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chadtm80

#21 Postby chadtm80 » Mon May 09, 2005 3:48 pm

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chadtm80 wrote:I have never used Accu.. Wont start anytime soon. A lot of good people over there.. Just remember the mets are still qualified and respected mets.. "Management" is just being very ignorant imo with this


Accuweather is not to blame. Lobbying is just what happens on the Hill. the guilty parties are the congresspeople who choose to be bribed this way.

Oh they are at fault too.. More so I guess.. But accu is part of it, and in doing so I can't blame users from using there right to NOT use them.. So, imo ACCU most certainly is also to blame.. Just because its what "happens" dosen't mean its right and we should just shrug it off.. Not imo anyways
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#22 Postby Steve » Mon May 09, 2005 3:53 pm

Chad,

I don't think anyone would disagree with the fact that they have good mets. A couple of us have even stated that their services have been of enough value to us in the past that we paid extra for their analysis. But that's hardly the point. They're (and Weatherbank) are trying to take data bought and paid for by the public and repackage it for profit while preempting the pubilc from that data. That's a sham if ever there was one. As you (and all the mods) know, I've battled it out with many people on this forum in defense of Accuweather at times when I thought they were being unfair to Bastardi and/or the company. However, this is out the box. They won't be earning $100 off me this season (or even $150 since the price went up). That doesn't mean I don't respect them as meteorologists, it just means I don't respect their attempts to screw me over so they can increase their profit margins. I hope this whole thing backfires on them to the point that a bunch of people just say to hell with it and they lose even more money. That's the consumer's perogative, and one I am quite prepared to exercise. Next thing you know, "fan" sites such as this one will be in the crosshairs. It's not as far-fetched as you might think and one could draw quasi-parallels to what MLB did in shutting down fan sites years ago.

As for the information skywarn put up there, that's why I've lost my faith in government. I don't care who the lobbiests or contributors are, if they use money to peddle their influence, and we all know they do, they're getting an unfair shake. Obviously money in politics is a bigger issue than what I wanted to do with this thread.

To date, I haven't heard back from any of the entities I've e-mailed. I'll be sure to post their replies (standard or tailored) as/if I receive any.

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#23 Postby chadtm80 » Mon May 09, 2005 3:56 pm

I can't argue that with you Steve.. I agree with you fully.. I just wanted to make sure everyone takes there agrevation out on those that actualy deserve it
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#24 Postby Derek Ortt » Mon May 09, 2005 4:21 pm

mets at accuwx are not the best. I know for a fact, I will make about 50% more than them as a met grad student starting next week (Inaccuwx only pays their mets about 16K per year to start, and you have to sign a 39 month contract with heavy pennalties for breaking it).

The best mets will not work for that type of pay. They have lost many f the best mets for offering a low ball contract
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#25 Postby x-y-no » Mon May 09, 2005 4:22 pm

gtalum wrote:
chadtm80 wrote:I have never used Accu.. Wont start anytime soon. A lot of good people over there.. Just remember the mets are still qualified and respected mets.. "Management" is just being very ignorant imo with this


Accuweather is not to blame. Lobbying is just what happens on the Hill. the guilty parties are the congresspeople who choose to be bribed this way.


Huh??? You're saying Accuweather has no control over what the advocate in their lobbying? :?: :?: Santorum didn't come up with this bit of grand larceny on his own - someone pushed him to do it, and if not Accuweather, then who?
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#26 Postby Steve » Mon May 09, 2005 4:46 pm

That salary is attrocious DO (oh btw, I never got to congratulate you on your recent appointment.) $16 frazzling k? Wow. That's beneath sad. One could conceivably make $16k stocking or cashiering for a grocery store. That's all of $7.69 an hour. And for a degreed scientist? I'd tell them where to stick it. I know we've argued this in the past but I guess I never put two and two together that it was this bad. So now it's apparent to me that not only do they want to make money off of taxpayers but they also want to make money off their own meteorologists. That's sad. I dropped out of college after 2 years and make 3 x that in a 40 hour work week and I'm not all that. No way I'd work for a company like that. I'm almost embarassed that I've defended them at times as forcefully as I have. I love getting Bastardi's input but it's not worth it anymore to me.

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#27 Postby Wpwxguy » Mon May 09, 2005 4:53 pm

Absolutely, there mets are more than qualified. I have no problem with their mets or the accuracy of their forecasts, it is the money people who I have a beef with. I find it insulting that they would lobby to pass a bill that would pretty much railroad the American public into paying for their weather info when we get if for free now. Its just plain crazy and I don't think it has a snowballs chance in hell of passing.

