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#21 Postby cycloneye » Wed May 11, 2005 6:18 am

weatherwindow wrote:just a little jab at the GFS... one of the senior forecasters at key west used to call it the "disney" model....persistent convective feedback problem, i dont think it was ever really solved....however, in this case, it is being backed up by nogaps. 1007/8 mb low sw of jamaica by sunday then moving over hispaniola mon/tues. as mentioned in an earlier post...this could be repetiition of late may 2004 for haiti...what they wouldnt give for a few more trees on those hillsides. instead of funding another retirement home in france for another haitian president, the world bank should fund the planting of those trees and an effective rural communications system for getting people out of harms way.......rich


http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~arnottj/cgi-b ... =Animation

00z CMC

http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~arnottj/cgi-b ... =Animation

00z Nogaps

http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~arnottj/cgi-b ... =Animation

00z GFS

There are different scenarios with the 3 models above but nothing that will turn tropical in nature from this mess only a good deal of rain for the Caribbean Greater Antilles.But as always happens when troughs are around uncertainty grows when long range forecasts are made.
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#22 Postby cycloneye » Wed May 11, 2005 6:19 am



000
FXCA62 TJSJ 110933
AFDSJU

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN JUAN PR
530 AM AST WED MAY 11 2005

.DISCUSSION...

A FAIRLY DIFFICULT FORECAST FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL DAYS IN THAT WHILE
ALL THE ELEMENTS FOR THE POTENTIAL FOR HEAVY RAINFALL ARE SLOWLY
COMING TOGETHER...I.E. THE PROXIMITY OF THE FRONTAL BOUNDARY TO THE
REGION AND THE EXTENSION OF THE SUBTROPICAL JET INTO THE
CARIBBEAN...THERE IS STILL A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY IN THE FORECAST. BUT
ACCORDING TO THE LATEST GUIDANCE...THE DYNAMICS ARE MORE FAVORABLE
FOR WIDESPREAD CONVECTION FRIDAY THROUGH SUNDAY. A BROAD AND
ELONGATED SURFACE TROUGH EXTENDING FROM THE CENTRAL CARIBBEAN
NORTHEAST ACROSS THE LOCAL ISLANDS IS EXPECTED TO PERSIST TODAY
THROUGH THE WEEKEND. BUT BY FRIDAY...A PLUME OF COPIOUS LOW LEVEL
MOISTURE IS EXPECTED TO EXTEND FROM NEAR CENTRAL AMERICA AND
NORTHEASTWARD ACROSS HISPANIOLA AND INTO THE LOCAL ISLANDS. IN
ADDITION...THE MODEL GUIDANCE INDICATES THAT THE DYNAMICS WILL
RESULT IN LARGE SCALE SYNOPTIC LIFT EXTENDING FROM THE LOW LEVELS TO
NEAR 200 MB BY LATE FRIDAY AND INTO SATURDAY AND SUNDAY. IN ADDITION
THE 700 TO 850 THETA-E VALUES ARE EXPECTED TO BE INCREASING
SIGNIFICANTLY AS WELL DURING THAT TIME FRAME.

ONE OTHER FEATURE TO POINT OUT IS A TROPICAL WAVE NOW LOCATED NEAR
48.5 WEST...BUT THE MOISTURE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WAVE IS EXPECTED
TO REMAIN TO THE SOUTH OF THE LOCAL ISLANDS BY LATE FRIDAY INTO
SATURDAY.

NEED TO STRESS ONE MORE TIME THE IMPORTANCE OF THE UNCERTAINTY IN
THE FORECAST. FOR EXAMPLE...FOR THE AFOREMENTIONED TROPICAL WAVE IF
THERE IS A SLIGHT CHANGE IN THE FORECAST POSITION FOR LATE
FRIDAY...THE SUBSIDENCE AHEAD OF THE WAVE MIGHT INFLUENCE THE LOCAL
ISLANDS AND DECREASE CHANCES OF CONVECTION. IN ADDITION...IF THE
AFOREMENTIONED PLUME OF COPIOUS LOW LEVEL MOISTURE EXPECTED TO
EXTEND FROM NEAR CENTRAL AMERICA AND NORTHEASTWARD INTO THE REGION
BY FRIDAY IS SHIFTED SLIGHTLY MORE NORTHWARD THEN THERE MAY BE LESS
CHANCE OF WIDESPREAD CONVECTION. SO WILL JUST HAVE TO MONITOR THE
PROGRESS OF THESE FEATURES AND CHANGE FORECAST ACCORDINGLY AS THINGS
UNFOLD.

