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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#181 Postby AnnularCane » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:11 pm

StormLogic wrote:18z NAM spins her up over land
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Well, if Julia could do it... :lol:
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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#182 Postby StormLogic » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:22 pm

all I'm saying is once the EURO models shifts east I'm leaving lol
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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#183 Postby StormLogic » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:30 pm

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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#184 Postby Cpv17 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:51 pm



There’s a low there, but it’s pretty broad.
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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#185 Postby TexasF6 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:54 pm

NAM shifted the heavy rain EAST :eek: It will flip flop...#modelwatchingON
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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#186 Postby KatDaddy » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:58 pm

Our Houston-Galveston NWS sums the knowns and unknowns very well in this afternoon’s Area Forecast Discussion and why need to be weather aware in SE TX through the rest of week:

.MID TERM [Tuesday Night Through Thursday]...
What we know:
- Ground will gradually become increasingly saturated with periods of rainfall and more prone to runoff.
- Upper low will make its way northward into southeast Texas, but ikely stall and meander over the area due to higher pressure to the north.
- Moisture levels will be near record peak values recorded this time of year. Rain rates of 1-3"+ per hour are possible at times. Heavy rain in a short amount of time will be the primary trigger for street flooding and rises on area creeks, bayous and rivers.
- A weak surface low will slowly move northward from the Coastal Bend to near the Matagorda Bay area Tuesday night and Wed morning setting the stage for the first potential round of heavy rainfall...possibly in the form of training convective bands closer to the circulation itself...gradually spreading out thru the day with heating.
- In very general terms, the surface low will meander northward Wed & Thur...possibly situated between the Brazos Valley and I-45 late in the period.
- Multiple rounds of precipitation are expected with some
intermittent breaks in between.
- There will be changing, potentially large run-to-run swings of model solutions. Don`t focus on just one. Just know the overall conditions are favorable for heavy rain which could cause flooding.
What are some of the unknowns:
- Just how organized or unorganized atmospheric conditions line-up for prime and/or significant amounts of rain.
- Specific rain amounts. There will be several inches spread out over several days. Focus on the impacts!
- Specific timing/location of the periods of heaviest rainfall.
Can occur at any time and any place. They`ll be dependent on several variables which can be difficult to determine even 6-12 hours out. Just know there are signals there for significant rain and associated flash flood impacts.
- Specific river/creek/bayou impacts. It`ll be dependent on where and how much rain falls. Rises and flooding impacts can be expected where the heaviest rain occurs.
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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#187 Postby setxweathergal64 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:08 pm

KatDaddy wrote:Our Houston-Galveston NWS sums the knowns and unknowns very well in this afternoon’s Area Forecast Discussion and why need to be weather aware in SE TX through the rest of week:

.MID TERM [Tuesday Night Through Thursday]...
What we know:
- Ground will gradually become increasingly saturated with periods of rainfall and more prone to runoff.
- Upper low will make its way northward into southeast Texas, but ikely stall and meander over the area due to higher pressure to the north.
- Moisture levels will be near record peak values recorded this time of year. Rain rates of 1-3"+ per hour are possible at times. Heavy rain in a short amount of time will be the primary trigger for street flooding and rises on area creeks, bayous and rivers.
- A weak surface low will slowly move northward from the Coastal Bend to near the Matagorda Bay area Tuesday night and Wed morning setting the stage for the first potential round of heavy rainfall...possibly in the form of training convective bands closer to the circulation itself...gradually spreading out thru the day with heating.
- In very general terms, the surface low will meander northward Wed & Thur...possibly situated between the Brazos Valley and I-45 late in the period.
- Multiple rounds of precipitation are expected with some
intermittent breaks in between.
- There will be changing, potentially large run-to-run swings of model solutions. Don`t focus on just one. Just know the overall conditions are favorable for heavy rain which could cause flooding.
What are some of the unknowns:
- Just how organized or unorganized atmospheric conditions line-up for prime and/or significant amounts of rain.
- Specific rain amounts. There will be several inches spread out over several days. Focus on the impacts!
- Specific timing/location of the periods of heaviest rainfall.
Can occur at any time and any place. They`ll be dependent on several variables which can be difficult to determine even 6-12 hours out. Just know there are signals there for significant rain and associated flash flood impacts.
- Specific river/creek/bayou impacts. It`ll be dependent on where and how much rain falls. Rises and flooding impacts can be expected where the heaviest rain occurs.

