Tropical Wave has emerged from West Africa (Is Invest 95L)

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Re: Tropical Wave inside Africa

#101 Postby TheStormExpert » Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:30 pm


This far out I wouldn't write off a track through the Caribbean and into Central America or Mexico. I think the CFS is hinting at that.
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Re: Tropical Wave inside Africa

#102 Postby cycloneye » Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:33 pm

A tropical wave is forecast to emerge off the west coast of Africa
on Thursday. Gradual development is expected once the system moves
over water, and a tropical depression is likely to form late this
week or over the weekend while the system moves generally westward
across the eastern tropical Atlantic.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...10 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...high...70 percent.


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Re: Tropical Wave inside Africa

#103 Postby USTropics » Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:34 pm

tomatkins wrote:
toad strangler wrote:
Hurricaneman wrote:The 12zGFS shows this heading to the southern Lesser Antilles, way SW of the 6z run


Energy splits into two after splashdown with one half doing a Texas Two Step with Rene. Bizarre.


tropicaltidbits conked out at hr 228, but it looks like the remnants of Rene and Paulette are both still in the central Atlantic when future Sandy/Teddy enters the picture.


NCEP servers are having issues.

Sep 8: The NOAA data center is having problems and some NCEP models (including GFS) are currently delayed
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Re: Tropical Wave inside Africa

#104 Postby TheStormExpert » Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:35 pm

cycloneye wrote:
A tropical wave is forecast to emerge off the west coast of Africa
on Thursday. Gradual development is expected once the system moves
over water, and a tropical depression is likely to form late this
week or over the weekend while the system moves generally westward
across the eastern tropical Atlantic.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...10 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...high...70 percent.

Now that the 48hr. chances are there it should be quickly deemed an Invest on Thursday when it emerges, if not sooner?
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Re: Tropical Wave inside Africa

#105 Postby TheStormExpert » Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:36 pm

USTropics wrote:
tomatkins wrote:
toad strangler wrote:
Energy splits into two after splashdown with one half doing a Texas Two Step with Rene. Bizarre.


tropicaltidbits conked out at hr 228, but it looks like the remnants of Rene and Paulette are both still in the central Atlantic when future Sandy/Teddy enters the picture.


NCEP servers are having issues.

Sep 8: The NOAA data center is having problems and some NCEP models (including GFS) are currently delayed

So does this mean this afternoons 12z Euro will run on Tropical Tidbits?
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Re: Tropical Wave inside Africa

#106 Postby Spacecoast » Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:38 pm

12z GEFS: 73% Probability with 16 members showing genesis (out of 22)

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Re: Tropical Wave inside Africa

#107 Postby USTropics » Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:48 pm

TheStormExpert wrote:
USTropics wrote:
tomatkins wrote:
tropicaltidbits conked out at hr 228, but it looks like the remnants of Rene and Paulette are both still in the central Atlantic when future Sandy/Teddy enters the picture.


NCEP servers are having issues.

Sep 8: The NOAA data center is having problems and some NCEP models (including GFS) are currently delayed

So does this mean this afternoons 12z Euro will run on Tropical Tidbits?


Shouldn't be a problem for ECMWF or UKMET models as they are hosted at their own facilities. CMC/GFDL/HWRF could be affected.
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Re: Tropical Wave inside Africa

#108 Postby us89 » Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:53 pm

USTropics wrote:
tomatkins wrote:
toad strangler wrote:
Energy splits into two after splashdown with one half doing a Texas Two Step with Rene. Bizarre.


tropicaltidbits conked out at hr 228, but it looks like the remnants of Rene and Paulette are both still in the central Atlantic when future Sandy/Teddy enters the picture.


NCEP servers are having issues.

Sep 8: The NOAA data center is having problems and some NCEP models (including GFS) are currently delayed


So that's why the MOS site has been giving me products from September 3rd for the last few days...
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Re: Tropical Wave inside Africa

#109 Postby TheStormExpert » Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:55 pm

12z Euro MUCH weaker.
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Re: Tropical Wave inside Africa

#110 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:05 pm

TheStormExpert wrote:12z Euro MUCH weaker.


