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#101 Postby KWT » Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:34 am

ConvergenceZone wrote:Yep, I agree HURAKAN , looks like our SAL is back.....
not good for development down the road....


As I said before, take a look at what is coming off Africa, there is a storm line that has been over the Sahara so the air behind this current SAL must be somewhat more moist, because you simply wouldn't get storms otherwise.
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#102 Postby MiamiHurricanes10 » Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:09 am

The 06z GFS has it emerging way, way north...no wonder that it recurves it. Let's see what the more reliable 12z GFS run shows.
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Re: Strong wave in WestCentral Africa (Models develop it)

#103 Postby chaser1 » Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:13 am

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It's funny, everyone seems to champion one model verses another and yet I think each have tendencies and I tend to favor some for early indication of cyclogenisis and yet others, more for overall pattern as it relates to motion, wind shear, etc.

GFS has certainly been consistent lately, regarding the development of the wave over C. Africa. Latest 6Z would have the low off the African coast around 120 hr's. Given the recent "tweaking" to the model, along with it's normal tendency to give greater weight towards trough values, and then finally looking at ( and perhaps giving more credence towards ) the Euro upper air modeling......, I'm just not so quick to assume this system will re-curve prior to reaching 40W.

If this system does in fact emerge that far north, while deepening so fast ( as GFS depicts ) that we already have a potentially "named" storm "east" of the CV Islands...., well than I would guess that any 500mb troughiness at that longitude would certainly be cause for a N.W. motion off the bat. I think we first really need to sit back, have a glass of wine, let some time elapse, and perhaps at about 72 hours out begin to take stock of far north is this wave as well as how deep the system already is. If GFS is overplaying how vertically deep this wave is ( from surface up to 500mb ), than perhaps this wave might push off the African coast and not start to develop until at least 30W. My other thought on this is that the Euro has not picked up on this system as a significant surface reflection yet, thus more reason for pause that perhaps the GFS is just slightly amiss. Curiously, the Euro 500mb does show a reflection of a low at approx. 144 hr.s from last night's 0Z run. This would seem quite "in-line" with the GFS model timing for this wave emerging of the coast. The Euro 500mb does indicate some WNW to NW tendency with this feature out to 192 hr. and has it around 16N and 38W, and then finally "drops" this feature thereafter. Assuming greater credence to the Euro's modeling for upper air, my guess is that we may well have a developing tropical cyclone approx. 8 days from now, potentially around 16N and 38W. This system at such a time will either feel the influence of a trough to it's N.E., or perhaps just make it 5-10 degrees farther west to what would appear to be fairly solid ridging over the W. Atlantic at that time. If in fact this ridging is truly displaced farther north than average, than a mid-Altlantic risk ( rather than Florida/Caribbean/Gulf area ) would seem plausible downstream.

Bottom line, I'll eat my shorts if this system were to actually be exactly at the above mentioned point, at exactly the same time frame. A little faster, perhaps a little slower, 2-3 degrees further south or further north might likely make all the difference in the world with regards to whether this system ( if it even exists then... ) gets within 500 miles of Miami, Wilmington, or the Azores. Though I would bet against any CV system this year, to trek westward all the way across the Atlantic and right to Cancun, who knows....., it may never even develop due to SAL, shear, etc., and suddenly this wave find itself under a huge upper high in the south/central Caribbean and only then develop into something.

My first guess? Cat.4 approaching the the mid-Atlantic coast ( Carolina's or points northward ), but who really knows - could just as easily wind up a "fish spinner" after all.
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Re: Strong wave in WestCentral Africa (Models develop it)

#104 Postby hurricaneCW » Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:13 am

Let's see if it even develops. Most waves have poofed so far, and this one could have the same fate. Just because a couple of models develop it doesn't mean we'll see a storm form. The Atlantic remains rather hostile (TUTT's, ULLs, SAL outbreaks) even with the MJO now coming into effect.
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Re: Strong wave in WestCentral Africa (Models develop it)

#105 Postby MiamiHurricanes10 » Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:25 am

In the further western portion of Africa is a vigorous low-level AEW (PGI28L) north of the AEJ. These tropical waves are usually void of convection when they emerge, and when they do they usually dissipate or glide northward. On the other hand we have our vigorous AEW south of the AEJ accompanied by a well-defined mid-level circulation. All Cape Verde-type cyclones develop from a AEW south of the AEJ.

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Re: Strong wave in WestCentral Africa (Models develop it)

#106 Postby KWT » Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:31 am

hurricaneCW wrote:Let's see if it even develops. Most waves have poofed so far, and this one could have the same fate. Just because a couple of models develop it doesn't mean we'll see a storm form. The Atlantic remains rather hostile (TUTT's, ULLs, SAL outbreaks) even with the MJO now coming into effect.