Can someone pls explain the difference in the upper level low and a weak surface low? It almost sounds like 2 different systems. It says one into matagorda bay and one into SETX. I'm in SETX and have a vested interest. :D
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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#188 Postby Cpv17 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:12 pm

setxweathergal64 wrote:
KatDaddy wrote:Our Houston-Galveston NWS sums the knowns and unknowns very well in this afternoon’s Area Forecast Discussion and why need to be weather aware in SE TX through the rest of week:

.MID TERM [Tuesday Night Through Thursday]...
What we know:
- Ground will gradually become increasingly saturated with periods of rainfall and more prone to runoff.
- Upper low will make its way northward into southeast Texas, but ikely stall and meander over the area due to higher pressure to the north.
- Moisture levels will be near record peak values recorded this time of year. Rain rates of 1-3"+ per hour are possible at times. Heavy rain in a short amount of time will be the primary trigger for street flooding and rises on area creeks, bayous and rivers.
- A weak surface low will slowly move northward from the Coastal Bend to near the Matagorda Bay area Tuesday night and Wed morning setting the stage for the first potential round of heavy rainfall...possibly in the form of training convective bands closer to the circulation itself...gradually spreading out thru the day with heating.
- In very general terms, the surface low will meander northward Wed & Thur...possibly situated between the Brazos Valley and I-45 late in the period.
- Multiple rounds of precipitation are expected with some
intermittent breaks in between.
- There will be changing, potentially large run-to-run swings of model solutions. Don`t focus on just one. Just know the overall conditions are favorable for heavy rain which could cause flooding.
What are some of the unknowns:
- Just how organized or unorganized atmospheric conditions line-up for prime and/or significant amounts of rain.
- Specific rain amounts. There will be several inches spread out over several days. Focus on the impacts!
- Specific timing/location of the periods of heaviest rainfall.
Can occur at any time and any place. They`ll be dependent on several variables which can be difficult to determine even 6-12 hours out. Just know there are signals there for significant rain and associated flash flood impacts.
- Specific river/creek/bayou impacts. It`ll be dependent on where and how much rain falls. Rises and flooding impacts can be expected where the heaviest rain occurs.

Can someone pls explain the difference in the upper level low and a weak surface low? It almost sounds like 2 different systems. It says one into matagorda bay and one into SETX. I'm in SETX and have a vested interest. :D


A surface low is tropical in nature and those are the ones that can become tropical cyclones and an upper level low is non tropical, but if it’s left over water long enough it can sometimes work it’s way down to the surface.
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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#189 Postby Steve » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:13 pm

It is 2 different low pressure systems. One is higher up and one is at the surface. They both spin counter clockwise so you will have an onshore flow. http://www.theweatherprediction.com/habyhints/2/
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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#190 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:49 pm

Disorganized showers and thunderstorms over the northwestern Gulf of
Mexico are associated with a broad area of low pressure. Some slow
development of this system is possible before it moves inland along
the northwestern Gulf coast Tuesday night. Regardless of
development, this system is expected to produce locally heavy
rainfall and possible flash flooding along portions of the central
and upper Texas coastal areas later this week. For additional
information, see products issued by your local weather forecast
office and the Weather Prediction Center.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...20 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...low...20 percent.
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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#191 Postby lrak » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:02 pm

cycloneye wrote:
Disorganized showers and thunderstorms over the northwestern Gulf of
Mexico are associated with a broad area of low pressure. Some slow
development of this system is possible before it moves inland along
the northwestern Gulf coast Tuesday night. Regardless of
development, this system is expected to produce locally heavy
rainfall and possible flash flooding along portions of the central
and upper Texas coastal areas later this week. For additional
information, see products issued by your local weather forecast
office and the Weather Prediction Center.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...20 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...low...20 percent.


northwestern Gulf coast.....big area :double:
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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#192 Postby Garnetcat5 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:17 pm

Harvey anxiety has me wanting to leave. Brazos River 3 miles away andjones creek atthe endof my street. My house didn’t flood but we were an island.
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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#193 Postby Steve » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:20 pm

HRRR shows the setup. Low spinning off Texas coast with some developing bands. Mostly the rain is offshore tomorrow which would make sense but I’m going to be interested in what the IR shows tonight as the cloud tops cool later on. That should let us know how any flood threats look to play out Wednesday and Thursday. If you are kind of a beginner watching storms, they will often behave in certain ways throughout a 24 hour period that you can expect to be similar over the course of a few days. Obviously there are DMIN and DMAX, but not all systems behave the same or follow all the same tendencies due to pressure gradients, water/land temperature differences, other/associated air masses, time of year and whatever.

HRRR last hour
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysi ... 1622&fh=11
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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#194 Postby Stormcenter » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:23 pm

New convection building around what could be the center
of a developing low. IMO
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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#195 Postby cycloneye » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:26 pm

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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM

#196 Postby Steve » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:27 pm

And here is the the 18 hour run from HRRR (23z). Runs 18 hours from 6pm local so noon tomorrow. Look at the offshore band setting up. It’s oriented N/S so wherever that ends up on shore with what looks to be a slow moving system, you’re going to pay and then wrapping west into the circulation. If it doesn’t go far onshore, the rain is going to persist. So be ready for that anywhere from Cameron Parish into the mid Texas Coast.
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysi ... 1623&fh=17
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Re: Disturbed weather in GOM (Is INVEST 98L)

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