Interesting quote comparing Camille to Katrina

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#81 Postby abajan » Tue Jun 27, 2006 4:47 am

f5 wrote:i wonder what what 175 mph sustained winds feels like over water like Katrina had.i also wonder what is feels like to the human body

Get into your convertible, put the top down, smash the windscreen and put the peddle to the metal! :lol:
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#82 Postby docjoe » Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:36 am

Regarding storms in the NGOM generally tending to low end cat 3s wasnt Frederic actually borderline Cat3/4 at or just prior to landfall. I seem to recall sustained winds of 115 knots. Please correct me if I am wrong...thanks

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#83 Postby Lindaloo » Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:51 am

I heard that Katrina developed a second eyewall which came close to Pascagoula, MS. Is this true?
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#84 Postby Pearl River » Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:52 am

Camille was actually strengthening as she approached the NGOM, she was not steady as most were. Also Camille was very compact, not large like Katrina.
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#85 Postby Pearl River » Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:54 am

Please ladies and gentlemen, it's CAMILLE, not CAMIELLE :wink:
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#86 Postby HurricaneBill » Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:51 pm

Pearl River wrote:Please ladies and gentlemen, it's CAMILLE, not CAMIELLE :wink:


CAMEL? :lol:
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Interesting quote....

#87 Postby sunnyday » Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:25 pm

Does anyone remember the hurricane party on the beach when Camille hit? Everyone in the house (hotel) was killed except for one person. What made those people stay there right on the beach with that monster coming in? I'll never forget that part of Camille....
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#88 Postby Pearl River » Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:51 pm

sunnyday wrote

Does anyone remember the hurricane party on the beach when Camille hit? Everyone in the house (hotel) was killed except for one person. What made those people stay there right on the beach with that monster coming in? I'll never forget that part of Camille....


I believe that party has been proven to be a myth now. According to the widow of Wade Guice, who was the Civil Defense Co-ordinator, the party was a hoax. The woman who claimed to have been the only survivor, from what I understand, has been in and out of prison many times.
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#89 Postby Frank P » Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:56 pm

The Hurricane Party... and now you know the rest of the story

One persistent legend about Camille states that a hurricane party was held on the third floor of the Richelieu Manor Apartments in Pass Christian, Mississippi, in the path of the eyewall as it made landfall. The high storm surge flooded and destroyed the building, and there was only one survivor to tell of the story of the others. Who the survivor is, how many party guests there were, and just how far the sole survivor was swept by the storm varies with the retelling.

In reality, most of the people that stayed in the Richelieu Apartments survived, but there is heavy debate on whether or not there was a party. Interviews from the local TV news station, WLOX, interviewed people who claimed to have stayed in the Richelieu Apartments. Among the survivors was the manager, who supposedly stayed in the Manager's Office while the party was going on. The wall of the office collapsed, causing water to come in. The manager claimed to have used a nearby object to stay afloat on the water until the storm receeded. Though other people have claimed that the residents, exhausted from preparing the town to weather the storm, took refuge in the building not out of recklessness, but because it was believed to be one of the sturdiest buildings in the area. Survivor Ben Duckworth is quoted in Hurricane Camille: Monster Storm of the Gulf Coast as stating that the Richelieu was a designated civil defense air-raid shelter. However, their faith in the building's sturdiness was unfounded, as it was completely demolished by the storm. Twenty-three people are known to have stayed in the Richelieu Apartments during the hurricane, of whom eight died.

The tale of the lone survivor and the party appears to have originated with survivor Mary Ann Gerlach. Other survivors, including Duckworth and Richard Keller have expressed irritation at the story.[8][9] "The hurricane party never happened, nor were the number of deaths associated with the apartment inhabitants accurate," says Pat Fitzpatrick, Mississippi State University professor and author of Hurricanes: A Reference Handbook

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Camille
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#90 Postby bvigal » Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:17 pm

Goodness, that myth about the party has been used to encourage untold thousands to evacuate and not take a chance on storm surge! Not surprised to hear it was concocted. The book referenced sounds really good, will have to look for it in the library.

Just a word of caution to readers...I always try to corroborate anything on wikipedia. Their theory, that by letting the whole world freely edit the content, information will eventually attain accuracy, is just false logic. While much may be correct, one cannot ever be sure that it's any more accurate than popular folklore, the sway of current majority opinion, or the bias of the last content editor. :wink:
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#91 Postby timNms » Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:16 pm

I've also read that the story was a hoax, made up by Mary Ann. I have read that in several places, including a book on Camille that I have. I can't remember the title of it right now and can't get to it to check (It's packed with a lot of other things from our remodeling after katrina.... my son's room is still full of boxes LOL).
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#92 Postby sunnyday » Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:17 pm

It isn't true? The story was told on television almost immediately after Camille hit. We all were shocked to hear that anyone had a party on the beach at such a time!
I actually saw the woman who claimed to be the only survivor when she was interviewed on tv within the last year or so. She said that she had lived all this time with terrible guilt at being the only one to live. I remember seeing the "supposed" hotel photographed before the storm, and then there was a picture showing it gone. If it was a hoax, it was well done and still makes the rounds. I hate that I fell for it all these many years. :(
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#93 Postby Audrey2Katrina » Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:14 pm

While much may be correct, one cannot ever be sure that it's any more accurate than popular folklore, the sway of current majority opinion, or the bias of the last content editor.


The results of a recent study showed that Wikipedia, while having the potential for errors, has been shown to be almost on a par with Britannica with regard to accuracy of its articles. Most of the Wiki articles are footnoted with direct links to rather authoritative documentation to back up their claims. This by no means suggests they are beyond having it wrong, or, for that matter that it's any better than Brittanica; only that it's pretty reliable, all things considered, and best of all it's free. Your point is well taken, though, as I usually verify from several sources, as opposed to any one, before coming to my own conclusions.

Regarding the alleged "Hurricane Party"... it most definitely was a myth. I've seen it on specials I have on tape... including a documentary "Camille: Wind off the Water". and many, many other investigative sources... the story is simply an urban legend that persists in spite of a preponderance of evidence that it quite factually did NOT happen.

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#94 Postby f5 » Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:52 am

Lindaloo wrote:I heard that Katrina developed a second eyewall which came close to Pascagoula, MS. Is this true?


all that did was widen the surge and wind damage path.Katrina was the type of storm that knew how to inflict maximum damage
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#95 Postby Derek Ortt » Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:00 pm

the flight level data from 24 hours before landfall showed that the secondary wind maximum was always there, likely with a rainband. The only thing about Katrina that changed before landfall was a significant weakening of the eyewall, giving the appearance of a secondary eye wall
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#96 Postby SunnyThoughts » Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:38 pm

Great link to pictures of the destruction camille caused.

http://www.geocities.com/hurricanene/hu ... amille.htm
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