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No dump trucks, no Red Cross relief fund?

#1 Postby GalvestonDuck » Mon Sep 15, 2003 8:21 pm

This isn't pretty.

From http://www.msnbc.com/news/961894.asp?0cv=CA01 :

Lt. Col. Pete Brooks, a spokesman for the South Carolina National Guard, said more than a fifth of the state’s Army National Guard and Air Guard members were deployed to Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq and Cuba.
The deployment took the Guard’s best large dump trucks, backhoes and other heavy equipment with it. “The engineers we have here could operate chain saws, but most of their trucks are in Iraq,” Brooks told The State newspaper of Columbia.
Likewise, half of North Carolina’s 12,000 National Guard troops are either deployed or on active alert, state officials told The Associated Press.
The American Red Cross, meanwhile, said its Disaster Relief Fund was empty. Without an infusion of new donations, hurricane-hit East Coast residents could expect it to provide only the most immediate basic needs: food, clothing, shelter and medicine replacement.
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#2 Postby azsnowman » Mon Sep 15, 2003 8:23 pm

I saw that on MSNBC this morning, what a sad state of affairs indeed!

We ran into the same problem this past summer, with our last wildfire, no Az. Nat. Guard to help with evacuations etc.!

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#3 Postby paradoxsixnine » Mon Sep 15, 2003 8:23 pm

wtf??? :o
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#4 Postby Aquawind » Mon Sep 15, 2003 8:36 pm

I would like to think someone else heard that and decided to send over a few troops and equipment into the eventual landfall area.. at least survey the possibilities. That is not funny at all...Homeland Sercurity Help..They will need more than pickup trucks. :o :o
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#5 Postby deb_in_nc » Mon Sep 15, 2003 8:37 pm

Hey paradox. Where in the Piedmont are you? I was born in Greensboro.

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#6 Postby GalvestonDuck » Mon Sep 15, 2003 8:42 pm

Even though no one has slammed them (yet), I just wanted to say something in defense of the Red Cross (because they really got a bad rap after 9/11 and the to-do with how the funds were allocated -- The Red Cross responds to the smallest of disasters, even though they're only mentioned in the news during the big ones. Whenever there is a fire and someone loses their home, they are there with vouchers for things like clothes, food, toiletries, diapers, and other necessities, and a hotel room for a family to use in their time of crisis. And they assist the firefighters and rescue crews -- providing water, fruit, sandwiches, and other nourishment to keep the guys going. They're the ones that do some of the damage assessment to see what was lost and what can be recovered or repaired. They're the ones who help set up shelters for a mass influx of evacuees to any given area. And of course, they're the ones who have trained a lot of us in CPR, water rescue, and other lifesaving courses (as well as swimming and babysitting courses for teens).

Unless you write a check that specifically says something like "Hurricane Isabel relief" or whatever the cause may be, then the money that gets donated to your local Red Cross chapter stays in your county (or township or parish or however they're divided where you are) until they reach a certain fund goal. Money beyond that goes to the state Red Cross until they reach their budgetary goal. Then it goes to the National Red Cross. And yes, there's an international Red Cross and Red Crescent (for some Middle East countries).

So if you want to donate, be sure you specify where it should go if you prefer to help with Hurricane Isabel relief only.
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Re: No dump trucks, no Red Cross relief fund?

#7 Postby Scott_inVA » Mon Sep 15, 2003 9:01 pm

GalvestonDuck wrote:This isn't pretty.

From http://www.msnbc.com/news/961894.asp?0cv=CA01 :

Lt. Col. Pete Brooks, a spokesman for the South Carolina National Guard, said more than a fifth of the state’s Army National Guard and Air Guard members were deployed to Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq and Cuba.
The deployment took the Guard’s best large dump trucks, backhoes and other heavy equipment with it. “The engineers we have here could operate chain saws, but most of their trucks are in Iraq,” Brooks told The State newspaper of Columbia.
Likewise, half of North Carolina’s 12,000 National Guard troops are either deployed or on active alert, state officials told The Associated Press.
The American Red Cross, meanwhile, said its Disaster Relief Fund was empty. Without an infusion of new donations, hurricane-hit East Coast residents could expect it to provide only the most immediate basic needs: food, clothing, shelter and medicine replacement.


