Is the Complaceny about Hurricanes Back?

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Re: Is the Complaceny about Hurricanes Back?

#21 Postby WeatherEmperor » Sat May 25, 2013 5:09 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:
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SFLcane wrote:Plently of complacency here across southern florida in my view with most storms recurving last couple seasons. Its been 22 years since a significant hurricane strike across dade/broward counties.

i do think Florida has an above normal risk this year as I forsee the pattern featuring a trough over the Lakes but yet an active western Atlantic Ridge. This would steer storms close to the southeast coast. Very active capeverde season with 04 type tracks.


Hi there,

Interesting information about the pattern. I need some help on this because up until now, I have only seen trof after trof move off the east coast. One just came through that gave us all the rain in south florida. Will this pattern change to more ridging during the heart of the hurricane season?

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Wouldn't a trough pattern be tough on early and late season storms though that may form in the Gulf and western Caribbean? That would just send them towards Florida...



Hello there. That is a good point. However, I quoted his post where he said that there could be a great lakes trough and also a stronger west atlantic ridge. I was just curious what his thoughts on this were considering we have seen a lot of east coast troughs so far. But I think you are right because if there is a big ridge, florida is at higher risk for being struck by a cape verde cyclone and if there is more troughs, florida is at risk by the early and late season west caribbean cyclones. Good point. i didnt really think about it that way

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#22 Postby Hurricane Jed » Sat May 25, 2013 5:41 pm

Time will tell when some of these places that haven't bit hit in awhile are hit again. i.e. Texas and Florida.
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Re: Is the Complaceny about Hurricanes Back?

#23 Postby chaser1 » Tue May 28, 2013 1:14 pm

SFLcane wrote:Plently of complacency here across southern florida in my view with most storms recurving last couple seasons. Its been 22 years since a significant hurricane strike across dade/broward counties.

i do think Florida has an above normal risk this year as I forsee the pattern featuring a trough over the Lakes but yet an active western Atlantic Ridge. This would steer storms close to the southeast coast. Very active capeverde season with 04 type tracks.


I tend to agree that here in S. Florida, many are somewhat complacent. I do think that the majority of those who I have spoken to are certainly more cognizant of the risks than before, but that does not necessarily translate into being better prepared for such an event - and this is really where concerns lie. "Knowing" about a risk, and the effort (or cost) to obtain certain resources in the event of dealing with the reeling impacts from a hurricane landfall, are two different things. I do have a sense though, that more people have a better anticipation of actions they will take if a hurricane approaches. Over the past few years, it seems evident to me that commercial interests (office parks, condominium associations, etc) are more attune to some level of preparation and most seem to conduct the necessary tree pruning each season. Other steps I am aware include some (or all?) gas stations and super markets to have installed emergency power (generator) back up systems in the event of power outages. I do not know how well tested these systems have been or answers to how fuel can/will be available for these back up systems, but in theory these steps would better aid in aftermath access to food, water, & supplies (well, unless a Cat. 5 hits! - then what??).

As I see it, there has been a greater trending of a Eastern Conus & W. Atlantic ridge at the steering levels which does lead me to also think that Florida is at an above normal risk this year and will prepare accordingly. Whether or not I am right is a moot point. For the discussion of preparedness, it is irrelevant whether I, NHC, or a Palm Reader can accurately predict who might be impacted by a hurricane landfall. Second guessing the weather, political events, or even whether we'll quite get to the next gas station on the fumes remaining in the tank.... :wink: is all part of our human nature. Regardless of forecast or regardless of "lull", inherent risk comes with the territory of living in any potential hurricane impact zone. No one should fault those willing to assume that risk, but then at some point there has got to be some personal accountability for doing so as well. Each of us need make those appropriate preparations for ourselves as well as a stepped plan of action that does not leave each of us scrambling at the last minute with the wind already starting to blow.

