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#1661 Postby Shell Mound » Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:50 pm

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FWIW W.ATL seems oddly dry. TUTT's? Dry Air? Shear?


I think it's primarily due to the current Saharan dust outbreak as well as the suppressive phase of the MJO being in place for the moment (although I could be wrong about the second one).

That tweet is actually the latest EC+UK blended outlook for ASO. The dry W ATL is forecast to be in place during ASO.
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#1662 Postby Siker » Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:55 pm

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AutoPenalti wrote:FWIW W.ATL seems oddly dry. TUTT's? Dry Air? Shear?


I think it's primarily due to the current Saharan dust outbreak as well as the suppressive phase of the MJO being in place for the moment (although I could be wrong about the second one).

That tweet is actually the latest EC+UK blended outlook for ASO. The dry W ATL is forecast to be in place during ASO.

Guessing it's a combo of a northward-displaced TUTT plus prevailing high placement funneling moisture through the Caribbean.
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#1663 Postby Shell Mound » Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:57 pm

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I think it's primarily due to the current Saharan dust outbreak as well as the suppressive phase of the MJO being in place for the moment (although I could be wrong about the second one).

That tweet is actually the latest EC+UK blended outlook for ASO. The dry W ATL is forecast to be in place during ASO.

Guessing it's a combo of a northward-displaced TUTT plus prevailing high placement funneling moisture through the Caribbean.

Wouldn’t one expect to see less of a TUTT signature over the W ATL during a “typical” active/hyperactive year? The EC+UK blend suggests a lot of shear there.
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#1664 Postby psyclone » Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:01 pm

May = no way
June = too soon
July = too dry
August = ...um... not good enough to come up with a rhyme...but it's time...oh snap there it is!
we're getting close gang..
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#1665 Postby Siker » Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:05 pm

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Shell Mound wrote:That tweet is actually the latest EC+UK blended outlook for ASO. The dry W ATL is forecast to be in place during ASO.

Guessing it's a combo of a northward-displaced TUTT plus prevailing high placement funneling moisture through the Caribbean.

Wouldn’t one expect to see less of a TUTT signature over the W ATL during a “typical” active/hyperactive year? The EC+UK blend suggests a lot of shear there.


Presumably no, if there is sufficient activity to the south/west to fuel significant outflow poleward across the W/C ATL (and note the enhanced precip right at the SE coast). But I’m not totally sure.
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#1666 Postby AutoPenalti » Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:08 pm

If anything, a TUTT would help ventilate a TC if positioned correctly...
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#1667 Postby Shell Mound » Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:11 pm

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Siker wrote:Guessing it's a combo of a northward-displaced TUTT plus prevailing high placement funneling moisture through the Caribbean.

Wouldn’t one expect to see less of a TUTT signature over the W ATL during a “typical” active/hyperactive year? The EC+UK blend suggests a lot of shear there.


Presumably no, if there is sufficient activity to the south/west to fuel significant outflow poleward across the W/C ATL (and note the enhanced precip right at the SE coast). But I’m not totally sure.

It looks like shear to me, because there is a branch of well-above-average precipitation that seemingly hits a brick wall just east of the Leeward Islands. That is definitely not related to outflow from convection. There seems to be a very strong TUTT anchored near/over the Leeward Islands. Everything between those islands and the Bahamas looks quite dry. The precipitation in the eastern Gulf and along the East Coast looks to be related to homegrown development. Does anyone know why the reliable EC+UK blend suggests such a strong W-ATL TUTT for ASO?
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#1668 Postby toad strangler » Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:19 pm

AutoPenalti wrote:If anything, a TUTT would help ventilate a TC if positioned correctly...


This, a TUTT helped Irma blow up. I believe the system needs to be the SW of said TUTT, like Irma was.
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#1670 Postby AutoPenalti » Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:32 pm


I almost want to believe there's something happening in the background state that we don't know about.
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#1671 Postby CyclonicFury » Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:43 pm

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I almost want to believe there's something happening in the background state that we don't know about.

