2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1021 Postby Shell Mound » Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:53 am

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The key is whether the long-range ensembles will show stronger ridging. Thus far the EPS and the operational EC still look "fishy." What is the likelihood that the models are wrong about the upcoming -NAO and we actually end up with strong instead of weak subtropics ridging? For this system to threaten the Islands or CONUS ridging would need to be stronger than shown on the 00Z run.

IMO, this will be come the first real Major Hurricane threat for NE Caribbean, Bahamas, and E Coast CONUS...

What makes you think so?

I’m talking about the fact that the EPS and GEFS ensembles currently agree on a -NAO and weak Bermuda–Azores High being present in a week. During that timeframe the models show the strong tropical wave departing West Africa, with the strongest EPS/GEFS members showing the AEW exiting farthest north, over or near the Cabo Verde islands, which would almost guarantee an OTS path, barring something like Irma (2017). Early on 2 September both the EPS/GEFS show very thin, weak subtropical ridging extending zonally, allowing a strong system to turn northward early on. We would need to see a drastic shift toward a neutral or positive NAO during the same timeframe in order for this potential system to impact the Islands and/or the CONUS.
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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1022 Postby SFLcane » Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:13 am

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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1024 Postby Shell Mound » Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:35 am


 https://twitter.com/webberweather/status/1430521116884340746




:double:

However, as mentioned, models still show weak ridging during this timeframe, and the wave is projected to depart at a relatively high latitude.
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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1026 Postby AnnularCane » Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:40 am

cycloneye wrote:The red circle is for the wave that Euro/CMC develop that emerges on the 30th.

https://i.imgur.com/d1zCKtn.png


Hello! *waves at the wave* :lol:

Amazing that you can tell which wave it is so many days out.
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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1027 Postby cycloneye » Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:41 am

Blown Away wrote:
Shell Mound wrote:

The key is whether the long-range ensembles will show stronger ridging. Thus far the EPS and the operational EC still look "fishy." What is the likelihood that the models are wrong about the upcoming -NAO and we actually end up with strong instead of weak subtropics ridging? For this system to threaten the Islands or CONUS ridging would need to be stronger than shown on the 00Z run.


IMO, this will be come the first real Major Hurricane threat for NE Caribbean, Bahamas, and E Coast CONUS... I think the key will be 99L if it gets pushed W into Mexico or goes into Central GOM and then moves E and breaks down the ridging...


FYI= Your thread for the 30th wave was locked as it is early however when NHC begins mentioning it in TWO, will reopen.
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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1028 Postby SFLcane » Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:42 am

Shell Mound wrote:

https://twitter.com/webberweather/status/1430521116884340746

:double:

However, as mentioned, models still show weak ridging during this timeframe, and the wave is projected to depart at a relatively high latitude.



no that’s incorrect lol. The euro has this wave pegged to move of the coast near 10-11N which is pretty far south. If it recurves it won’t be due to that.
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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1029 Postby SFLcane » Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:17 am

Way south on the 12z icon. This is the wave the European ensembles are in love with.

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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1030 Postby cycloneye » Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:31 am

12z GFS develops.

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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1031 Postby Stormybajan » Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:33 am

SFLcane wrote:Way south on the 12z icon. This is the wave the European ensembles are in love with.

https://i.postimg.cc/YSPcmXJw/A6-A68-B8-B-820-A-413-F-99-E3-9-C1-F40-DBEDE6.gif


Its looking more and more like this will be a problem for the NE caribbean in early september...strange though that the GFS doesnt seem to fancy it as much
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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1032 Postby SconnieCane » Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:42 am

We keep going back to Irma, but that's because it's one of the best recent analogs for a system like this. Remember, it was supposed to be a OTS system, until it wasn't...the ridge built back in just enough to push it WSW as it approached the islands, which wasn't well resolved by the models when it initially came off Africa. Then it was supposed to be a metro SE FL strike or even a Matthew-redux east coast rider...until the ridge overachieved vs. the models again, and it ended up scraping Cuba before hitting SW Florida.
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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1033 Postby chris_fit » Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:51 am

No way this will make anywhere close to EC with this lack of ridging.

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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1034 Postby SFLcane » Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:55 am

chris_fit wrote:No way this will make anywhere close to EC with this lack of ridging.

https://i.imgur.com/HsODX2W.png


Lol, I have been saying this there is no central Atl ridge this season it seems. No doubt this should recurve quite easily. This is not 2017 not even close. Things can change but I just don’t see it getting past 60w.
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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1035 Postby Stormybajan » Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:06 pm

SFLcane wrote:
chris_fit wrote:No way this will make anywhere close to EC with this lack of ridging.

https://i.imgur.com/HsODX2W.png


Lol, I have been saying this there is no central Atl ridge this season it seems. No doubt this should recurve quite easily. This is not 2017 not even close. Things can change but I just don’t see it getting past 60w.

Isnt it strange though? Back in May, June and early July werent there signs and signals of a strong ridge this peak season? What happened that its a complete 180 now? :raincloud:
However, the less impacts the better
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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1036 Postby ElectricStorm » Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:13 pm

Stormybajan wrote:
SFLcane wrote:
chris_fit wrote:No way this will make anywhere close to EC with this lack of ridging.

https://i.imgur.com/HsODX2W.png


Lol, I have been saying this there is no central Atl ridge this season it seems. No doubt this should recurve quite easily. This is not 2017 not even close. Things can change but I just don’t see it getting past 60w.

Isnt it strange though? Back in May, June and early July werent there signs and signals of a strong ridge this peak season? What happened that its a complete 180 now? :raincloud:
However, the less impacts the better

That's why looking at model runs like that in May-July is pretty much useless
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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1037 Postby cycloneye » Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:14 pm

SFLcane wrote:
chris_fit wrote:No way this will make anywhere close to EC with this lack of ridging.

https://i.imgur.com/HsODX2W.png


Lol, I have been saying this there is no central Atl ridge this season it seems. No doubt this should recurve quite easily. This is not 2017 not even close. Things can change but I just don’t see it getting past 60w.



It passed that longitud.

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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1038 Postby chris_fit » Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:16 pm

Of course after I stated the above - GFS insists on marching this thing Westward... :roll:

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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1039 Postby SFLcane » Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:17 pm

But… :double:

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Re: 2021 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#1040 Postby aspen » Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:19 pm

The second wave doesn’t do too well on either the GFS or the CMC. Seems that the August 30th wave, once it becomes a TC, imparts too much shear for the following wave to develop or get strong. That didn’t really stop Jose, though.
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