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#121 Postby CrazyC83 » Sat Aug 09, 2008 10:06 am

If Camille indeed made landfall as a Cat 5, then she holds the record for northernmost Cat 5, as the Mississippi coast is just north of 30°N.
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#122 Postby Honeyko » Sat Aug 09, 2008 10:41 am

Tampa_God wrote:Forgot the name of the storm that hit Brazil. And I dont know if there was more than one that hit that country, but its impressive to have something there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu21ReCDEZU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZJCGej9FXk

http://www.hurricaneville.com/brazilian_hurricane.html
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsro ... g_id=16505

Damage reports (PDF files):
http://www.google.com/search?&q=hurrica ... oversy+met

....The Brazilian met office came off looking very poorly during the affair, insisting it was not a hurricane despite overwhelming evidence.
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#123 Postby Tampa_God » Sat Aug 09, 2008 12:01 pm

Thanks guys for the help.
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#124 Postby Ad Novoxium » Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:10 pm

Phoenix's Song wrote:TS Pilar and Nona (CPac) were TS for only 6hrs!!!1
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I'll see that and raise you a Chris of 2000:
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Also, there was T.S. Ernesto of 2000, probably the most recent case of a name being given to a possibly non-tropical cyclone.
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/2000ernesto.html
Ernesto TCR wrote:Satellite data was the only source of position or intensity information to track this storm, except for a few wind reports from drifting data buoys. The classification of Ernesto as a tropical storm is somewhat uncertain, as QuikSCAT surface wind estimates on the 2nd indicated an open wave rather than a closed circulation. This was contradicted by visible satellite imagery that showed a tiny swirl of clouds near the deep convection. Since the forward motion was near 15 knots, it may very well be that there was no closed circulation. However, the data are inconclusive.
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#125 Postby Honeyko » Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:26 pm

Uh, there's nothing weird or impressive about short-lived tropical storms. They account for a quarter to more than half of all the storms each season.
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#126 Postby Mecklenburg » Sat Aug 09, 2008 5:42 pm

Honeyko wrote:Uh, there's nothing weird or impressive about short-lived tropical storms. They account for a quarter to more than half of all the storms each season.


yeah you're right, but i have seen a WPac storm being named but it is only of TD strength... i think that was on year 2004
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#127 Postby Mecklenburg » Sat Aug 09, 2008 5:46 pm

Phoenix's Song wrote:TS Pilar and Nona (CPac) were TS for only 6hrs!!!1
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aw... that's not unusual.... there are a lot of storms which are like that... among them is Tropical Storm Lee of 2005
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#128 Postby Ad Novoxium » Sat Aug 09, 2008 6:13 pm

Mecklenburg wrote:
Honeyko wrote:Uh, there's nothing weird or impressive about short-lived tropical storms. They account for a quarter to more than half of all the storms each season.


yeah you're right, but i have seen a WPac storm being named but it is only of TD strength... i think that was on year 2004


Off the top of my head, some named depressions were:
-Dolores of 1970 (EPac):
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-Gracie of 1959 (Atl) was named as a depression.
-EPac's 1963 Hazel.

And possibly:

-EPac's Gwen of 1960.
-1967's Hilary in the EPac.
-1961's Madeline in the EPac.
-Sylvia of the 1964 EPHS.

-Simone of 1968 (EPac) was originally a tropical storm, downgraded to a depression in best track, and readded as a TS.

In the 04 Typhoon season, two PAGASA names (Pablo and Winnie) were used for TD strength storms. Another (Violeta) was used operationally for a TD that was estimated to peak as a TS (Merbok), and one (Michael) was never actually monitored, but can be found on the Typhoon 2000 archives. Winnie, it should be noted, caused over 1,000 deaths, and both it and Violeta were retired from PAGASA's lists.
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#129 Postby MiamiensisWx » Sat Aug 09, 2008 6:37 pm

Storm #11, 1944 (Atlantic) - This system was quite large, with an eye diameter estimated near ~70 mi over the central Florida peninsula. Simultaneously, calm conditions were reported from Jacksonville and Ocala. Wind radii was expansive across the state.
Vera 1959 (WPAC) - This TC purportedly struck Japan at Category 5 intensity, but the assigned landfall intensity is dubious. However, it was Japan's deadliest disaster related to a tropical cyclone.
Donna 1960 (Atlantic) - It made nine landfalls at major hurricane status (Cat 3+). The landfalls were Barbuda/Sint Maarten/Saint Barthelemey/Anguilla (Cat 3), the Bahamas (Cat 4), the Florida Keys (Cat 4), southwestern mainland Florida (Cat 3), North Carolina (Cat 3), and New York (Cat 3). The 1960 Monthly Weather Review vividly describes each landfall, respectively.
Inez 1966 (Atlantic) - This TC crossed the Lesser Antilles and four additional land masses, including Hispaniola, the Bahamas, Florida Keys, and Mexico.
John 1994 (EPAC) - John was the longest lived TC in terms of duration, and it exhibited an exceptionally lengthy track as well.
Vince 2005 (Atlantic) - Spain landfall was unique, but recent research indicates another TC struck the country in 1842.
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#130 Postby cheezyWXguy » Sat Aug 09, 2008 6:54 pm

One of the most amazing storms ive ever heard of was sty nancy...was she really 215mph winds?
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#131 Postby Honeyko » Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:18 pm

cheezyWXguy wrote:One of the most amazing storms ive ever heard of was sty nancy...was she really 215mph winds?
It's debatable. While she probably had it in gusts (as many cat-5s do), probably not sustained.
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#132 Postby Mecklenburg » Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:34 pm

