PATTERN OBSERVED ON SATELLITE
...AN AIR FORCE RECONNAISSANCE PLANE MEASURED 168 KNOTS AT 700 MB
AND ESTIMATED A MINIMUM PRESSURE OF 884 MB EXTRAPOLATED FROM 700MB.
UNOFFICIALLY...THE METEOROLOGIST ON BOARD THE PLANE RELAYED AN
EXTRAPOLATED 881 MB PRESSURE AND MEASURED 884 MB WITH A DROPSONDE.
THIS IS ALL IN ASSOCIATION WITH A VERY SMALL EYE THAT HAS BEEN
OSCILLATING BETWEEN 2 AND 4 N MI DURING EYE PENETRATIONS. THIS IS
PROBABLY THE LOWEST MINIMUM PRESSURE EVER OBSERVED IN THE ATLANTIC
BASIN AND IS FOLLOWED BY THE 888 MB MINIMUM PRESSURE ASSOCIATED
WITH HURRICANE GILBERT IN 1988.

Wilma certainly is the queen of all storms beating out Katrina in my opinion....Florida is lucky it stayed over the Yucatan while I did and there was some shear from a strong trough or else a CAT 4+ easily into South Florida.

Based on satellite pics, I still think Wilma, Gilbert & even Mitch *looked* better than Tip.

Wilma beats 'em all, IMO.

[wjs3]

AJC:

Is this what you're looking for?

http://www.cdc.noaa.gov/Composites/Hour/

Links are on that page to daily composites, etc.

WJS3

[Audrey2Katrina]

Wilma certainly is the queen of all storms beating out Katrina in my opinion

Wilma was unquestionably the most intense in the basin, and I give you the most awesome looking when she had that pinhole eye... a beautiful thing to see, but God help those in her way. But in my book, for obvious reasons, albeit with a female name, Katrina will always be the King of storms for the GOM, Category ranking notwithstanding.

Based on satellite pics, I still think Wilma, Gilbert & even Mitch *looked* better than Tip.

I have to agree.. while truly ENORMOUS in size.. even NOAA sites have her filling up the entire Western US, not nearly as "photogenic" as the ones you've cited, and as much as I HATE her, I'd say Katrina at her peak was also a much better "looking" storm.

Wilma beats 'em all, IMO.

In terms of sheer awe appearing, I'd have to agree.

A2K

[Hybridstorm_November2001]

Getting back to the main topic: I think Tip is Possible in the Atlantic, but the chance is very very small due to the size of Ocean needed to generate such a monster storm (and thus the area of low shear needed, and all the heat needed as fuel to keep it going).

[Audrey2Katrina]

Getting back to the main topic: I think Tip is Possible in the Atlantic, but the chance is very very small due to the size of Ocean needed to generate such a monster storm (and thus the area of low shear needed, and all the heat needed as fuel to keep it going).

For all those reasons, and a few others, I think the chances on the high end of improbable. Perhaps not "impossible"... but very highly improbable.

A2K

[Jim Cantore]

thats pretty amazing, I want a satelitte shot of it lol

[wxmann_91]

Based on satellite pics, I still think Wilma, Gilbert & even Mitch *looked* better than Tip.

The sat pic posted here was not from Tip at its peak. Calamity has the image of Tip at its peak, which I should've saved the last time he posted it.

[Jim Cantore]

Based on satellite pics, I still think Wilma, Gilbert & even Mitch *looked* better than Tip.

The sat pic posted here was not from Tip at its peak. Calamity has the image of Tip at its peak, which I should've saved the last time he posted it.

I have it too

http://s55.photobucket.com/albums/g154/HurricaneFloyd1999/WPAC/?action=view&current=TIP.jpg

[wxmann_91]

thanks floyd

[Jim Cantore]

no problem

[Cyclenall]

Whoa, I've never seen Tip at it's peak but just some other ones at CAT4! That is very nice but not perfect. It looks like Hurricane Wilma when she weakened to a CAT4 but only with a smaller eye. Doesn't look 870 Mb but looks more Sub-900 Mb.

[wxmann_91]

Whoa, I've never seen Tip at it's peak but just some other ones at CAT4! That is very nice but not perfect. It looks like Hurricane Wilma when she weakened to a CAT4 but only with a smaller eye. Doesn't look 870 Mb but looks more Sub-900 Mb.

That doesn't look like it was exactly at peak, rather it looks like it's starting a ERC in the image posted. Still, I believe it was the morning after it peaked.

[Cyclenall]

Whoa, I've never seen Tip at it's peak but just some other ones at CAT4! That is very nice but not perfect. It looks like Hurricane Wilma when she weakened to a CAT4 but only with a smaller eye. Doesn't look 870 Mb but looks more Sub-900 Mb.

That doesn't look like it was exactly at peak, rather it looks like it's starting a ERC in the image posted. Still, I believe it was the morning after it peaked.

Well is there any image of it at true peak then? Also, how do you know that image isn't of Tip when it was at peak?

[Derek Ortt]

looks like a classic category 5 hurricane, no question about it at all.