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#28 Postby skywarn » Mon May 09, 2005 6:36 pm

I agree Wpwxguy. Todate there are no co-sponsors for this bill. LA. Senator Landrieu has publicly come out against it. Have yet to hear Senator Vitter's position on this matter.
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#29 Postby donsutherland1 » Wed May 11, 2005 1:23 pm

Previously, I had noted of the S.786's language that it could require that the NWS makes data available in raw format. Easy to use formats might not be protected at all, especially if the private sector is deemed to be providing such products.

The silence of Senator Santorum's office on this--now more than 3 weeks have passed since I made my request for clarification on the issue of data--appeared to confirm this hypothesis. In addition, Dr. Barry Myers' expressed opinion at a March 2004 AMS forum further reinforced this concern. In his presentation, he complained about the new NWS guidelines, "The recognition that the private weather industry is ideally suited to put the NWS information database into a form and detail that can be utilized by specific users is deleted."

The statement that private industry is "ideally suited to put the NWS information database into a form and detail that can be utilized by specific users" appeared to suggest that Dr. Myers possibly had in mind the distribution of raw data only by the NWS.

Now, there is a news report that Mike Smith, founder and CEO of WeatherData and one of the Santorum bill's advocates has exactly that in mind and this report might well be the proverbial "smoking gun" in the ongoing debate. The May 11, 2005 edition of The Wichita Eagle reported, "Smith argues that the weather service could save money by not duplicating services provided by the private sector, such as customized digital cell phone forecasts, plotted maps and digests of severe storm reports and enhanced radar displays."

Aside from digital cell phone forecasts, which should be left to the private sector in my view, the three other items constitute data and information that should remain publicly available. If those three items are restricted, then the legislation would, in fact, be restricting and reducing the public's access to data even if some of the press releases issued by the legislation's advocates, e.g., Commercial Weather Services of America, denied this intent.
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#30 Postby Agua » Wed May 11, 2005 1:52 pm

Derek Ortt wrote: (Inaccuwx only pays their mets about 16K per year to start, and you have to sign a 39 month contract with heavy pennalties for breaking it).


Are you kidding??? My gosh, that's appalling.
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#31 Postby James » Wed May 11, 2005 2:06 pm

Gosh, it really is. Talk about trying to milk these mets for all they are worth. It's very sad really.
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#32 Postby chadtm80 » Wed May 11, 2005 2:08 pm

Guys, im not sure thats what they get paid.. But if it is, then it is.. No one forced them to work there.. And it may not be there only jobs either
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#33 Postby corpusbreeze » Wed May 11, 2005 3:36 pm

I like Accuweather, and love to read JBs write ups during hurricane season.TPC is too tight lipped. Dont get me wrong I think the TPC did a fantastic job last year and will be better in the future. They need to stop talking over the heads of the common folk.
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#34 Postby x-y-no » Wed May 11, 2005 3:51 pm

corpusbreeze wrote:I like Accuweather, and love to read JBs write ups during hurricane season.TPC is too tight lipped. Dont get me wrong I think the TPC did a fantastic job last year and will be better in the future. They need to stop talking over the heads of the common folk.


I've never had anything against them before this. I was a regular reader of JB's column back when he was on the free site, I beta-tested the pro site, and I subscribed to it the first year or so it was live.

But this effort of theirs is deeply objectionable to me. Don't know what if anything I can do to hurt them in the pocketbook for this, but I'm going to try.

Jan
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#35 Postby cyclonaut » Wed May 11, 2005 4:04 pm

I lost interest in Accu & JB last year sometime.Have not visited the site or have seen one of JB's vids this year.
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#36 Postby Derek Ortt » Wed May 11, 2005 6:08 pm

thsoe like Bastardi make more, but the rank and file accuwx mets do make that paltry salary, and on top of it, it is for a 52 hour work week, not 40. Not too much above minimum wage.

Cangialosi had an accuwx contract in front of him 3 years ago. Thankfully for us at UM, he rejected it and I was equally appalled at what they had offered him (which is why I have a personal hatred for the company). The mets who can get jobs at other places or go to grad school do so (for the record, at UM, if one is not on a fellowship, a grad met student makes 22K per year PLUS tuition is covered -- and this is only for a first year student, raises come after every year and after passing comps and quals, those on fellowships typically make much more0
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