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#23 Postby weatherwindow » Wed May 11, 2005 8:03 am

luis...re my earlier post.....i too do not believe that upper level conditions would favor a tropical system in the sw carib. however, it certainly doesnt take a tropical system to wreak havoc in haiti...hence my reference to the scenario of last may. broad low pressure persisted in the same area that its is progged to form and the rainfall devastated haiti....haiti is a deadly place in the face of prolonged heavy rain.
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#24 Postby cycloneye » Wed May 11, 2005 3:11 pm


000
FXCA62 TJSJ 111956
AFDSJU

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN JUAN PR
355 PM AST WED MAY 11 2005

.SYNOPSIS...AT UPPER LEVELS...WEAK LOW PRESSURE HAS MOVED OFF OF
GEORGIA INTO THE ATLANTIC. AS IT DEFORMS INTO A NEARLY EAST-WEST
TROUGH A JET WITH 80-100 KNOT WEST WINDS WILL FORM ABOUT 400 MILES
NORTH OF PUERTO RICO BY FRIDAY. THE FLOW WILL BECOME INCREASINGLY
ANTICYCLONIC AND LIFT SLIGHTLY TO THE NORTHEAST UNTIL ABOUT
WEDNESDAY WHEN A NEW AND STRONGER JET WILL MOVE EAST TO A POSITION
AGAIN ABOUT 400 MILES NORTH OF PUERTO RICO. SIGNIFICANT DIVERGENCE
WILL FORM ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THIS JET OVER THE LOCAL AREA
FRIDAY...SATURDAY AFTERNOON THROUGH SUNDAY AFTERNOON AND MONDAY
MORNING...ACCORDING TO SEVERAL RUNS OF THE GFS.

AT MID LEVELS...HIGH PRESSURE WILL REMAIN CENTERED EAST OF THE
WINDWARD ISLANDS WITH WEST SOUTHWEST FLOW THE ENTIRE PERIOD.

AT LOWER LEVELS...HIGH PRESSURE REMAINS ANCHORED NEAR 35 NORTH 30
WEST. ANOTHER HIGH PRESSURE JUST EAST OF SOUTH CAROLINA WILL REMAIN
IN THE WESTERN ATLANTIC THROUGH SUNDAY. AFTER WHICH IT WILL SLOWLY
MIGRATE TO THE EAST AND BECOME ABSORBED IN THE FIRST MENTIONED HIGH
PRESSURE. THIS WILL KEEP A RIDGE OF HIGH PRESSURE EAST TO WEST
ACROSS THE AREA ABOUT 1000 MILES NORTH BETWEEN THE TWO HIGH
PRESSURES. MOISTURE ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONVERGENCE ALONG AN OLD
COLD FRONT WILL REMAIN NORTH OF OR JUST OVER PUERTO RICO THROUGH
MONDAY. A TROPICAL WAVE THAT EXTENDS FROM 10 NORTH 54 WEST TO 14
NORTH 50 WEST WILL MOVE WEST NORTHWEST UNTIL IT ARRIVES IN A MUCH
WEAKENED CONDITION ON SATURDAY AND JOINS THE OLD FRONTAL BOUNDARY.
ON TUESDAY THE MAXIMUM MOISTURE FOCUS WILL SHIFT TO JUST SOUTH OF
PUERTO RICO AND THE U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS AS THE OLD BOUNDARY MAKES
SLIGHT PROGRESS THROUGH THE AREA.


&&

.DISCUSSION...AN OLD COLD FRONT BOUNDARY IS CURRENTLY SITTING ABOUT
130 MILES NORTH OF SAN JUAN. SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS CAN BE SEEN
IN A BAND ON THE OUTER EXTREME OF OUR LOCAL RADAR AND HAVE MOVED
LITTLE SINCE THEY BEGAN GROWING EARLY THIS MORNING. CELLS SOUTH OF
THIS BAND HAVE BEEN MOVING NORTHWEST AND STRONGER SHOWERS AND
THUNDERSTORMS HAVE FORMED ON THE LEE SIDE OF THE CORDILLERA CENTRAL
ON BOTH THE EASTERN AND WESTERN SIDES OF THE ISLAND. WITH STRONG
FLOW FROM THE SOUTHEAST...TEMPERATURES HAVE BEEN A LITTLE HIGHER
THAN WOULD BE EXPECTED ON A MOSTLY CLOUDY...RAIN PUNCTUATED DAY AND
GRIDS HAVE BEEN ADJUSTED ON THIS ACCOUNT.