VA Guard is in "decent" shape. WTF with the Red Cross? I was just told they are short on funds (where'd all the 9/11 money go that didn't go to that disaster?) but have sufficient supplies for to assist FEMA advance teams after a TC. If this hits several metro areas, then we'd have a problem.

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#8 Postby capecodder » Mon Sep 15, 2003 9:03 pm

Excellent point made about the Red Cross. They truly need everyone's donations, so that they can staff shelters, etc.
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#9 Postby Pebbles » Mon Sep 15, 2003 9:23 pm

I would also like to encourage some of you to volunteer your time. Actually I found the red cross the easiest to do this with. Went in for a couple of hour long classes and was able to help with Floyd (and I was 6 months pregnant during the floods). I didn't have the financial means to help out at the time but found that helping others gave as much if not more so a feeling of accomplishment. Also you get to meet so many great people.

Almost all of the Red Cross personal on a disaster site from one family situations all the way up to a whole state disasters are volunteers and they are always looking for more.

Even if all you have is a day or two a year that's something to somebody!
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#10 Postby john186292 » Mon Sep 15, 2003 9:29 pm

I dont see voluntary donations as ever equal to the real need. In disasters, or everyday ongoing disasters that are ignored by the media...eg. the homeless. We need robust government funding for solid gov. agencies to do the job right. Gov. funding for the pentagon..natl. guard this case...is too low. Gov. funding for red cross type of help is nonexistant. Red cross must be supplemented by new Gov. agencies. Red cross clearly is threadbare. THe Gov. must fill the gap. Tax cuts? Madness. We need robust revenues to beef up the Pentagon's Army Reserve manpower and trucks, and to create a Disaster Agency to backup the threadbare Red Cross.
Don't fall for tax cuts. You will pay the price many ways...like after hurricanes.
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#11 Postby azsnowman » Mon Sep 15, 2003 9:30 pm

"AMEN!" GD..........the Red Cross came through like gang busters after the Rodeo Fire last year and again this year!

Pebbles, AMEN to your post too.......volunteering is a WONDERFUL feeling, anything you do, any *little* thing will make a HUGE difference in someone's life!

Dennis
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#12 Postby Anonymous » Mon Sep 15, 2003 9:42 pm

This is true about writing checks to the red cross. If you go to the sheriffs dept in your area you can get information on donating and packets to donate. Like for instance when we raise charity funds in this county for red cross we specify on the check that it is to go to "Bee County" ONLY! That way we are sure we always have funds, and it worked out with Hurricane Claudette we had many red cross vans and people here in this county passing out food and water to most of us that had no electricity for days on end. BTW: They even rented a few motel rooms for people to take showers and give the children bath's.
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#13 Postby Lindaloo » Mon Sep 15, 2003 9:57 pm

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Charities swung into action after the September 11 terrorist attacks, raising more than $1 billion. But questions are being raised about where and how and how much of that money is being distributed.

Bearing the brunt Tuesday during a hearing of the House Energy and Commerce Committee's oversight panel was outgoing Red Cross President Dr. Bernadine Healy.

The Red Cross has raised more than $564 million for the Liberty Fund, which was set up in response to the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

While the agency states on its Web site that it is spending more than any other relief agency responding to the terrorist attacks, it has distributed only $154 million.

Healy was hammered by one New York official for the Red Cross' decision to put aside nearly half of the money raised for future needs that may include terrorist attacks.

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Breakdown of charity money
"I see the Red Cross, which has raised hundreds of millions of dollars that was intended by the donating public to be used for the victims of September 11 -- I see those funds being sequestered into long-term plans for an organization," testified New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer.

