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#21 Postby bvigal » Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:14 pm

Cyclenall wrote:That change has made it harder to find the threads faster. I do not like this at all, its very annoying.

09L.IKE ATL - Discussion

First, why is 09L there? This is useless information in a thread title and new people don't follow the NRL usually. I liked it when it showed what status the system was like TD, TS, and hurricane.


I can answer 2 questions.
1. The 09 is there for when it's a depression, and doesn't have a name.
2. AL is for not everyone who may know what basin a storm is in, also, if one wants to quickly catch up on Atlantic ONLY, it makes it easy to skip over the others.

But it isn't exactly what I suggested. The scheme I suggested was to put left-most that which does not change, same way standardized databases, catalogues, libraries, etc. have been done for years. For generations it has been found to be the easiest for the MOST people. (Must we re-invent the wheel?)

The example I gave is for the SAME storm, as it progresses:
ATL:99-INVEST - Discussion
ATL:10-NONAME TD - Discussion
ATL:10-JOSEPINE TS - Discussion
ATL:10-JOSEPINE C3 - Discussion - (blahblah latest)

Once it gets declared (ATL:10-) will NEVER change through the life of the storm.
ATL:10-JOSEPHINE <---- that's what I look for.
After that, tell me if it's a Tropical Storm, Category 1, etc, and
THEN tell what topic (Discussion, Recon, "plane on the way" etc.)

Why would I want to read through the words "Tropical Storm" to get to Ike, Hanna, Jo, when next time I look, one might be "Hurricane". If when I left for work, it was TD 10 (ATL:10-NONAME), then I know exactly what I'm seeing when I get home and login and it's upgraded (ATL:10-Josephine TS). All the mods would need to replace is the letters "NONAME" with "JOSEPHINE TS", and later TS with C1, C2, etc. That is the LEAST amount of work for them. And let's face it, they have more than enough work to do already! ;-)

p.s. Actually H1,H2, etc. is fine, too.
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#22 Postby bvigal » Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:28 am

Yesterday I make a snapshot of Actives menu, pasted into Word, where I was able to edit the text (below) to demonstrate my suggestion. I can't take credit for the idea, it is what NOAA already uses as filenaming convention, with the TD,TS,H1, etc added on. I took some liberties for demonstration purposes, changed Kyle back to category 1, and Jangmi to C5. So in reality, Kyle would display as "AT11: Kyle - TS", etc. With the nice big picture S2K has that shows all the systems on the map, it should be easy for new folks to figure out the system. For everyone else (mods and regular viewers) it would seem to save time. Image
Just wondering, which do you guys think is easier to read?
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#23 Postby Chacor » Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:31 am

Sorry, I am opposed to any system which does not follow official convention (JMA official in WPac, not ATCF/JTWC).
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#24 Postby Mattie » Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:43 am

I have a request. Can the "notify my when a reply is posted" be defaulted to No (or unchecked) and if you want the e-mail you have to check the box? I would forget when I made a post and spend hours deleting all the "you have been notified" e-mails.

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#25 Postby Chacor » Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:44 am

Mattie wrote:I have a request. Can the "notify my when a reply is posted" be defaulted to No (or unchecked) and if you want the e-mail you have to check the box? I would forget when I made a post and spend hours deleting all the "you have been notified" e-mails.

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#26 Postby bvigal » Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:51 am

Chacor wrote:Sorry, I am opposed to any system which does not follow official convention (JMA official in WPac, not ATCF/JTWC).

Other than "08" for year which they put in front of the 2-digit number for the storm, I'm not aware it differs that much, except basin designation. Japan uses simply "W" to denote west pacific. The idea supported by US Navy was to address all oceans. What's wrong with a scheme consistant for the entire globe, i.e. WP, CP, EP, AT, IO, SH? Chacor, can you give an example, so I can learn more? Thanks!
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#27 Postby Chacor » Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:57 am

bvigal wrote:
Chacor wrote:Sorry, I am opposed to any system which does not follow official convention (JMA official in WPac, not ATCF/JTWC).

Other than "08" for year which they put in front of the 2-digit number for the storm, I'm not aware it differs that much, except basin designation. Japan uses simply "W" to denote west pacific. The idea supported by US Navy was to address all oceans. What's wrong with a scheme consistant for the entire globe, i.e. WP, CP, EP, AT, IO, SH? Chacor, can you give an example, so I can learn more? Thanks!


Japan doesn't use "W" at all. That's a U.S. thing. Their scheme is unilateral. Storms in Meteo-France's area are numbered with an R; on the U.S. system it's just a generic "SH" or "S" (South Indian). None of the international centres are on this scheme.

Also, JMA does not use the SS scale. I don't see why we should for WPac storms. Same with North Indian ("BOB 01" or "ARB 01" etc) – no SS scale there either. They don't number cyclones to my knowledge in Australia. Fiji uses an "F" for numbering but they use the Australian scale on gusts.

I could go on, but the point is that there is no universal system scale wise or numbering wise.
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#28 Postby hial2 » Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:01 am

Chacor wrote:Well, we already use "STS" occasionally for that, so...