PRECIPITABLE WATER WAS 1.94 INCHES THIS MORNING OVER SAN JUAN AND IS
REPRESENTATIVE OF THE MOIST ENVIRONMENT THAT LIES ON THIS SIDE OF
THE FRONTAL BAND. 1000-850 MB THETA-E VALUES ARE AND WILL REMAIN
BETWEEN 343 AND 340 DEG KELVIN AT LEAST THROUGH SATURDAY. A TROPICAL
WAVE IS CURRENTLY CENTERED AT ABOUT 10 NORTH 54 DEGREES WEST AND
WHILE IT HAS AN IMPRESSIVE THETA-E SIGNATURE...IT IS CURRENTLY
UNIMPRESSIVE IN THE INFRA RED SATELLITE IMAGERY. THIS MOISTURE CAN
BE SEEN TRACKING WEST NORTHWEST AND DETERIORATING IN THE GFS.
NEVERTHELESS THE ADDITIONAL MOISTURE IS EXPECTED TO MEET THE FRONTAL
MOISTURE ON SATURDAY WITH SOME ASSOCIATED ENHANCEMENT OF THE
PRECIPITATION PATTERN.

FOUR FACTORS ARE COMING INTO PLAY THAT WILL BRING A MODEST AMOUNT
OF UNCERTAINTY TO THE FORECAST. THE POSITION OF THE MAXIMUM MOISTURE
ALONG THE CONVERGING AIR NEAR THE FRONT...THE UPPER LEVEL JET-
INDUCED DIVERGENCE ALOFT WHICH IN TURN WILL AID IN UPWARD VERTICAL
MOTION...THE PRODUCTION OF STRONG CUMULONIMBUS TOWERS OVER THE
WESTERN PORTIONS OF PUERTO RICO WHICH WILL SHIELD MOST OF THE REST
OF THE ISLAND TO THE EAST NORTHEAST FROM STRONG INSOLATION...AND THE
AMOUNT OF INHIBITION INTRODUCED BY THE SUBSIDING AIR AHEAD OF THE
VERY POSITIVELY TILTED TROPICAL WAVE APPROACHING THE AREA.

PRESENT MODEL INDICATIONS ARE THAT THE MOISTURE MAXIMUM WILL STAY
NORTH OF THE AREA UNTIL TUESDAY AND SO THE DIVERGENCE ALOFT OVER US
WILL NOT BE ABLE TO REACH ITS MAXIMUM PRECIPITATION PRODUCING
POTENTIAL. WHILE THURSDAY WILL HAVE BETTER MOISTURE THAN
FRIDAY...BOTH SEEM TO HAVE EQUAL POTENTIAL. BUT WHERE
MOISTURE...UPPER LEVEL DIVERGENCE AND STRONG MOISTURE SEEM TO COME
TOGETHER IS ON SUNDAY. AND FOR THIS REASON THE GREATEST POPS OVERALL
HAVE BEEN RESERVED FOR SUNDAYS FORECAST.

RAIN CHANCES WILL REMAIN HIGH FOR THE NORTHERN SIDE OF PUERTO RICO
FOR MOST OF THIS WEEK AND THE BEGINNING OF NEXT WEEK. BUT MODELS
SUGGEST THAT THE FRONT WILL PASS OVERHEAD MONDAY NIGHT AND MOISTURE
WILL BEGIN TO DECREASE BEGINNING ON TUESDAY OF NEXT WEEK. CURRENTLY
THE GFS IS SHOWING AN INCREDIBLE SPIKE OF 1000-850 MB THICKNESS
VALUES. VALUES THAT WILL RUN BETWEEN 1408 AND 1412 METERS FOR THE
NEXT SEVERAL DAYS WILL JUMP TO 1421 M ON 17/00Z AND THEN RETURN TO
PREVIOUS VALUES BY 19/00Z. SINCE THIS JUMP IS ALSO ACCOMPANIED BY A
SIMILAR JUMP IN SURFACE DEWPOINT VALUES IT IS NOT CLEAR IF THIS IS
DUE TO SUBSIDENCE INDUCED HEATING WHICH WILL PRODUCE AN INVERSION
NEAR THE TOP OF THE 1000-850 MB LAYER OR WHETHER THE STRONG
SOUTHWEST FLOW WILL BRING IN THE LAST BURST OF VERY WARM...MOISTURE
LADEN TROPICAL AIR AT THE BEGINNING OF SAID PERIOD.

EITHER WAY RAINFALL WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE DOMINANT FEATURE OF THE
WEATHER IN THIS SECTOR OF THE CARIBBEAN.

ONE MORE FEATURE DESERVES MENTIONING. A LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM IS QUITE
PROMINENT...AT THETA EQUAL TO 305 DEGREES KELVIN... IN THE GFS
BEGINNING ON FRIDAY JUST EAST OF THE YUCATAN PENINSULA. IT MOVES
NORTHEAST ACROSS HISPANIOLA SUNDAY NIGHT TO A POSITION OF 35 NORTH
58 WEST ON THURSDAY MORNING OF NEXT WEEK. FOR THE MODEL THIS IS THE
SYSTEM THAT PLAYS THE BIGGEST ROLE IN THE STRONG...15 TO 20
KNOT...SOUTHERLY SURFACE WINDS FORECAST FROM SUNDAY THROUGH EARLY
MORNING TUESDAY.