Most of us here range from "weather buffs to "weather experts" and have a greater awareness of the severe impacts that a hurricane (or other severe weather, eg. Oklahoma tornados) can cause. Perhaps if the "uninitiated", newly transplanted residents, tourists, the elderly, or the general public as a whole were to AT MINIMUM have a "Risk Plan" in place, than that alone might alleviate loss of life. During a severe weather event, often the greatest risk occurs when people have no plan, can't decide whether to stay or leave, and end up making a last moment decision that causes them to risk getting caught traveling when not safe to drive. Other issues include getting caught in severe traffic by those others who have waited to the last moment. Other risks caused by indecision involve the last moment decision to leave but because of weather conditions, bridge closings, downed power lines & trees, etc. emergency officials may have no way to get to someone to help.

A "risk plan" could be as simple as having already thought out (and communicated with others) the coarse of action that one will take when an immediate "stay or go" decision arises. Know "where" you will go and "what" basic items that you would anticipate taking with you If one at least acknowledges the potential risk of one day having to leave in a hurry, than perhaps a very small amount of clothes, medicine, personal items can be pre-stored at an already determined family member or friends home. There should be a "plan a" and a "plan b" so if the person that you planned on staying with during the threat of a hurricane were out of town and/or simply not home, than a second planned location should also be pre-determined and planned for. Pets also need to be taken into account when making this plan. Shelters will not typically allow pets, friends/family might have concerns or allergies to them as well, and finally food/water need to be also be taken into account for pets too. Then, at an already decided level of risk (Storm Warning, Hurricane Watch, or Hurricane Warning) one then simply need anticipate the time necessary to secure outside items, gather important papers (bank/financial records, birth/death/marriage certificates, personal I.D., legal paperwork, important letters, notes, photos, etc), try to have a two week supply of medications, cash, communication equipment such as laptop for email, cell phone, etc (and some plan or way to charge a cell phone, laptop etc should the power go out where you will be), and finally, before leaving...... make sure to do two more important things-
1) Provide at least 3 other people with your contact info & email, as well as the name, address, contact info of the person you plan on staying with
2) simply shut off unnecessary gas or electric to reduce the risk of fire


Time and space must at some point limit the amount of "stuff" that one can reasonably gather and take with them. As an oversight, I inadvertently may have left out other items or points of information that could be equally critical to others. I encourage anyone to amend or add any other items/information that could also be important. If each of our own conversations, this thread, or any other means somehow cause even one or two others to simply take 20 extra minutes to contemplate what they might do, or use this plan as a refrigerator magnet reminder, a disaster plan tool that a property manager could use, or simply share with a friend or family member....than we will have done as much as "we" responsibly can for ourselves or others.

At the end of the day, we neither possess the power to control the actions of all, the preventive measures by some, nor where any one hurricane might strike. Beyond our best intentions and efforts, what remains is our banter, observations, opinions, or our own & others' forecast regarding the upcoming hurricane season. Regardless how it all finally plays out, our posts are merely letters and words blowing in the wind. :wink:
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Re: Is the Complaceny about Hurricanes Back?

#24 Postby mitchell » Tue May 28, 2013 1:37 pm

Mid Atlantic is currently not suffering from a lack of complacency due to Hurricane Sandy. Its pretty amazing to see to sudden urgent level of interest in higher building standards, insurance issues, and evacuation planning.

...and then realizing that 2-3 seasons without experiencing any impacts to us, or nearby states, and the complacency will come back. It always does.
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Re: Is the Complaceny about Hurricanes Back?

#25 Postby BUCMAN48 » Tue May 28, 2013 1:38 pm

There is no doubt in my neck of the woods in Tampa that people are very complacent about a direct hit since it has been since 1921 that we have had one. Some still feel the "protective shield" will save us forever. So many people have no clue what a 70
mph wind sustained feels like so some may be in for a rude awakening if the shield:) ever breaks down.
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Re: Is the Complaceny about Hurricanes Back?

