Official 2005 retired names and 2011 list of names
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Good points, Dr. Jonah Rainwater. Katia sounds rather odd as a name, while Rina is a bit too similar to Rita/Katrina. I also agree with your last point on how Lili, Klaus, and others that were not overly destructive emough for retirement were retired, while Emily was left. Very interesting...
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Scorpion wrote:The only names that truly deserved retirement in 2005 were the big 3: Katrina, Rita, and Wilma.
Those three were the obvious, but we are basing it on past precedent.
If such were the standards, numerous other retired names would still be on the list - including all of the retired names from 2000-2003, as well as Lenny (1999), Cesar, Fran and Hortense (1996), Luis, Marilyn and Roxanne (1995), Bob (1991), Diana (1990), Joan (1988) and Elena and Gloria (1985), plus countless others.
(Of course, the biggest, like all of 2004's, Floyd, Georges, Mitch, Opal, Andrew, Hugo and Gilbert would still be retired)
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Hurricanes that caused less damage AND fewer fatalities than Emily, yet were retired (since 1979): Juan (2003), Fabian (2003), Isidore (2002), Klaus (1990)
Hurricanes that caused less damage and <35 fatalities, yet were retired (since 1979): Iris (2001), Lenny (1999), Hortense (1996)
Hurricanes that killed fewer than Emily and caused <$1 billion (2005$) damage, yet were retired (since 1979): Lili (2002)
Hurricanes that caused less damage and <35 fatalities, yet were retired (since 1979): Iris (2001), Lenny (1999), Hortense (1996)
Hurricanes that killed fewer than Emily and caused <$1 billion (2005$) damage, yet were retired (since 1979): Lili (2002)
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CrazyC83 wrote:Hurricanes that caused less damage AND fewer fatalities than Emily, yet were retired (since 1979): Juan (2003), Fabian (2003), Isidore (2002), Klaus (1990)
Hurricanes that caused less damage and <35 fatalities, yet were retired (since 1979): Iris (2001), Lenny (1999), Hortense (1996)
Hurricanes that killed fewer than Emily and caused <$1 billion (2005$) damage, yet were retired (since 1979): Lili (2002)
Juan, Fabian, and Lenny deserved retirement for their severe impacts in areas that very rarely get severely impacted by hurricanes.
Nobody understands Klaus at all...

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Is Katia even a name?
Personally, I don't see what the problem is with using a Russian female name, and such a common one as Katia, on the hurricane name list. The only issue I have with this selection is that it is strikingly close to the infamous Katrina (how much effort did it take on the behalf of the Committee to come up with this one?). To add insult to injury, Rina is only a one-letter variation of Rita, and the same applies to Sean and Stan. I would strongly urge the WMO to reconsider their decisions here. Also, the decision not to retire Emily was ridiculous. It was a category 5 for God's sake, and the first one in recorded history to form in July! Even if Mexico overlooked it, another nation's delegates should have intervened and proposed it for retirement. The name Emily has been used for enough formidable hurricanes to warrant permanent erasure.
My view on hurricane namelists is that they should formulate a new list for each season, as is the procedure in the Southwest Indian Ocean, instead of rotating six lists. Six years is way too soon for names to be repeated. Also, I am disappointed that the WMO Committee was too lazy to create a proper backup list. Although I personally don't think we will exhaust the primary lists again for many years (I think 2005 was basically a once-in-a-lifetime event), the backup list could have been used for replacement names when a retirement occurs. If you look at the namelists designated for use in the Fiji AOR (South Pacific Basin), they have a backup list that they use to replace names of destructive cyclones.
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That is a pretty bad new list. But what can you do.
I'm going to disagree with Derek (surprise) on Juan and Fabian. Juan most definitely should have been retired considering the amount of damage it caused in and around metro Halifax (worst storm to strike Canada in many many years), and Fabian as well as it was one of the worst to strike Bermuda directly.
I'm going to disagree with Derek (surprise) on Juan and Fabian. Juan most definitely should have been retired considering the amount of damage it caused in and around metro Halifax (worst storm to strike Canada in many many years), and Fabian as well as it was one of the worst to strike Bermuda directly.
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Derek Ortt wrote:Iris also flattened much of Belize; thus, it should have been retired.
Juan and maybe Fabian should not have been for sure. Probably Lili as well. Isidore should have been since it devastated Merida
Emily, well, this is a G rated website
Fabian was a direct hit on Bermuda and totally did a number on Bermuda. You should know this of all of us. Juan was requested by Canada for being pretty much the worst impact Canada has gotten directly. I don't see a problem with that causing retirement.
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http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2006/s2607.htm
Dennis,Katrina,Rita,Stan and Wilma haved been retired.
Official 2011 list
Arlene
Bret
Cindy
Don
Emily
Franklin
Gert
Harvey
Irene
Jose
Katia
Lee
Maria
Nate
Ophelia
Philippe
Rina
Sean
Tammy
Vince
Whitney
I forgot to post the big news at this page as I am posting it at every page for the members that are comming at this time and not haved seen it.
Dennis,Katrina,Rita,Stan and Wilma haved been retired.
Official 2011 list
Arlene
Bret
Cindy
Don
Emily
Franklin
Gert
Harvey
Irene
Jose
Katia
Lee
Maria
Nate
Ophelia
Philippe
Rina
Sean
Tammy
Vince
Whitney
I forgot to post the big news at this page as I am posting it at every page for the members that are comming at this time and not haved seen it.
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HurricaneBill wrote:I gotta admit, I'm rather disappointed in the replacement names.
Ditto that.
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Dr. Jonah Rainwater wrote:CrazyC83 wrote:Hurricanes that caused less damage AND fewer fatalities than Emily, yet were retired (since 1979): Juan (2003), Fabian (2003), Isidore (2002), Klaus (1990)
Hurricanes that caused less damage and <35 fatalities, yet were retired (since 1979): Iris (2001), Lenny (1999), Hortense (1996)
Hurricanes that killed fewer than Emily and caused <$1 billion (2005$) damage, yet were retired (since 1979): Lili (2002)
Juan, Fabian, and Lenny deserved retirement for their severe impacts in areas that very rarely get severely impacted by hurricanes.
Nobody understands Klaus at all...
I do. Klaus caused over $200 million in damage and 12 deaths across the southeast United States in combination with Marco, and severe damage on Martinique.
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