A SPECIAL NOTE FOR THE U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS...WITH THE STRONG
CONVERGENCE NORTH OF THE AREA IN THE FRONTAL SYSTEM SHOWERS WILL BE
A LITTLE MORE FREQUENT THAN NORMAL IN THE MOIST AIR ON THIS
SIDE...BUT BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF TOPOGRAPHIC FORCING RAINFALL
AMOUNTS SHOULD NOT BE SUFFICIENT TO PRODUCE ANY FLOODING. THERE MAY
HOWEVER BE A SLIGHT INCREASE IN SHOWER ACTIVITY...ABOVE CURRENT
LEVELS...WHEN THE TROPICAL WAVE PASSES ON SATURDAY.

WHEN THE BAND PULLS THROUGH THE AREA...PROBABLY ON MONDAY NIGHT...IT
IS POSSIBLE THAT RAINFALL AMOUNTS COULD BE SIGNIFICANT BUT THIS WILL
DEPEND ON HOW FAST THE BOUNDARY PULLS THROUGH AND WHETHER LOCAL
SURFACE CONVERGENCE IS SUFFICIENT TO PRODUCE THUNDERSTORMS ALONG THE
BAND AT THE EXACT TIME OF PASSAGE OVER THE ISLANDS.

IT IS ALSO POSSIBLE THAT THE BAND WILL SET UP SOUTH OF PUERTO
RICO...BUT OVER SAINT CROIX MID WEEK NEXT WEEK...IN WHICH CASE
SIGNIFICANT RAINS COULD OCCUR THERE THEN.

AS ALWAYS...BUT MORE SO THIS WEEK...THE AMOUNT OF RAIN RECEIVED WILL
BE VERY SENSITIVE TO THE POSITION OF THE OLD FRONTAL BOUNDARY WHICH
AT THE MOMENT IS IN A VERY DELICATE BALANCE BETWEEN NORTHERLY FLOW
FROM THE HIGH OFF OF SOUTH CAROLINA AND THE TROPICAL AIR TO OUR
SOUTH.



This is what a real great discussion (From NWS San Juan) is all about as many detailed things are discussed about the rain event of the next few days.
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#25 Postby cycloneye » Wed May 11, 2005 7:30 pm

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Here comes the rain for us.Hopefully nothing excessive about rainfall amounts occur but I will keep the members informed.
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#26 Postby cycloneye » Thu May 12, 2005 5:39 am


AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN JUAN PR
540 AM AST THU MAY 12 2005

.DISCUSSION...

THE LATEST GUIDANCE INDICATES THE SAME BASIC SCENARIO FROM PREVIOUS
RUNS...I.E. COPIOUS MOISTURE BEING ADVECTED INTO THE REGION FROM THE
NORTHWEST COAST OF SOUTH AMERICA...ACROSS THE CARIBBEAN THEN
NORTHEASTWARD TOWARD HISPANIOLA AND THE LOCAL ISLANDS. IN
ADDITION...THE UPPER LEVELS CONTINUE TO SUPPORT CONVECTION FROM THE
PRESENCE OF THE SUBTROPICAL JET.

THE DEPARTURE OF THE LATEST GUIDANCE FROM THE PREVIOUS RUNS IS THAT
THE LOW LEVEL MASS AND MOISTURE CONVERGENCE AND LARGE SCALE LIFT
THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY FORECAST TO DIRECTLY AFFECT THE LOCAL ISLANDS
HAS NOW SHIFTED SLIGHTLY MORE TO THE NORTH OF THE REGION. IN
ADDITION THE GUIDANCE SUGGESTS THAT THE UPPER LEVEL JET MAY DECREASE
SOME AFTER TODAY. HOWEVER...GIVEN THE CURRENT SATELLITE IMAGERY
INDICATING SIGNIFICANT CONVECTION TO THE SOUTHWEST OF PUERTO RICO
AND LOW LEVEL MOISTURE CONTINUOUSLY BEING ADVECTED ACROSS THE
REGION...THERE STILL IS THE POTENTIAL FOR HEAVY RAINFALL AND
THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS THE REGION TODAY. THE LATEST GUIDANCE ALSO
CONTINUES TO SUGGEST THAT FRIDAY IS STILL EXPECTED TO BE VERY ACTIVE
WITH THE AFOREMENTIONED DYNAMICS AND LARGE SCALE LIFT AT THE MID TO
UPPER LEVELS EXPECTED TO AFFECT THE REGION.


