Depression to form in GOM??

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Re: Depression to form in GOM??

#141 Postby flwxwatcher » Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:03 am

Ronjon.. Agree the SE Gulf is an area to watch, I saw the 06Z GFS run also and it hinted at something being brought to the FL Panhandle. While upper level conditions are not ideal at the moment they may get better in the Eastern Gulf in a couple Days.. Time will tell :D
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Re: Depression to form in GOM??

#142 Postby KatDaddy » Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:27 am

I can see some rotation in the SE GOM very near the Yucatan Channel. I cant tell is its mid level or lower from VIS satellite
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Re: Depression to form in GOM??

#143 Postby Sanibel » Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:43 am

Possible cyclonic turning near 23N-86W. This is a formation hot spot right over the Loop Current. Or could be a synoptic eddy. Could keep Gabrielle down or vice versa.
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Re: Depression to form in GOM??

#144 Postby Portastorm » Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:50 am

Based on satellite, agree on the 23N-86w spotting. Will be curious to see if the convection increases and persists.

For those wanting a little action in the Western GOM, this better develop as I suspect the bulk of the attention will soon shift to the central and eastern GOM. We have not one but two cold fronts progged to drop well into south Texas and the Gulf coastline in the next week. That means the westerlies will soon take charge and become the more dominant weather feature for the WGOM.
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Re: Depression to form in GOM??

#145 Postby canetracker » Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:54 am

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I see the possible cyclonic turning too that Sanibel mentioned. It is very near the loop current.

Tropical Cyclone Intestification is favorable and becoming more favorable in 72 hrs:
http://www.wunderground.com/data/640x480/atlm_shear.gif
Notice the really warm SST's, especially along Louisiana all the way down to southern Florida
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/SST/ATL/20.jpg
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Re: Depression to form in GOM??

#146 Postby ronjon » Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:06 pm

I see the 12Z CMC has latched on to GOM development - surprise, surprise.

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/cmctc2.cgi?time=2007090812&field=Sea+Level+Pressure&hour=Animation
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Re: Depression to form in GOM??

#147 Postby Portastorm » Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:11 pm

ronjon wrote:I see the 12Z CMC has latched on to GOM development - surprise, surprise.

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/cmctc2.cgi?time=2007090812&field=Sea+Level+Pressure&hour=Animation


Indeed! The "Crazy Uncle" Canadian develops a tropical cyclone that appears to make landfall at Galveston, then gets picked up by the full trough moving west to east across the nation's midsection. Interesting.
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Re: Depression to form in GOM??

#148 Postby lrak » Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:04 pm

that looks really close to Corpus, all these storms and waves have been traveling West. This will be the one to finally make that terrible turn?
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Re: Depression to form in GOM??

#149 Postby srainhoutx » Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:43 pm

ronjon wrote:I see the 12Z CMC has latched on to GOM development - surprise, surprise.

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/cmctc2.cgi?time=2007090812&field=Sea+Level+Pressure&hour=Animation


If I recall correctly, CMC sniffed out TS Erin in the early stages when a lot of folks said noting would happen. Should be interesting to watch in the next few days.
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#150 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:00 pm

I think the CMC scenario is very plausible. No, I am not saying this because I live in Texas, but rather I am saying this because I think a move west and then a turn more north and east is very likely with this system if it develops. We very well could be looking at a multi-state threat out of this...which would be a very interesting scenario if it actually plays out.
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#151 Postby flwxwatcher » Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:14 pm

Extremeweatherguy wrote:I think the CMC scenario is very plausible. No, I am not saying this because I live in Texas, but rather I am saying this because I think a move west and then a turn more north and east is very likely with this system if it develops. We very well could be looking at a multi-state threat out of this...which would be a very interesting scenario if it actually plays out.

I have to agree with on this . but the CMC has a tendency of moving things too fast and developing things too quickly, so take that track and slow it down and you could have a track that stays in the Gulf and does threaten a multi state area along the Gulf Coast. Of course, I am putting the Cart way ahead of the Horse lol. first lets see if something does develop.
I do think we need to watch this area though. :D
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#152 Postby perk » Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:17 pm

Extremeweatherguy wrote:I think the CMC scenario is very plausible. No, I am not saying this because I live in Texas, but rather I am saying this because I think a move west and then a turn more north and east is very likely with this system if it develops. We very well could be looking at a multi-state threat out of this...which would be a very interesting scenario if it actually plays out.