Honeyko wrote:
Tampa_God wrote:Forgot the name of the storm that hit Brazil. And I dont know if there was more than one that hit that country, but its impressive to have something there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu21ReCDEZU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZJCGej9FXk

http://www.hurricaneville.com/brazilian_hurricane.html
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsro ... g_id=16505

Damage reports (PDF files):
http://www.google.com/search?&q=hurrica ... oversy+met

....The Brazilian met office came off looking very poorly during the affair, insisting it was not a hurricane despite overwhelming evidence.


they were in a state of disbelief because the storm hit so sudden and was really unforseeable in a place like Brazil :D
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#133 Postby HurricaneBill » Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:43 pm

Ad Novoxium wrote:
Mecklenburg wrote:i also find hurricane anita of 1977 weird... with a WSW track...

Among other things:

-Only Category 5 of the ENTIRE YEAR in the North Hemisphere. Yes, even including the West Pacific.
-Strongest storm of the whole year in terms of windspeed in NHem (STY Babe was strongest in mbar). It's incredible to imagine an Atlantic storm having higher wind speeds than a typhoon.
-Reached the Pacific as a tropical depression (reclassified as T.D. 11)
-Was 90 mph and 54 mbar stronger than the second most intense Atlantic hurricane that year (Dorothy at 85 mph and 980 mbar to 175 mph and 926 mbar).
-(I think) the lowest ACE for a Category 5 Atlantic hurricane (12.8).
-One of only three Atlantic Category 5 hurricanes with an A name, and the only female name to have done so. (the others were Allen and Andrew).
-The last retirement of a name prior to the new male/female name lists.


Anita was also the last female Category 5 hurricane until Isabel in 2003.
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#134 Postby Category 5 » Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:57 pm

Honeyko wrote:Uh, there's nothing weird or impressive about short-lived tropical storms. They account for a quarter to more than half of all the storms each season.


You should become a comedian.

Allison?
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#135 Postby southerngale » Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:11 am

Category 5 wrote:
Honeyko wrote:Uh, there's nothing weird or impressive about short-lived tropical storms. They account for a quarter to more than half of all the storms each season.


You should become a comedian.

Allison?


Yeah, surely he just forgot about Allison. Nobody around here will ever forget Allison, though. I remember those DAYS very well.

There have been other weird and/or impressive tropical storms as well (not immediately sure of their lifespan, though).
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#136 Postby Mecklenburg » Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:21 am

MiamiensisWx wrote:Vera 1959 (WPAC) - This TC purportedly struck Japan at Category 5 intensity, but the assigned landfall intensity is dubious. However, it was Japan's deadliest disaster related to a tropical cyclone.
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wow, if that holds true, it would be the northernmost cat 5 ever?
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#137 Postby Honeyko » Sun Aug 10, 2008 6:34 am

Mecklenburg wrote:
Honeyko wrote:....The Brazilian met office came off looking very poorly during the affair, insisting it was not a hurricane despite overwhelming evidence.
they were in a state of disbelief because the storm hit so sudden and was really unforseeable in a place like Brazil :D
That's their fall-back excuse. The truth is that Brazil's weather is generally nice year-round (like Hawaii's), and that meteorology there is mainly a cushy political gig at the administrative levels. >insert incompetent bureaucrat horror story here< (I.e., imagine Mayor Daly's Chicago having an Earthquake Dept -- you're not going to expect the brightest geologists in the world in charge of that place when, all unexpected, the ground starts heaving.)

Additionally, there was an element of nationalistic machismo in which they puffed up their Latin chests and simply refused to listen to the gringos with the satellite pictures at the NHC.
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#138 Postby Honeyko » Sun Aug 10, 2008 6:43 am

southerngale wrote:
Category 5 wrote:
Honeyko wrote:Uh, there's nothing weird or impressive about short-lived tropical storms. They account for a quarter to more than half of all the storms each season.
You should become a comedian. Allison?
Yeah, surely he just forgot about Allison. Nobody around here will ever forget Allison, though. I remember those DAYS very well.
1. Allison wasn't a "short-lived tropical storm".
2. The ability to rain a lot when slow-moving isn't a particularly weird or impressive feature of a tropical system -- because it's something they do by definition. A major city with poor drainage randomly being under its track doesn't make it a more interesting storm -- the flooding might be interesting...but not necessarily the rain-clouds.
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#139 Postby Mecklenburg » Sun Aug 10, 2008 6:46 am

Honeyko wrote:1. Allison wasn't a "short-lived tropical storm".
2. The ability to rain a lot when slow-moving isn't a particularly weird or impressive feature of a tropical system -- because it's something they do by definition. A major city with poor drainage randomly being under its track doesn't make it a more interesting storm -- the flooding might be interesting...but not necessarily the rain-clouds.


what do you mean wasn't short-lived?...it formed on july 5 and made it ways inland and dissipated on the following day... :roll:
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#140 Postby Honeyko » Sun Aug 10, 2008 7:19 am

Mecklenburg wrote:
Honeyko wrote:1. Allison wasn't a "short-lived tropical storm".
2. The ability to rain a lot when slow-moving isn't a particularly weird or impressive feature of a tropical system -- because it's something they do by definition. A major city with poor drainage randomly being under its track doesn't make it a more interesting storm -- the flooding might be interesting...but not necessarily the rain-clouds.
what do you mean wasn't short-lived?...it formed on july 5 and made it ways inland and dissipated on the following day... :roll:
It didn't dissipate; it went inland and then festered around for another week and a half:

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