Nothing that looks likely to be of tropical in nature but let's watch his anyway just in case.
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#27 Postby msbee » Thu May 12, 2005 7:54 am

Luis
It looks like you will get some rain ( hopefully, not too much)
but it looks like a lot of moisture will go North of us.
we shall see.
Currently the weather here is overcast.
Barbara
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#28 Postby cycloneye » Thu May 12, 2005 8:12 am

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GFS continues to despict a broad low pressure in the caribbean the above way long range 288 hours.But shear has to relax in the northern caribbean for anything to get going.The only way a low pressure can develop in the Caribbean is for it to stay in the SW caribbean where shear is not strong.Personnally I dont see this developing and give it 10% chance at this time.Yeah I know about GFS model and it's sometimes phanthom lows but it's performance has been better in the past year.
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#29 Postby cycloneye » Thu May 12, 2005 3:21 pm





000
FXCA62 TJSJ 121959
AFDSJU

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN JUAN PR
358 PM AST THU MAY 12 2005

.SYNOPSIS...AT UPPER LEVELS...A PERSISTENT EAST TO WEST JET AT 250
MB OF 80-100 KNOTS WILL OSCILLATE BETWEEN 21 AND 28 NORTH DURING THE
NEXT 10 DAYS. AREAS OF DIVERGENCE...SOME STRONG...WILL PUSH ACROSS
PUERTO RICO AND THE U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS.

AT MID LEVELS...WEST SOUTHWEST FLOW WILL CONTINUE OVER THE AREA THE
ENTIRE PERIOD.

AT LOWER LEVELS...AN OLD FRONTAL BOUNDARY THAT SETTLED OVER THE AREA
FOR THE LAST TWO TO THREE DAYS WILL LIKELY REMAIN IN THE AREA FOR
THE NEXT 7 DAYS. A LOW PRESSURE ORIGINATING NEAR CENTRAL AMERICA IS
FORECAST TO MOVE ACROSS HISPANIOLA AND TO THE NORTHEAST. AS IT
PASSES NORTH OF THE AREA WEDNESDAY OR THURSDAY NEXT...IT SHOULD PUSH
THE TROUGH OVER THE AREA TO THE SOUTH. AN EASTERLY WAVE IS TILTED
FROM 10 N 61 WEST TO 15 N 56 WEST AND WILL BECOME EVEN MORE
POSITIVELY TILTED. IT IS NOW EXPECTED TO DISSIPATE LATE TOMORROW AND
SATURDAY.

&&

.DISCUSSION...FLOW ALOFT OVER PUERTO RICO IS EAST SOUTHEAST TO
SOUTHEAST BELOW 10 THOUSAND FEET AND WESTERLY ABOVE. PRECIPITABLE
WATER HAS AGAIN PUSHED ABOVE 2 INCHES AND THE SOUNDING IS FAIRLY
MOIST UP THROUGH 400 MB. RADAR SHOWS A BAND OF LIGHT TO MODERATE
RAIN STRETCHED WEST SOUTHWEST TO EAST NORTHEAST ACROSS PUERTO RICO
WITH CELLS GENERALLY MOVING ALONG THE BAND TO THE EAST NORTHEAST.
HOWEVER SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS THAT FORM BOTH SOUTHEAST OF PUERTO
RICO AND TO THE NORTH ARE MOVING ALMOST DUE WEST WHILE MOST OF THEIR
MID LEVELS ARE MOVING IN NEARLY THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. THIS IS
LEADING TO THE FORMATION OF NEW SHOWER BANDS IN THE VICINITY OF THE
FRONTAL CONVERGENCE OVER THE AREA.

THE CHANGING ORIENTATION OF THE OLD FRONTAL BOUNDARY TO A MORE
EAST-WEST PATTERN AND THE INCREASING POSITIVE TILT OF THE TROPICAL
WAVE ADVANCING RAPIDLY AT LOWER LATITUDES HAS KEPT MODEL RUNS
GROPING FOR JUST THE RIGHT SOLUTION. EARLIER RUNS SHOWED VERY STRONG
RELATIVE HUMIDITY PEAKING FROM 00-06Z ON FRIDAY OVER THE
AREA...OSTENSIBLY FROM TROPICAL MOISTURE ARRIVING FROM THE
SOUTHWEST. LATER RUNS SHOW A BUCKLE IN THE FRONTAL BAND TONIGHT THAT
PULLS THE CONVERGENCE ZONE DOWN OVER AGUADILLA AND THEN RAPIDLY
RETREATS NORTH...AHEAD OF AN AREA OF SUBSIDENCE IN FRONT OF THE
TROPICAL WAVE. AS THE BAND OF MOISTURE ASSOCIATED WITH THE WAVE
BREAKS OFF FROM ITS TROPICAL SOURCE AND MOVES TOWARD THE NORTHWEST
INTO THE CONVERGENCE ZONE OVER THE AREA...THE BAND APPEARS TO SAG
SOUTH OVER SAINT CROIX LATE FRIDAY NIGHT TO MEET IT AND THEN
FLUCTUATE WILDLY BETWEEN 17 NORTH AND 23 NORTH ON SATURDAY...
POSSIBLY RESPONDING TO AFTERNOON CONVECTION OVER PUERTO RICO
SATURDAY AFTERNOON. EVEN THE WINDS ARE ERRATIC NEAR THE SHIFTING
BOUNDARY OF THE CONVERGENCE ZONE...VARYING FROM SOUTHEAST TO NEAR
CALM OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL DAYS IN THE 1000-850 MB LAYER.

