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unexplained beach erosion question

#1 Postby kpost » Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:55 am

i was hoping someone could tell me why this would happen.

Last night about 1.5 hours before high tide my family and i went on a beach walk in Indialantic, fl. (central east Fl.)
this beach is normally flat with a small grade slope. Last night it had a very pronounced slope and the a little farther south as we walked it actually had a wall (90 degree & looked cut it to the sand) about 1.5 to 2 foot high about 4 foot from the water line (where the surf was stopping) we have never seen anything like this since we have been here. we are going back today to see if anything has changed and we may take pics. We have not had any storms or good surf on the island here recently and this beach was normal earlier this week.
It was almost just like this only a little shorter about knee high to lower-mid thigh. i am 5'4" .
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The other thing we have noticed is that the loggerheads are nesting deeper into the dunes earlier this season they were right at and before the dunes now they are in the dunes. isn't there folklore about this? just out of curiosity.
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Re: unexplained beach erosion question

#2 Postby vbhoutex » Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:43 pm

That is very interesting. I have seen it in on the GOM before too and have never had a good explanation given. But it would appear to me that there is a pretty strong rip current involved with that if I am seeing the waves correctly. That may offer some explanation, but I certainly am not an expert concerning this type of thing. No loggerheads on the GOM where I have lived so can't help you there, but it sure sounds interesting that they are moving further inland with the eggs. They probably know/knew by instinct that they would be in danger if they laid them in their normal area. Of course we could conjecture on all sorts of things about the tropics, but I am not about to open that can!!!
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Re: unexplained beach erosion question

#3 Postby kpost » Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:27 pm

Thanks for replying, That pic is not of our beach it was just a good reference of how it looked. We have had little to no surf and not rip warnings so it is just really bizarre. we are going later to see if it is the same. If we had a good swell with shore pound and rip then i would understand, but like said before this is just odd. the turtle thing i just thought was neat, we go to watch them sometimes that is why we noticed. An i do believe animals know, my english mastiff never reacts to storms but when we lived in Ohio he flipped one day and started crying hysterically (165 Lb. Dog) and an hour later we had tornado warnings and one of my florida room windows and a door was ripped off.
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Re: unexplained beach erosion question

#4 Postby MiamiensisWx » Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:22 pm

In regards to the beach escarpment ("wall"), the local topography and long term accretion trends may play a significant role. I can attest to the fact as well, since I'm another resident along the eastern portion of the peninsula. Many dredged inlets along the east coast of the state have prevented the transportation of sand to locales further south. Sediments were typically transported via the long shore current, as disrupting inlets were not a factor prior to human intrusion/coastal management. I've visited Indialantic and the coastal regions of Brevard County, and research indicates the construction of the Port Canaveral inlet has resulted in decreasing accretion rates on adjacent beaches further south. Consequently, with decreasing accretion rates, erosion has become a much more significant threat in these areas. Indialantic and Cocoa Beach are prime examples. Another factor is the influence of offshore topography, which is constantly "in flux" and changes via non-human and human induced influences. The accretion rates along the east coast of Florida have always varied per each region, which corrobates with the influence of regional/localized topography. These "nuances" could definitely explain the formation of escarpments during minimal tides and wave action. As an aside, I've observed the formation of escarpments during periods of similar wave action to the event depicted in your photograph, so it does not require exceptionally severe wave action, high tides, a coastal/barotropic low, or the influence of a tropical/extratropical cyclone. Escarpments may form more readily on vulnerable beaches with decreasing accretion rates. Beaches that were recently eroded via wave action are also more susceptible to escarpments forming because of minor influences.

I've regularly encountered the "sea turtle nesting location/TC strike" theory as well. Although the behavior of wildlife is a definite and accurate indicator of changing conditions within the short term (i.e. several days prior to a TC), I don't believe it is a correlation with events or patterns beyond this time frame. Animals typically respond to changes in light, cloud cover, temp dewpoints, sea level pressures, and other short term facets. They can detect approaching surface fronts, thunderstorms, tropical/extratropical cyclones, etc. However, as mentioned, this applies to the short term. Any correlation with seasonal (long term) patterns is speculation, and it is likely false, though it is always an extremely intriguing topic of discussion. I believe variations of sea turtle nesting locations during each season is explained by the turtles' ability to detect changes in local topography and conditions at specific beaches. For example, if the turtles return to a specific beach that has experienced erosion during the preceding year(s), they may nest closer to the ocean or avoid that locale. On the other hand, if a relatively stable beach/dune structure is located, the turtles may nest more extensively on that beach. Congregations and densities of nests are greater. Consequently, nest variations are greater as well. In other words, the nests' locations may also expand further inland along the dune as well, when compared to an unstable/eroded beach with decreasing accretion rates.

Hopefully, I cleared the air...

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Re: unexplained beach erosion question

#5 Postby AJC3 » Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:35 pm

I suspect it may be simply mom nature reclaiming part of the beach renourishment that has taken place in that area over the past couple years. Winds and seas have been very, very tame along the Brevard beaches this summer, mostly 1-2feet.
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Re: unexplained beach erosion question

#6 Postby kpost » Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:45 pm

MiamiensisWx

Thank you for the insight it was very informative. We didn't think it meant anything it was just odd for something like that to happen so quickly. The turtle i just thought was neat with the fruit thread and all. i do listen to my dogs though. :lol:
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