Horrendous consistency. 00z yesterday was a major hurricane, 12z yesterday was a weak tropical storm, 00z run was a major hurricane, 12z run back to a tropical storm.

Frustrating how poorly this model has performed this season in terms of intensity.
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Re: Tropical Wave inside Africa

#111 Postby CyclonicFury » Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:07 pm

Hypercane_Kyle wrote:
TheStormExpert wrote:12z Euro MUCH weaker.


Horrendous consistency. 00z yesterday was a major hurricane, 12z yesterday was a weak tropical storm, 00z run was a major hurricane, 12z run back to a tropical storm.

Frustrating how poorly this model has performed this season in terms of intensity.

Indeed. The ECMWF had many runs where it showed Laura opening up into a wave near the Bahamas and never redeveloping, but this obviously did not pan out. It also never really developed Marco or Nana at all until they actually developed.
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Re: Tropical Wave inside Africa

#112 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:09 pm

CyclonicFury wrote:
Hypercane_Kyle wrote:
TheStormExpert wrote:12z Euro MUCH weaker.


Horrendous consistency. 00z yesterday was a major hurricane, 12z yesterday was a weak tropical storm, 00z run was a major hurricane, 12z run back to a tropical storm.

Frustrating how poorly this model has performed this season in terms of intensity.

Indeed. The ECMWF had many runs where it showed Laura opening up into a wave near the Bahamas and never redeveloping, but this obviously did not pan out. It also never really developed Marco or Nana at all until they actually developed.


12z GFS run was also garbage IMO. Randomly splits vorticity off from this wave emerging off Africa and makes it into a major hurricane.
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Re: Tropical Wave inside Africa

#113 Postby aspen » Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:12 pm

Hypercane_Kyle wrote:
CyclonicFury wrote:
Hypercane_Kyle wrote:
Horrendous consistency. 00z yesterday was a major hurricane, 12z yesterday was a weak tropical storm, 00z run was a major hurricane, 12z run back to a tropical storm.

Frustrating how poorly this model has performed this season in terms of intensity.

Indeed. The ECMWF had many runs where it showed Laura opening up into a wave near the Bahamas and never redeveloping, but this obviously did not pan out. It also never really developed Marco or Nana at all until they actually developed.


12z GFS run was also garbage IMO. Randomly splits vorticity off from this wave emerging off Africa and makes it into a major hurricane.

It splits the wave into a Rene copycat and a Charlie ‘04 analogue. Maybe it’s trying to hone in on two separate waves developing?
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Re: Tropical Wave inside Africa

#114 Postby HurricaneAndre2008 » Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:15 pm

You guys know the Euro is a track model right?
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Re: Tropical Wave inside Africa

#115 Postby MJGarrison » Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:32 pm

It might be more accurate to say that the Euro is a Global Model. Other hurricane models are specifically programmed to better model the lower level processes of the hurricanes, giving a more accurate look at intensity. The Euro is not programmed specifically for hurricane tracks.


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Re: Tropical Wave inside Africa

#116 Postby AutoPenalti » Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:38 pm

HurricaneAndre2008 wrote:You guys know the Euro is a track model right?

It does handle intensity as well, albeit at a lower resolution.
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Re: Tropical Wave inside Africa

#117 Postby SFLcane » Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:39 pm

Holy EPS! This just got really interesting..

Barrage of majors near SFL...
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Re: Tropical Wave inside Africa

#118 Postby cycloneye » Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:40 pm

SFLcane wrote:Holy EPS! This just got really interesting..


What? Give us more. :D
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Re: Tropical Wave inside Africa

#119 Postby AutoPenalti » Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:42 pm

SFLcane wrote:Holy EPS! This just got really interesting..

Barrage of majors near SFL...

Need the sauce! :double:
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Re: Tropical Wave inside Africa

#120 Postby blp » Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:45 pm

Here is what he is talking about:
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