YESTERDAY MODELS WERE SHOWING A LOW PRESSURE THAT BEGAN JUST EAST OF
THE YUCATAN PENINSULA AND TRAVELED NORTHEAST ACROSS HISPANIOLA AND
THEN INTO THE WESTERN ATLANTIC NORTH OF US...DEEPENING TO AS LOW AS
994 MB. TODAY THE LOW IS WEAKER AND LESS DISTINCT. IT IS DEPICTED AS
MOVING MORE SLOWLY UP FROM ITS SOURCE AREA. YESTERDAY IT WAS THE
REASON THAT THE FRONTAL BOUNDARY WAS TO MOVE OVER PUERTO RICO AND
THE U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS MONDAY NIGHT. THE GFS NOW SHOWS THIS LOW
PUSHING THE BOUNDARY SOUTH OF US WEDNESDAY NIGHT NEXT WEEK. THE 15
TO 20 KNOT WINDS FORECAST FOR SUNDAY-MONDAY...AND NEVER QUITE
BELIEVED HERE...ARE NOW WEAKER AND LATER IN THE WEEK. A MORE LIKELY
SCENARIO IS THAT SMALLER AND WEAKER LOW PRESSURES WILL FORM IN AND
NEAR THE BOUNDARY AND CARRY OFF MOISTURE AND ENERGY TO OUR NORTHEAST
ALONG THE FRONT. IN RESPONSE...THE FRONT WILL GROW WEAKER AS TIME
PROGRESSES NEXT WEEK BUT WILL PROBABLY NOT MOVE AWAY FROM THE LOCAL
AREA...LEAVING US WITH GOOD CHANCES OF SHOWERS...ELEVATED RAINFALL
AMOUNTS AND MOSTLY CLOUDY WEATHER FOR ANOTHER 10 DAYS.

&&

.MARINE...THE MAIN HAZARD TO MARINERS IN THE UPCOMING 72 HOURS WILL
BE LIGHTNING FROM THE SCATTERED THUNDERSTORMS IN THE ATLANTIC AND
THE CARIBBEAN. SEAS ARE EXPECTED TO DROP TO 3 TO 4 FEET IN BOTH
WATERS AND WINDS WILL GENERALLY BE LIGHT TO MODERATE EXCEPT IN THE
IMMEDIATE VICINITY OF THUNDERSTORMS.


&&

.AVIATION...AREAS OF VERY POOR VISIBILITIES WILL CONTINUE IN THE
VICINITY OF THE FRONTAL BAND DUE TO THE HEAVY RAIN IN SHOWERS AND
THUNDERSTORMS BOTH OVER LAND AND SEA. TOPS ARE GENERALLY BELOW 30
THOUSAND FEET BUT ISOLATED TURRETS CAN REACH 45 THOUSAND. WHILE SOME
CLEAR LAYERS MAY BE FOUND BETWEEN LAYERS...THEY WILL BE PUNCTUATED
BY NUMEROUS CONVECTIVE TOWERS.


&&

.HYDROLOGY...ALTHOUGH HEAVY RAINS DID FALL...MAINLY IN THE EASTERN
PORTION OF PUERTO RICO...AND ALTHOUGH RAIN HAS FALLEN ALMOST
EVERYWHERE IN THE STATE...RIVERS HAVE RESPONDED ONLY WEAKLY TO THE
RAIN SO FAR. THE FLASH FLOOD WATCH WILL BE CONTINUED THROUGH THE
EVENING HOURS AT LEAST...IN ANTICIPATION OF MORE RAIN FORMING IN THE
CARIBBEAN AND MOVING ONSHORE OVER PUERTO RICO. ALTHOUGH RAIN HAS
FALLEN OVER SAINT THOMAS AND SAINT CROIX...AMOUNTS HAVE NOT BEEN
SUFFICIENT TO GENERATE FLOODING AND THIS IS EXPECTED TO REMAIN THE
CASE.



