2018 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

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Re: 2018 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#1521 Postby LarryWx » Sun Aug 26, 2018 3:11 pm

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CyclonicFury wrote:12z Euro has MDR development starting at 216 hours.


This is like the 5th run in a row for the Euro to have a surface low to form in the far E MDR near 9/1. The EPS has also been showing this with about 20% of the 51 members for several days of runs having an actual TC genesis shortly after. Something to monitor but hoping any formation would later safely recurve, which is the climo most likely thing especially in El Niño or pre-El Niño seasons. Also, there’d be hope it would later dissipate over open waters if it doesn’t recurve safely.



After not having much on the 0Z EPS, the 12Z EPS along with the operational are back to what had been showing up on multiple runs mid to late last week meaning ~20% of the EPS members in addition to the operational showing a genesis near 9/1 in the far E MDR. The members' TCs stay small with ~3 of them becoming a small H. Most either dissipate or recurve before 50W though one makes it intact just past 60W on 9/8 before dissipating NE of the Caribbean. So, as far as the W basin is concerned, the model based suggestion is that this is likely to not end up being much of a threat should it form though we'd have to see as we get closer to potential development

However, follow-up waves are also showing some geneses between 9/5 and 9/10 in the E MDR. Those are way too far out in time to speculate on right now. But if there were to be multiple TCs to form in the E MDR 9/1-10, it wouldn't be outside of climo norms even in an assumed oncoming weak El Nino for one to at least threaten the W basin as we head toward mid-Sep. though I'm not predicting that.

In the W basin, the 12Z EPS has a few TC geneses in the GOM and off the SE US coast 9/5-8. Something like that would probably end up being the greater threat for obvious reasons.
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Re: 2018 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#1522 Postby gatorcane » Sun Aug 26, 2018 3:49 pm

12Z UKMET starting to develop some lows in the ITCZ

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Re: 2018 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#1523 Postby WAcyclone » Sun Aug 26, 2018 3:50 pm

A good place to check the EPS runs for the upcoming peak season is found at https://lab.weathermodels.com/models/ecmwf/eps_global_cyclones.php.
Below is the 12z one from today:

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Re: 2018 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#1524 Postby Hammy » Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:21 pm

:uarrow: Looks like we could see a shot at having three at once (which is a sort of activity benchmark of mine). Fits with what the Euro, CMC, and parallel GFS have been hinting at.

On a side note, that map looks like spores being launched everywhere.
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Re: 2018 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#1525 Postby WeatherEmperor » Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:35 pm

18z GFS continues with the back and forth of development. 6z had it, 12z dropped it and 18z has it again

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Re: 2018 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#1526 Postby Kazmit » Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:47 pm

I think the models are starting to hint of a back-loaded season. 2016 was kind of like this, with normal activity until after the peak, and it ended up being above average. Now while it's very unlikely that this season will also be above average, perhaps it will make a bit of a comeback and end up being near average after all.
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Re: 2018 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#1527 Postby AnnularCane » Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:59 pm

Hammy wrote::uarrow: Looks like we could see a shot at having three at once (which is a sort of activity benchmark of mine). Fits with what the Euro, CMC, and parallel GFS have been hinting at.

On a side note, that map looks like spores being launched everywhere.



Or Africa is blowing bubbles. :lol:
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Re: 2018 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#1528 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:47 pm

FV3 GFS has a TS/hurricane in the MDR @ hour 168, similar to the 12z.
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Re: 2018 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#1529 Postby otowntiger » Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:09 pm

Hammy wrote::uarrow: Looks like we could see a shot at having three at once (which is a sort of activity benchmark of mine). Fits with what the Euro, CMC, and parallel GFS have been hinting at.

On a side note, that map looks like spores being launched everywhere.

Surprisingly not a one forms in or even passes thru or near the Caribbean
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Re: 2018 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#1530 Postby gatorcane » Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:19 pm

Hypercane_Kyle wrote:FV3 GFS has a TS/hurricane in the MDR @ hour 168, similar to the 12z.


Out through 240 hours, it still recurves as a fish but shifted west significantly like 400-500 miles. In my experience, models tend to have a recurve bias for early developing storms coming off Africa.
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Re: 2018 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#1531 Postby floridasun78 » Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:10 pm

looking all models we likely see some thing come out Africa we see how strong it is
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Re: 2018 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#1532 Postby Aric Dunn » Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:45 pm

COnvection building quite a bit with that low/circ from earlier off of Guinea
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Re: 2018 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#1533 Postby SoupBone » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:04 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:COnvection building quite a bit with that low/circ from earlier off of Guinea



Can you mark it on a map? I'm a visual kind of guy. :lol:
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Re: 2018 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#1534 Postby CyclonicFury » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:19 pm

00Z UKMET
NEW TROPICAL STORM FORECAST TO DEVELOP AFTER 132 HOURS

FORECAST POSITION AT T+132 : 10.9N 29.3W



VERIFYING TIME POSITION STRENGTH TENDENCY

-------------- -------- -------- --------

12UTC 01.09.2018 10.9N 29.3W WEAK

00UTC 02.09.2018 13.0N 29.0W WEAK LITTLE CHANGE
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Re: 2018 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#1535 Postby Aric Dunn » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:20 pm

SoupBone wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:COnvection building quite a bit with that low/circ from earlier off of Guinea



Can you mark it on a map? I'm a visual kind of guy. :lol:


the posts i made a couple pages back should work.. convection has concentrated a good bit since then.
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Re: 2018 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#1536 Postby USTropics » Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:36 am

ECMWF operational has advertised a system trying to get going in the MDR for 5 consecutive runs now, this is at hour 144 in the 00z run:

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Re: 2018 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#1537 Postby GCANE » Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:15 am

8/27/18 00Z GFS
Spinup Cape Verde
108 hrs out, Friday 8/31/18

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Re: 2018 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#1538 Postby cycloneye » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:41 am

@MJVentrice
Watching the Atlantic's Main Development Region this week into next for some strong African easterly waves to roll off Africa and potentially spin up into tropical cyclones. We are headed into the climatological peak of Atlantic Hurricanes. Nothing active as of today, however.


 https://twitter.com/MJVentrice/status/1034019127084687360


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Re: 2018 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#1539 Postby Dylan » Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:07 am

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Re: 2018 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#1540 Postby cycloneye » Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:23 am

Not yet.

Tropical Weather Outlook
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
800 AM EDT Mon Aug 27 2018

For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico:

Tropical cyclone formation is not expected during the next 5 days.

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