#26 Postby Bizzles » Tue May 28, 2013 3:09 pm

mitchell wrote:Mid Atlantic is currently not suffering from a lack of complacency due to Hurricane Sandy. Its pretty amazing to see to sudden urgent level of interest in higher building standards, insurance issues, and evacuation planning.

...and then realizing that 2-3 seasons without experiencing any impacts to us, or nearby states, and the complacency will come back. It always does.

Agreed. Irene and Sandy have NJ watching the tropics, but we are people of little patience/attention span. IF this season goes by with little but a whimper I'd expect to be right back in 2010 status.
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Re: Is the Complaceny about Hurricanes Back?

#27 Postby Janie2006 » Wed May 29, 2013 12:43 pm

I'm not going to say complacency is on the increase, because it all balances out....in some places people are complacent because there hasn't been a direct strike or near miss in many years and in other places people aren't complacent at all. However, I will say that people in general lack historical memory, so I'm never surprised when a new generation says or thinks that "it can't happen here", when it obviously *can*.

Sandy and Katrina are perfect examples of this phenomena. During Katrina some died because their house survived Camille, only to discover to their everlasting regret that every storm is different and has its own hazards....no, the house didn't survive Katrina's surge, nor did the owners. People were astonished by Sandy....why were they surprised? After all, there was ample evidence that hurricanes can and do strike the mid-Atlantic and Northeast.
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Re: Is the Complaceny about Hurricanes Back?

#28 Postby Ptarmigan » Wed May 29, 2013 2:45 pm

Depends where you are. The Northeast is likely not as complacent from Sandy.
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Re: Is the Complaceny about Hurricanes Back?

#29 Postby GeneratorPower » Wed May 29, 2013 3:49 pm

I grew up in Florida, then left for a time. But I'm back in Fort Myers now and I will tell you that it's not necessarily complacency as it is lack of experience.

I am in the emergency generator business. So I am on the front lines of people's attitudes about hurricanes. In fact, my business goes up or down based on how complacent people are. The problem right now is not that people are saying, "oh it will never come here". There is always some of that. But the real issue is so many people have moved into the state in 2006-2013. And without a major Charley/Frances/Ivan/Jeanne/Wilma hitting the state in that time period (7 years) many folks just simply haven't been through it.

I have personal, first hand experience with this. I know a wealthy man in his late 50s/early 60s; a business owner here in Estero, FL. He moved here in 2008 and has absolutely no hurricane plans. I asked him what his business continuity plan was, to which he replied, "oh, we'll just pack up and go to a hotel on the east coast." Excuse me? Fort Lauderdale isn't exactly a safe haven in event of a landfalling hurricane on the FL gulf coast. We have to remember that people just have no experience, and the ones who *think* they do probably just got brushed by the outer rain bands of Hurricane Jeanne and think that's what a hurricane is. Wrong.

In addition to complacency and lack of experience, there is also good old-fashioned ignorance. I was talking to a real estate salesperson here in Fort Myers last week, and I asked him if the commercial building he was selling had hurricane impact glass or if there were hurricane shutter panels. "Uh. Hold on, let me check." Five minutes later, he tells me no, there isn't. Furthermore he says it's not needed *this far inland*. For a building *4 miles from the beach* in Fort Myers Beach. He said that "all these trees around here really act as a windbreak". I kid you not.

So the moral of the story is that people are ignorant, inexperienced, and complacent to differing degrees. That is never going to change and we need to get used to it.
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Re: Is the Complaceny about Hurricanes Back?

#30 Postby Janie2006 » Thu May 30, 2013 10:51 am

4 miles inland, eh? Certainly there is a small percentage of reduction in windspeed due to trees, buildings and topography but he's fooling himself if he thinks 4 miles is all that much of a safety margin.

A cousin of mine lives about 5 miles inland at Gulfport, not terribly far from where Katrina made her final landfall. Presumably safe from surge if nothing else, right? Wrong. The surge naturally over-filled the bayous and streams, so that even 5 miles inland the water rose up past the window sill on the first floor of the house. The only word for the aftermath of that storm is.....surreal.
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