Looks like more wet weather for the caribbean but nothing that may develop into a tropical system but we will watch anyway.It's an enrichment pleasure to read that very long detailed discussion that let the people know what is going on in all levels of the atmosphere.

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Broad low pressure still is shown at the 12z GFS but nothing of tropical in nature.
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#30 Postby cycloneye » Thu May 12, 2005 3:29 pm

msbee wrote:Luis
It looks like you will get some rain ( hopefully, not too much)
but it looks like a lot of moisture will go North of us.
we shall see.
Currently the weather here is overcast.
Barbara


So far no big widespread rains here but some flooding of urban nature.But the soils are very saturated and any more rain will not be good.And the latest forecast is for more rain in the next 5 days at least.
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#31 Postby cycloneye » Thu May 12, 2005 8:30 pm

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A radar loop of how the wet pattern is occuring over Puerto Rico.So dar over 8.00 inches haved fallen in central Puerto Rico since last sunday.And more rain is on the way as the upper trough and jet stream will be hanging around for a few more days.
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#32 Postby gatorcane » Thu May 12, 2005 8:44 pm

The Southern Caribbean is getting active :eek:
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#33 Postby Rainband » Thu May 12, 2005 9:46 pm

seems to be mostly south and north of PR. Stay safe :wink:
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#34 Postby cycloneye » Fri May 13, 2005 5:12 am

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AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN JUAN PR
545 AM AST FRI MAY 13 2005

.DISCUSSION...MID TO UPPER LEVEL TROUGH AND ASSOCIATED UPPER LEVEL
JET WILL CONTINUE TO EXTEND FROM THE LOCAL ISLANDS NORTH AND
NORTHWEST THROUGH SATURDAY...THEN A SHORT WAVE RIDGE MOVES ACROSS
THE LOCAL AREA SATURDAY NIGHT AND SUNDAY...FOLLOWED BY ANOTHER
TROUGH BECOMING LOCATED JUST WEST THROUGH NORTHWEST OF THE LOCAL
ISLANDS FOR MONDAY AND TUESDAY.

AT LOW LEVELS...A TROPICAL WAVE LOCATED OVER THE EASTERN CARIBBEAN
EARLY THIS MORNING...WILL MOVE WEST NORTHWEST THROUGH THIS
MORNING...THEN PASS ACROSS OR JUST SOUTH OF THE LOCAL ISLANDS THIS
AFTERNOON THROUGH TONIGHT. THE ELONGATED REMNANTS OF AN OLD FRONTAL
BOUNDARY EXTENDING FROM THE NORTH COAST OF HISPANIOLA EAST NORTHEAST
TO JUST NORTH OF THE LOCAL ISLANDS...AND THEN NORTHEAST INTO THE
CENTRAL ATLANTIC...WILL REMAIN NEARLY STATIONARY THROUGH SATURDAY
NIGHT. ON SUNDAY...WEAK SURFACE LOW PRESSURE IS FORECAST TO DEVELOP
NORTH OF THE LOCAL AREA AND ALONG THIS OLD BOUNDARY...AND THEN BEGIN
TO MOVE NORTHEAST TOWARD THE CENTRAL ATLANTIC MONDAY. BASED ON
SATELLITE AND RADAR...LOOKS LIKE AT LEAST SOME OF THE MOISTURE FROM
THE TROPICAL WAVE WILL GET PULLED UP THIS FAR NORTH...AS CURRENT
SYNOPTIC PATTERN ALLOWS MOISTURE TO BE ADVECTED FURTHER NORTH AND
NORTHWEST THAN WHAT MIGHT NORMALLY BE THE CASE FOR THIS TIME OF
YEAR. SO...COMBINATION OF AFOREMENTIONED TROPICAL WAVE AND OLD
FRONTAL BOUNDARY...VERY MOIST AND UNSTABLE AIR MASS...MID TO UPPER
LEVEL DYNAMICS AND LOCAL EFFECTS...SHOULD MAKE FOR MOSTLY CLOUDY TO
CLOUDY SKIES...SCATTERED TO NUMEROUS SHOWERS AND ISOLATED TO
SCATTERED THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS THE LOCAL ISLANDS TODAY THROUGH
SATURDAY. WE ALLOWED PREVIOUS FFA TO EXPIRE AT 300 AM...BUT GIVEN
ANTECEDENT SATURATED OR NEARLY SATURATED SOIL CONDITIONS IN MANY
AREAS AND THE POTENTIAL FOR UPCOMING SHOWERS AND STORMS TO BE
PROLIFIC RAIN PRODUCERS...EXPECT SOME URBAN AND SMALL STREAM
FLOODING TODAY THROUGH SATURDAY...WITH AT LEAST LOCALIZED FLASH AND
RIVER FLOODING.

