Official 2005 retired names and 2011 list of names

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#181 Postby Scorpion » Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:38 pm

The only names that truly deserved retirement in 2005 were the big 3: Katrina, Rita, and Wilma.
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#182 Postby MiamiensisWx » Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:39 pm

Good points, Dr. Jonah Rainwater. Katia sounds rather odd as a name, while Rina is a bit too similar to Rita/Katrina. I also agree with your last point on how Lili, Klaus, and others that were not overly destructive emough for retirement were retired, while Emily was left. Very interesting...
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#183 Postby CrazyC83 » Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:39 pm

We need to make a site specifically about it to make it more professional.
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#184 Postby CrazyC83 » Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:42 pm

Scorpion wrote:The only names that truly deserved retirement in 2005 were the big 3: Katrina, Rita, and Wilma.


Those three were the obvious, but we are basing it on past precedent.

If such were the standards, numerous other retired names would still be on the list - including all of the retired names from 2000-2003, as well as Lenny (1999), Cesar, Fran and Hortense (1996), Luis, Marilyn and Roxanne (1995), Bob (1991), Diana (1990), Joan (1988) and Elena and Gloria (1985), plus countless others.

(Of course, the biggest, like all of 2004's, Floyd, Georges, Mitch, Opal, Andrew, Hugo and Gilbert would still be retired)
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#185 Postby Scorpion » Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:51 pm

I think many names shouldnt have been retired. Definitely the 96 ones,all the 95 ones, Ivan, Jeanne, Floyd, and many others.
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#186 Postby CrazyC83 » Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:52 pm

Hurricanes that caused less damage AND fewer fatalities than Emily, yet were retired (since 1979): Juan (2003), Fabian (2003), Isidore (2002), Klaus (1990)

Hurricanes that caused less damage and <35 fatalities, yet were retired (since 1979): Iris (2001), Lenny (1999), Hortense (1996)

Hurricanes that killed fewer than Emily and caused <$1 billion (2005$) damage, yet were retired (since 1979): Lili (2002)
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#187 Postby Dr. Jonah Rainwater » Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:03 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:Hurricanes that caused less damage AND fewer fatalities than Emily, yet were retired (since 1979): Juan (2003), Fabian (2003), Isidore (2002), Klaus (1990)

Hurricanes that caused less damage and <35 fatalities, yet were retired (since 1979): Iris (2001), Lenny (1999), Hortense (1996)

Hurricanes that killed fewer than Emily and caused <$1 billion (2005$) damage, yet were retired (since 1979): Lili (2002)


Juan, Fabian, and Lenny deserved retirement for their severe impacts in areas that very rarely get severely impacted by hurricanes.

Nobody understands Klaus at all... :roll:
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#188 Postby Derek Ortt » Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:21 pm

Iris also flattened much of Belize; thus, it should have been retired.

Juan and maybe Fabian should not have been for sure. Probably Lili as well. Isidore should have been since it devastated Merida

Emily, well, this is a G rated website
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#189 Postby Calasanjy » Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:47 pm

Is Katia even a name?


Personally, I don't see what the problem is with using a Russian female name, and such a common one as Katia, on the hurricane name list. The only issue I have with this selection is that it is strikingly close to the infamous Katrina (how much effort did it take on the behalf of the Committee to come up with this one?). To add insult to injury, Rina is only a one-letter variation of Rita, and the same applies to Sean and Stan. I would strongly urge the WMO to reconsider their decisions here. Also, the decision not to retire Emily was ridiculous. It was a category 5 for God's sake, and the first one in recorded history to form in July! Even if Mexico overlooked it, another nation's delegates should have intervened and proposed it for retirement. The name Emily has been used for enough formidable hurricanes to warrant permanent erasure.

