Largest eye at landfall in the United States

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Re: Largest eye at landfall in the United States

#21 Postby MGC » Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:08 pm

Camille did "weaken" from 901mb to 909 at landfall on the MGC. It was likely more intense when she crossed the Louisiana islands earlier in the day.....MGC
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Re: Largest eye at landfall in the United States

#22 Postby Category 5 » Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:15 pm

MGC wrote:Betsy didn't weaken as it approached the Louisiana coast. On the contrary, Betsy's CP dropped from 953mb on Sept 9th at 1800Z out in the GOM to 948mb at Houma La well inland. HRD recently reanalyzed Betsy and concluded she was at 125KTS at landfall near Grand Isle, La......MGC


She was 150mph over the gulf.

I want to see HURDAT's findings when they get there.
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#23 Postby Hurricaneman » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:24 am

Cyclenall wrote:Hurricane Wilma, Frances (2004), Ophelia, and Katrina first come to mind.

Does anyone know if an Annular hurricane has ever hit North America while it was still Annular? This can include both the EPAC and Atlantic.


hurricane Andrew was annular, was a perfect buzzsaw when it hit south florida, dont know in the pacific
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#24 Postby Derek Ortt » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:34 am

Andrew was not annular, not even close

Read Knaff et al. (2003) for the criterion of Annular hurricanes.
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#25 Postby Category 5 » Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:25 am

Hurricaneman wrote:
Cyclenall wrote:Hurricane Wilma, Frances (2004), Ophelia, and Katrina first come to mind.

Does anyone know if an Annular hurricane has ever hit North America while it was still Annular? This can include both the EPAC and Atlantic.


hurricane Andrew was annular, was a perfect buzzsaw when it hit south florida, dont know in the pacific


No it wasn't, I think it needed a bigger eye if i'm not mistaken.
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#26 Postby Cyclone1 » Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:28 am

Andrew wasn't Annular.

Annular hurricanes are incredibly rare, and I don't think one has ever made landfall.
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#27 Postby Hurricaneman » Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:32 am

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Hurricaneman wrote:
Cyclenall wrote:Hurricane Wilma, Frances (2004), Ophelia, and Katrina first come to mind.

Does anyone know if an Annular hurricane has ever hit North America while it was still Annular? This can include both the EPAC and Atlantic.


hurricane Andrew was annular, was a perfect buzzsaw when it hit south florida, dont know in the pacific


No it wasn't, I think it needed a bigger eye if i'm not mistaken.


The only other example was in austrailia when Monica made landfall on cape Wesell
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#28 Postby Cyclone1 » Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:57 pm

Monica wasn't exactly annular either.
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#29 Postby Derek Ortt » Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:49 pm

Annular hurricanes have no rainbands... they resemble the truck tire
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Re: Largest eye at landfall in the United States

#30 Postby Blown Away » Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:26 pm

Anybody have some Atlantic Basin satellite imagery of annular hurricanes? I know Andrew was, Isabel??
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Re: Largest eye at landfall in the United States

#31 Postby HurricaneRobert » Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:50 pm

Andrew was not. Luis and Edouard (1996) probably were.
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Re: Largest eye at landfall in the United States

#32 Postby MiamiensisWx » Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:11 pm

Luis 1995 was definitely NOT an annular TC. I believe Edouard 1996, Isabel 2003, and Daniel 2006 (EPAC) are classic examples of true annular tropical cyclones.
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Re: Largest eye at landfall in the United States

#33 Postby whereverwx » Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:20 pm

Typhoon Longwang came fairly close before being dismantled by Taiwan.

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And actually, Hurricane Luis was annular at one point. Go to page 5 of this pdf document.
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Re: Largest eye at landfall in the United States

#34 Postby HurricaneRobert » Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:27 pm

MiamiensisWx wrote:Luis 1995 was definitely NOT an annular TC. I believe Edouard 1996, Isabel 2003, and Daniel 2006 (EPAC) are classic examples of true annular tropical cyclones.


I'm pretty sure it was. The eye was classic, and there were very few rainbands before it reached the Leeward Islands. Other possible ones in the EPAC: Darby (1998), Howard (1998), Beatriz (1999), Dora (1999)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/334295/Annula ... nes?page=8
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Re: Largest eye at landfall in the United States

#35 Postby Blown Away » Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:13 pm

Has there been a cane that landfalled in the US in the annular state?
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#36 Postby Derek Ortt » Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:50 pm

Luis was classified as Annuel in Knaff (2003) for a few hours
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Re: Largest eye at landfall in the United States

#37 Postby Cyclenall » Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:31 pm

Blown_away wrote:Has there been a cane that landfalled in the US in the annular state?

I already asked that and I don't think there has been one recorded.
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#38 Postby KWT » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:07 am

Was Epsilon annular, i remember the NHC stating at the time that it was resembling an annular system but was it actually such a system?
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#39 Postby Derek Ortt » Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:33 am

does it really amtter if a TC is annular?

A 120KT hurricane, whether annular or not, is going to do the same amount of damage if it crosses the coast
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Re: Largest eye at landfall in the United States

#40 Postby Big O » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:08 am

Ed Mahmoud wrote:I don't think Camille weakened much/at all approaching the Mississippi coastline, but the discussions I've seen have always suggested the shallow water offshore Texas has lower heat content, another reason why Texas, as would be expected for a state with a lot of coastline, has a fair number of TCs, but the Alicia's, Bret's and near-miss Rita (which was weakening as it approached the Louisiana coast) are the exception, rather than the rule.



Now, I don't know whether they were weakening or strengthening, but the 1960s had two strong and large storms, Beulah and Carla, that did a fair spot of damage on the Texas coast.


Don't forget Celia in 1970 that was strengthening as it made landfall. A counter to your argment about lower heat content is that Alicia stayed just off the Galveston coast for days before making landfall and went from a wave to a Cat 3 at landfall.
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