Doesn't STS stand for Sub Tropical Storm?
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#29 Postby Chacor » Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:02 am

hial2 wrote:
Chacor wrote:Well, we already use "STS" occasionally for that, so...



Doesn't STS stand for Sub Tropical Storm?


Not in the Western North Pacific and the Southwest Indian Ocean. STS = Severe Tropical Storm (48-63 kt).
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#30 Postby Category 5 » Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:13 am

I have a request.

Check your facts before posting.

We should use whatever system that particular basin uses, period.
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#31 Postby bvigal » Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:19 am

Chacor wrote:
bvigal wrote:
Chacor wrote:Sorry, I am opposed to any system which does not follow official convention (JMA official in WPac, not ATCF/JTWC).

Other than "08" for year which they put in front of the 2-digit number for the storm, I'm not aware it differs that much, except basin designation. Japan uses simply "W" to denote west pacific. The idea supported by US Navy was to address all oceans. What's wrong with a scheme consistant for the entire globe, i.e. WP, CP, EP, AT, IO, SH? Chacor, can you give an example, so I can learn more? Thanks!


Japan doesn't use "W" at all. That's a U.S. thing. Their scheme is unilateral. Storms in Meteo-France's area are numbered with an R; on the U.S. system it's just a generic "SH" or "S" (South Indian). None of the international centres are on this scheme.

Also, JMA does not use the SS scale. I don't see why we should for WPac storms. Same with North Indian ("BOB 01" or "ARB 01" etc) – no SS scale there either. They don't number cyclones to my knowledge in Australia. Fiji uses an "F" for numbering but they use the Australian scale on gusts.

I could go on, but the point is that there is no universal system scale wise or numbering wise.

Thanks, Chaco! That's funny, I though I was on the JMA site when I found that "W" in a format explaination, but can't find the page now, so have no idea where I saw it. US system I referred to use WP, CP, EP for Pacific. They use IO for Indian Ocean, and SH for southern hemisphere.

Point well taken about SS scale not used elsewhere. We could simply leave it off other basins. But the fact remains, the threads contain the wording "tropical storm" or "tropical depression" and "TS" or "TD" is much shorter and neater. To be conventional, we would have to leave off both, would we not? Maybe once it is classed, hurricane/typhoon/cyclone just don't say anything after the name? But I'll tell you the truth, because I grew up hearing/watching NHC system, it means more to me to see a SS rating on a WP storm - saves me a lot of linking and looking to find out how strong it is. My guess is, about 99% of the people reading here have been exposed to the SS scale.

So my question remains, if there is no universal convention, can you give an example, each basin and type of storm, of what you think the titles should read?
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#32 Postby Chacor » Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:30 am

Numbering should be left off unless in the depression name imo. The old system worked fine for me. I cannot see how you could possibly standardise abbreviating storm strength, with the different category scales in different basins. I am solidly opposed to using the SSHS for storms in basins the SSHS is not used.

If it has to be shortened, I'd prefer the acceptable ATL, CPAC, EPAC, WPAC, BOB, ARB, SWIO, SEIO and SWPac for the basins, but as above I see no way that a standard abbreviation for storm strength categories can be found (outside of the SSHS and the WPAC TD/TS/STS/TY).

People will not understand what a ZD (Zone of Disturbed Weather, SWIO) or VITC (Very Intense Tropical Cyclone, SWIO) stands for. Not to mention the fact that some categories have the same initials, like Tropical Disturbance v.s. Tropical Depression in the SWIO or Severe Cyclonic Storm v.s. Super Cyclonic Storm in the North Indian Ocean.
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#33 Postby Mattie » Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:08 pm

Chacor wrote:
Mattie wrote:I have a request. Can the "notify my when a reply is posted" be defaulted to No (or unchecked) and if you want the e-mail you have to check the box? I would forget when I made a post and spend hours deleting all the "you have been notified" e-mails.

Thanks for your consideration.


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I am unable to locate anything that specifically addresses that. I see the option where administrators can send me an e-mail though. If that is it, I wouldn't mind being contacted by administrators, just want to be able to choose on/off for replies to posts. Please let me know. I appreciate your assistance.
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#34 Postby bvigal » Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:49 pm

Mattie wrote:
Chacor wrote:
Mattie wrote:I have a request. Can the "notify my when a reply is posted" be defaulted to No (or unchecked) and if you want the e-mail you have to check the box? I would forget when I made a post and spend hours deleting all the "you have been notified" e-mails.

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I am unable to locate anything that specifically addresses that. I see the option where administrators can send me an e-mail though. If that is it, I wouldn't mind being contacted by administrators, just want to be able to choose on/off for replies to posts. Please let me know. I appreciate your assistance.

Mattie, I think you can set it in User Control Panel/Edit Posting Defaults - "Notify me upon replies by default"
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If that doesn't solve the problem, check in Manage Subscriptions.
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#35 Postby Mattie » Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:35 pm

Mattie, I think you can set it in User Control Panel/Edit Posting Defaults - "Notify me upon replies by default"
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That did the trick!! Thank you - I just totally missed that. Thanks again!!!
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