My view on hurricane namelists is that they should formulate a new list for each season, as is the procedure in the Southwest Indian Ocean, instead of rotating six lists. Six years is way too soon for names to be repeated. Also, I am disappointed that the WMO Committee was too lazy to create a proper backup list. Although I personally don't think we will exhaust the primary lists again for many years (I think 2005 was basically a once-in-a-lifetime event), the backup list could have been used for replacement names when a retirement occurs. If you look at the namelists designated for use in the Fiji AOR (South Pacific Basin), they have a backup list that they use to replace names of destructive cyclones.
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#190 Postby DoctorHurricane2003 » Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:52 pm

That is a pretty bad new list. But what can you do.

I'm going to disagree with Derek (surprise) on Juan and Fabian. Juan most definitely should have been retired considering the amount of damage it caused in and around metro Halifax (worst storm to strike Canada in many many years), and Fabian as well as it was one of the worst to strike Bermuda directly.
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#191 Postby Buck » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:32 pm

f5 wrote:Katrina

^Katia sounds familar


I believe it's a different spelling of Katya... pronounced "Cat-yah"

But I'm not 100% sure on that...
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#192 Postby Buck » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:36 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:Iris also flattened much of Belize; thus, it should have been retired.

Juan and maybe Fabian should not have been for sure. Probably Lili as well. Isidore should have been since it devastated Merida

Emily, well, this is a G rated website


Fabian was a direct hit on Bermuda and totally did a number on Bermuda. You should know this of all of us. Juan was requested by Canada for being pretty much the worst impact Canada has gotten directly. I don't see a problem with that causing retirement.
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#193 Postby HurricaneBill » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:55 pm

I gotta admit, I'm rather disappointed in the replacement names.
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#194 Postby cycloneye » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:56 pm

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2006/s2607.htm

Dennis,Katrina,Rita,Stan and Wilma haved been retired.

Official 2011 list

Arlene
Bret
Cindy
Don
Emily
Franklin
Gert
Harvey
Irene
Jose
Katia
Lee
Maria
Nate
Ophelia
Philippe
Rina
Sean
Tammy
Vince
Whitney


I forgot to post the big news at this page as I am posting it at every page for the members that are comming at this time and not haved seen it.
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#195 Postby cycloneye » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:00 pm

HurricaneBill wrote:I gotta admit, I'm rather disappointed in the replacement names.


Ditto that.
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#196 Postby Weatherfreak000 » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:08 pm

Wtf? Rina? Katia?



I can stand the other names fine but those are just horrible. Also looks like Wunderground got Emily down didnt they? :roll:


Five Retirements, that has to be a record.
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#197 Postby gilbert88 » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:11 pm

I think Katia is a rather pretty name.

It's pronounced "KA-tya"
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#198 Postby Derek Ortt » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:13 pm

damage was moderate from Fabian in Bermuda. 300 million there is not reflective of extensive damage, owing to their very good construction codes
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#199 Postby Hurricanehink » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:15 pm

Dr. Jonah Rainwater wrote:
CrazyC83 wrote:Hurricanes that caused less damage AND fewer fatalities than Emily, yet were retired (since 1979): Juan (2003), Fabian (2003), Isidore (2002), Klaus (1990)

Hurricanes that caused less damage and <35 fatalities, yet were retired (since 1979): Iris (2001), Lenny (1999), Hortense (1996)

Hurricanes that killed fewer than Emily and caused <$1 billion (2005$) damage, yet were retired (since 1979): Lili (2002)


Juan, Fabian, and Lenny deserved retirement for their severe impacts in areas that very rarely get severely impacted by hurricanes.

Nobody understands Klaus at all... :roll:


I do. Klaus caused over $200 million in damage and 12 deaths across the southeast United States in combination with Marco, and severe damage on Martinique.
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#200 Postby f5 » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:45 pm

gilbert88 wrote:I think Katia is a rather pretty name.

It's pronounced "KA-tya"


the problem is letter cosmetics all they did was change one or two letters

Rita
Rina
all they did was remove one letter
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