FOR SATURDAY NIGHT AND SUNDAY...SHORT WAVE RIDGE AND "SOMEWHAT"
DRIER LOCAL AIR MASS...SHOULD ALLOW FOR A BIT LESS CLOUDINESS AND
FEWER SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS. THEN...BY MONDAY AND TUESDAY...
DYNAMICS IMPROVE AGAIN AND WILL BE WAITING TO SEE HOW MODEL
PROJECTED SURFACE LOW IN THE SOUTHERN CARIBBEAN DEVELOPS AND MOVES
AND EXACTLY HOW CLOSE IT COMES TO FA. ONE THING SEEMS SOMEWHAT
CERTAIN AND THAT IS...THAT A LARGE AREA OF VERY DEEP AND UNSTABLE
TROPICAL AIR WITH AN ELONGATED THETA E RIDGE...WILL BE ADVECTED
NORTHEAST TOWARD AND THEN ACROSS THE LOCAL ISLANDS FOR MONDAY AND
TUESDAY AND WHEN COMBINED WITH FAVORABLE DYNAMICS AND LOCAL
EFFECTS...SHOULD MAKE FOR NUMEROUS TO WIDESPREAD SHOWER AND
THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY. WE WILL BE CLOSELY MONITORING THE LOCAL
WEATHER AND MODEL TRENDS OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS...AS WE ATTEMPT TO
FINE TUNE THE FORECAST FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL DAYS. STAY TUNED.




Interesting scenario in terms of that low pressure developing but so far nothing that may turn tropical however the tropics are the tropics and they hand to us many surprises so let's continue to watch this event in the comming days.But for us here in the meantime plenty of rain as the wave interacts with the trough.
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#35 Postby msbee » Fri May 13, 2005 7:20 am

another overcast day here.
so far not much rain at all.
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#36 Postby Rainband » Fri May 13, 2005 8:14 am

MEANWHILE...OVER THE CENTRAL CARIBBEAN...THE MODELS
CONSISTENTLY FORECAST A SURFACE LOW TO FORM OVER NORTHEAST
NICARAGUA THROUGH 48-60 HRS. THE LOW THEN DRIFTS OFF THE
COAST...TO MEANDER SOUTH OF THE CAYMAN ISLES/WEST OF JAMAICA
THROUGH 72-84 HRS. THE MODELS...ALTHOUGH AGREE ON THE
POTENTIAL FOR A SURFACE CYCLONE TO FORM...DIFFER ON ITS
INTENSITY AND TRAJECTORY AFTER 72/84 HRS...WITH SOME
EJECTING IT ACROSS JAMAICA/HISPANIOLA. THE MAIN CONCERN FOR
NOW WILL BE ITS IMPACT ON NORTHEAST NICARAGUA/HONDURAS ...
WHERE IT COULD FAVOR COPIOUS RAINFALL AMOUNTS...WITH MAXIMA
OF 75-100MM/DAY. SIMILARLY ACROSS JAMAICA...AND POTENTIALLY
THE CAYMAN ISLES LATER IN THE CYCLE. THE DEVELOPING LOW WILL
SUPPORT A NORTHERLY FLOW ACROSS THE WESTERN CARIBBEAN...
WHICH IS LIKELY TO FAVOR AN INCREASE IN CONVECTION ACROSS
NORTHERN HONDURAS/CENTRAL GUATEMALA.

ANOTHER TROPICAL WAVE IS INITIALIZED ALONG 95W...TO MOVE
ALONG 97W BY 24 HRS...101W/102W BY 36 HRS...105W BY 48
HRS...106W BY 60 HRS (WHERE IT EVOLVES INTO A CLOSED LOW AS
IT INTERACTS WITH THE ITCZ)...AND ALONG 107W/108W BY 72 HRS.
MOST ACTIVE CONVECTION IS EXPECTED ALONG THE ITCZ.

BRAITHWAITE...ABMS (ANTIGUA-BARBUDA)
WILLIAMS...BMS (BARBADOS)
DAVISON...NCEP (HPC)
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#37 Postby cycloneye » Fri May 13, 2005 9:37 am

msbee wrote:another overcast day here.
so far not much rain at all.


Keep watching there Barbara to see if this low pressure gets close enough to your island and causes the needed rain to end the drought.
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#38 Postby msbee » Fri May 13, 2005 10:53 am

I'm watching, Luis! :lol:
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#39 Postby cycloneye » Fri May 13, 2005 11:03 am

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GFS in 144 hours show the low already in the atlantic and having some deepening but not developing.
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#40 Postby cycloneye » Fri May 13, 2005 2:30 pm

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Here it comes.

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