I don't think the CMC's run is out of line, if it develops. Hey makes me think of that old saying (even a blind squirrel will evenually find a nut).
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Re: Depression to form in GOM??

#153 Postby caneman » Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:53 pm

If there is anything to develop here I believe it may well becoming from the NW Caribb. just below Cuba and into the channel.
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Re: Depression to form in GOM??

#154 Postby Sanibel » Sat Sep 08, 2007 3:02 pm

There's a synoptic mess down there right now. That linear outflow boundary going east to west is significant of bad conditions with this one.
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Re: Depression to form in GOM??

#155 Postby jasons2k » Sat Sep 08, 2007 3:31 pm

Re: CMC - We'll see. Notice it takes Gabrielle a bit west of where it will likely go, so I question this run.
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Re: Depression to form in GOM??

#156 Postby Brent » Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:20 pm

TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
530 PM EDT SAT SEP 8 2007

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER IS ISSUING ADVISORIES ON TROPICAL
STORM GABRIELLE LOCATED ABOUT 185 MILES SOUTHEAST OF CAPE LOOKOUT
NORTH CAROLINA.

A TROPICAL WAVE LOCATED SEVERAL HUNDRED MILES SOUTHWEST OF THE CAPE
VERDE ISLANDS IS PRODUCING A LARGE AREA OF CLOUDINESS AND
THUNDERSTORMS. THIS SYSTEM HAS CHANGED LITTLE IN ORGANIZATION
DURING THE PAST 24 HOURS...BUT STILL HAS THE POTENTIAL FOR SOME
DEVELOPMENT DURING THE NEXT FEW DAYS AS IT MOVES WESTWARD AT ABOUT
15 MPH.

DISORGANIZED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS EXTENDING FROM CUBA AND
ADJACENT WATERS WESTWARD INTO THE SOUTHERN GULF OF MEXICO ARE
ASSOCIATED WITH A WEAK SURFACE TROUGH AND AN UPPER-LEVEL LOW.
UPPER-LEVEL WINDS ARE NOT CURRENTLY FAVORABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT.


ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

PUBLIC ADVISORIES ON TROPICAL STORM GABRIELLE ARE ISSUED UNDER WMO
HEADER WTNT32 KNHC AND UNDER AWIPS HEADER MIATCPAT2.
FORECAST/ADVISORIES ON TROPICAL STORM GABRIELLE ARE ISSUED UNDER
WMO HEADER WTNT22 KNHC AND UNDER AWIPS HEADER MIATCMAT2.

$$

FORECASTER BEVEN
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Re: Depression to form in GOM??

#157 Postby Ptarmigan » Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:25 pm

ronjon wrote:I see the 12Z CMC has latched on to GOM development - surprise, surprise.

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/cmctc2.cgi?time=2007090812&field=Sea+Level+Pressure&hour=Animation


Hmmm, something could be brewing the Gulf of Mexico. Bears watching for sure. The CMC model got it right with Erin. Whatever happens, it will give rain.
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Re: Depression to form in GOM??

#158 Postby Frank P » Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:34 pm

been watching it since early this am... still has some rotation to it... lots of disorganized convection in the south GOM and west Car..... you can see the low level clouds racing from the south to the north in the west Car south of Cuba via the vis sat loop on high speed..... if it has a broad center its perhaps north of the Yucatan... still has a lot of shear pounding it but it is atm being persistent.. which is key for development if it can hang around long enough for conditions to improve... gonna take some time regardless... but it's that time of the year when you expected things to happen......

"bear" watch continues for GOM... my SWAG for further development would be < 30% right now... lets see what it does tonight...
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#159 Postby JonathanBelles » Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:47 pm

It has been cloudy here all day.
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Re: Depression to form in GOM??

#160 Postby attallaman » Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:11 pm

Frank P wrote:been watching it since early this am... still has some rotation to it... lots of disorganized convection in the south GOM and west Car..... you can see the low level clouds racing from the south to the north in the west Car south of Cuba via the vis sat loop on high speed..... if it has a broad center its perhaps north of the Yucatan... still has a lot of shear pounding it but it is atm being persistent.. which is key for development if it can hang around long enough for conditions to improve... gonna take some time regardless... but it's that time of the year when you expected things to happen......

"bear" watch continues for GOM... my SWAG for further development would be < 30% right now... lets see what it does tonight...
SWAG means what?
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