No it doesn't but I'd have thought the odds are this one has a better shot then all the others and given we've already had one CV storm (granted that was Colin!) I feel confident we can get something going from this region, esp as conditions are improving quite markedly in the next 7-14 days and this system will start to feel those effects...

Remember, I've been saying look at the 20th onwards for some time now, anything beforehand is a bonus.
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Re: Strong wave in WestCentral Africa (Models develop it)

#107 Postby MiamiHurricanes10 » Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:34 am

hurricaneCW wrote:Let's see if it even develops. Most waves have poofed so far, and this one could have the same fate. Just because a couple of models develop it doesn't mean we'll see a storm form. The Atlantic remains rather hostile (TUTT's, ULLs, SAL outbreaks) even with the MJO now coming into effect.

Unlikely that it just "poofs" when it hits the water, but I agree. I'll like to see what it does when it is over water for 24 hours to get an idea of its fate.

SAL is far enough north (considering that the wave will be emerging around 12N or south) to not tamper the development. How the TUTT will be positioned is too far out to determine at this point.

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#108 Postby CrazyC83 » Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:30 am

The SAL is pretty much gone from the western Atlantic, so anything that dives low has the potential to become extremely dangerous.
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Re: Strong wave in WestCentral Africa (Models develop it)

#109 Postby cycloneye » Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:41 am

12z GFS continues with developement of African Wave. It continues to go to fishland.

96 hours.

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#110 Postby KWT » Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:17 pm

GFS still ramps this up very quickly in the E.Atlantic and probably suggests quite a quick forming hurricane...looking a very good bet this forms.

However still a total fish, a little fuirther to the west on this run and whilst I think it does fish I think its a little too quick on shifting this to the north.

12z GFS sets up a major weakness, once again anything from CV till September recurves with that sort of weakness...
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Re: Strong wave in WestCentral Africa (Models develop it)

#111 Postby chaser1 » Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:20 pm

Well, the way I see it....... last nights GFS 0Z run had this system almost reaching 50W longitude; now 12 hours later in the 12Z run, we have the system almost reaching 60W ( 57/58 to be fair ). Perhaps the later runs will continue to indicate a westward trend with the GFS model. Though I don't really look at each run all that closely, I would certainly consider tonight's 0Z run as further indication of this, if such a westward tendency is indicated.
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#112 Postby KWT » Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:26 pm

If this one develops later then I think odds will be decent this one ends up further west then the GFS expects, I know the ECM is further south.

If this one doesn't develop then I'll be very alert about this season busting...if it does get going then all going to plan...but we will see.
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Re: Strong wave in WestCentral Africa (Models develop it)

#113 Postby cycloneye » Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:30 pm

If this one doesn't develop then I'll be very alert about this season busting...if it does get going then all going to plan...but we will see.


I would say a red alert as all systems are a go for it. Certainly, if it doesn't develop at all, it would crown August 2010 as one of most inactive ones in the past 10 years and a big hole to get sufficient ACE units to be called a Hyperactive season.
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Re: Strong wave in WestCentral Africa (Models develop it)

#114 Postby cycloneye » Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:58 pm

The 12z ECMWF is much more stronger on this wave. It looks more west than GFS.

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#115 Postby KWT » Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:05 pm

Yeah and note the troughing going down the east coast, thats almost certainly a fish on the 12z ECM probably before 60W.

Still looking increasingly likely that some development will come from this region and with a rather slow period it'd be nice just to get a hurricane out of this.
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Re: Strong wave in WestCentral Africa (Models develop it)

#116 Postby cycloneye » Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:07 pm

Ivan, do you have the higher resolution of this EURO run that you always post?
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Re: Strong wave in WestCentral Africa (Models develop it)

#117 Postby Ivanhater » Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:08 pm

It has been slow to update the last couple of days. As soon as it updates though, I'll post it.
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Re: Strong wave in WestCentral Africa (Models develop it)

#118 Postby Ivanhater » Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:13 pm

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#119 Postby KWT » Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:17 pm

Doesn't look quite as far north as the GFS, probably would still be a recurve though on the 12z ECM unless the upper high really builds as the weakness passes to the east and opens up the E.Coast...I'd guess recurve close to Bermuda if the 12z came off...
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Re: Strong wave in WestCentral Africa (Models develop it)

#120 Postby Steve H. » Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:41 pm

I implore folks not to talk fish when the system hasn't even formed or come off the continent. We don't know how this will evolve and we all know that they are usually all fish in the early going.
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