Healy later told CNN the Red Cross was a service organization and that previous donations had prepared the agency to deal with September 11.

"We had planned for a weapon of mass destruction attack," she said. "We knew our obligations under the congressional charter. We knew it involved victim assistance and sheltering. We knew that it involved with dealing with rescue workers. We knew that it involved blood."

She also noted that some of the new funding went toward helping communities learn how to deal with other threats such as anthrax.

The hearing was contentious, with panel members trying to get at the issue of donor intent and whether the Red Cross misled donors.

"What's at issue here is that a special fund was established for these families. It was specially funded for this event, September 11," said Rep. Billy Tauzin, R-Louisiana.

"And it is being closed now because we are told enough money's been raised in it, but we're also being told, by the way, we're going to give two-thirds of it away to other Red Cross needs."

The subcommittee asked Healy and her agency to provide the exact language of all of its television and newspaper appeals for donations.

Healy said what the agency has learned is it needs to explain to the public the mission of the Red Cross.

"Don't confuse us with the 9/11 Fund in New York. Don't confuse us with Habitat for Humanity. Don't confuse us with the scholarship in New York for the victims. We have to get that out," she said.

Controversy over the Liberty Fund was one reason Healy decided to resign at year's end. But she defended the agency's decision of how to use the money.

"The Liberty Fund is a war fund. It has evolved into a war fund," she said."We must have blood readiness. We must have the ability to help our troops if we go into a ground war. We must have the ability to help the victims of tomorrow."


Elizabeth McLaughlin says keeping up with red tape required an 18-page spreadsheet.
A widow who lost her husband in the World Trade Center attack also complained to the panel that what money was available from various charities was tied up in red tape and confusion.

"Why then haven't these charities been able to get together and agree on one uniform application? Why haven't they been able to get together and develop a quicker way for families to receive these funds?" asked Elizabeth McLaughlin of Pelham, New York.

"We all have the missing persons reports, death certificates, and any other proof needed to avoid fraud. But the charities are not sharing these documents and information with each other," she testified in tears.

She told the panel that she had to construct an 18-page spreadsheet to try to keep track of all the requirements of various aid groups.

McLaughlin received a $27,000 check from the Red Cross but fears she may still lose her house without additional aid.

The Red Cross said it has helped 25,000 families with food and temporary shelter, counseling and cash assistance.
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#14 Postby john186292 » Mon Sep 15, 2003 10:10 pm

Bottom line is ..red cross is threadbare now.
Would never happen with good level of gov. revenues to a gov. agency. THe government can always raise the resources needed...from Bill Gates, if need be! LOL. We need Huey Long.
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#15 Postby Lindaloo » Mon Sep 15, 2003 10:15 pm

I know who Huey P. Long was. And I agree!! lol.

Oh, but I will never ever drive over the Huey P. Long Bridge EVER again. ;)
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#16 Postby john186292 » Tue Sep 16, 2003 1:14 am

So good to hear someone likes ol Huey...here's a tape recording of the great old guy.....link...
HUEY SPEAKS(text too)-share the wealth
"Share the Wealth": Huey Long Talks to the Nation http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5109/
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#17 Postby azsnowman » Tue Sep 16, 2003 7:01 am

Another *Johnny on the Spot* is the Salvation Army.....they jumped in with both feet during our evacuations etc..they helped those in need of financial assistance for everyday living expenses, electric bills, water bills etc, etc.

Dennis
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#18 Postby Lindaloo » Tue Sep 16, 2003 7:05 am

You are so right Dennis. The Salvation Army IMO is an organization that mostly goes un-noticed. They do alot for children at Christmas time. I especially like the "Angel Tree" at Christmas time.
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#19 Postby paradoxsixnine » Tue Sep 16, 2003 7:35 am

deb_in_fl wrote:Hey paradox. Where in the Piedmont are you? I was born in Greensboro.

Debbie



Debbie,
I'm in school in Greensboro (UNCG), but I live in Davidson County (Lexington), about 30 miles south.
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