It is typical for -ENSO years to feature below average ACE in the Northern Pacific, often to lead to a very active Atlantic later. However 2020 is an extreme case with no hurricane strength TCs globally this month so far.

2010 is a prime example: very active Atlantic, near record quiet EPAC/WPAC.
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#1672 Postby Monsoonjr99 » Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:56 pm

AutoPenalti wrote:

I almost want to believe there's something happening in the background state that we don't know about.

Yes, it's called July.

It seems the Atlantic is heavily favored this year and the Pacific heavily suppressed. But for the moment, it's too early.
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#1673 Postby StruThiO » Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:17 pm

Unlike some detractors still clinging onto the notion that one needs significant MDR activity this time of year to get a hyperactive season in spite of numerous years such as 2004, 2010 and 2017 proving them wrong again and again, I recognize that we could not see gonzalo until September and still wind up with a hyperactive season.

The Pacific has been quiet because of the anomalous and robust sinking air that has become established from west of the Dateline to Peru. This sinking air is present because we are transitioning to la nina. As we all know, this favors an active back half of the atlantic hurricane season so I'm not sure why some insist on hand wringing over a lack of deep tropical activity in.... mid July? As if literally the last 4 seasons didnt prove back to back to back to back that what happens from june to august 20th DOES NOT MATTER
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#1674 Postby NDG » Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:37 pm

CyclonicFury wrote:
AutoPenalti wrote:

I almost want to believe there's something happening in the background state that we don't know about.

It is typical for -ENSO years to feature below average ACE in the Northern Pacific, often to lead to a very active Atlantic later. However 2020 is an extreme case with no hurricane strength TCs globally this month so far.

2010 is a prime example: very active Atlantic, near record quiet EPAC/WPAC.


Exactly, usually a quiet Pacific usually means an active Atlantic in the making. We are just in July so there's still the benefit of doubt that the Atlantic will start turning active as we get into August. If this would had been 4-6 weeks from now then I would had been talking about a possible repeat of 2013.
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#1675 Postby FireRat » Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:11 pm

psyclone wrote:May = no way
June = too soon
July = too dry
August = ...um... not good enough to come up with a rhyme...but it's time...oh snap there it is!
we're getting close gang..


Like some old timer sailors used to say over a hundred years ago:
August = Look out you must!
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#1676 Postby toad strangler » Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:13 pm

AutoPenalti wrote:

I almost want to believe there's something happening in the background state that we don't know about.


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#1678 Postby toad strangler » Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:15 pm

NDG wrote:
CyclonicFury wrote:
AutoPenalti wrote:I almost want to believe there's something happening in the background state that we don't know about.

It is typical for -ENSO years to feature below average ACE in the Northern Pacific, often to lead to a very active Atlantic later. However 2020 is an extreme case with no hurricane strength TCs globally this month so far.

2010 is a prime example: very active Atlantic, near record quiet EPAC/WPAC.


Exactly, usually a quiet Pacific usually means an active Atlantic in the making. We are just in July so there's still the benefit of doubt that the Atlantic will start turning active as we get into August. If this would had been 4-6 weeks from now then I would had been talking about a possible repeat of 2013.


THIS. Wake me up on 8/15.
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#1679 Postby AutoPenalti » Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:19 pm

toad strangler wrote:
AutoPenalti wrote:

I almost want to believe there's something happening in the background state that we don't know about.


http://i.ibb.co/1vdv3rQ/peakofseason-sm.gif


Wasn’t explicitly talking about the Atlantic.

Doesn’t help explain why every other basin is as a quiet as a mouse.
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#1680 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:24 pm

AutoPenalti wrote:
toad strangler wrote:
AutoPenalti wrote:I almost want to believe there's something happening in the background state that we don't know about.


http://i.ibb.co/1vdv3rQ/peakofseason-sm.gif


Wasn’t explicitly talking about the Atlantic.

Doesn’t help explain why every other basin is as a quiet as a mouse.

In cool-neutrals or developing La Nina it's perfectly fine and normal for the other basins (meaning the WPAC/EPAC) to be quiet.
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