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#21 Postby SouthernWx » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:46 pm

donsutherland1 wrote:Bucman1,

The argument that Florida's west coast is rarely hit by major hurricanes is anything but factual. Besides the twin Tampa Bay hurricanes of 1848, major hurricanes made landfall on the west coast since that time in the following years:

• 1873
• 1896
• 1921
• 1944
• 1950 Easy
• 2004 Charley

In addition, 3 made landfall in extreme southwestern FL:

• 1906
• 1948
• 1960 Donna



Very true Don, and also.....there have been several major hurricanes to impact the Florida east coast and remain major hurricanes ALL THE WAY across the peninsula into the Gulf of Mexico.

Everyone should remember hurricane Andrew crossing the Everglades and emerging into the Gulf with 130 mph sustained winds. IF that track had been only 15 or 20 miles farther north, Naples would have been pummelled by 150-160 mph wind gusts in the northern eyewall.

The 1926 "Great Miami hurricane" slammed into Miami/Fort Lauderdale as a large and intense (140-150 mph) cat-4 monster. While the hurricane did weaken some during passage over Florida, it is estimated winds were still 125 mph or so (cat-3) as the eye exited into the GOM near Fort Myers. In those days, the Florida SW coast was almost barren....not so today. If a similar hurricane scenario occurs in 2005, both SE and SW coasts will be devastated by major hurricane conditions.

The 1888 Miami hurricane (945 mb) crossed south Florida on a path similar to Betsy and Andrew....it's possible cat-3 winds affected the lower SW coast on that occasion (depending on size of the eyewall).

In September 1947, a tremendous cat-4 hurricane, an extremely large 135-140 mph monster (940 mb) struck the Florida SE coast between Boca Raton and Hollywood, the eye crossing directly over Fort Lauderdale. This huge hurricane moved very slowly across southern Florida...so we aren't certain major hurricane conditions were experienced along the SW coast. Saying that, there is considerable evidence sustained winds reached 100-110 mph with 125+ mph gusts over a wide swath of SW Florida....from the Everglades northwestward to Sarasota county. Combined with torrential rains totalling 20-30" in some areas, a repeat of this hurricane would cause devastating damage in all of SE Florida, and extensive wind and flood damage along much of the SW Florida coast.

A major hurricane doesn't neccesarily have to impact SW Florida from the GOM to cause major damage to Tampa/ St Pete, Sarasota, Fort Myers, or Naples....history dictates vigilance of everyone in SW Florida, even if the intense hurricane is coming into SoFla from the east or southeast.

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#22 Postby bucman1 » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:52 pm

if jeanne or frances was moving much faster(forward speed) the damage
on the west coast of fla would have been much worse.
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#23 Postby gatorcane » Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:00 pm

if jeanne or frances was moving much faster(forward speed) the damage on the west coast of fla would have been much worse.


Jeanne and Frances were baby hurricanes compared to the ones SouthernWx referenced. BTW, great entry SouthernWx, it drives your point home nicely. Yes, storms don't necessarily need to hit the west coast. But Bucman, if there is any good news SW FL is more at risk from Hurricanes that come in from the E than the Tampa area. If Jeanne and Frances were farther south they would have remained far more powerful. The southern part of FL can't weaken Hurricanes as much as central or north FL due to the flat and swampy topography and the fact that the amount of land to cross lessens the farther south you go.
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#24 Postby bucman1 » Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:15 pm

Great conversation guysand gals-thanks so much for being open and honest .

I am new to this forum and have been enjoying it immensly-
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#25 Postby Rainband » Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:17 pm

bucman1 wrote:Great conversation guysand gals-thanks so much for being open and honest .

I am new to this forum and have been enjoying it immensly-
Welcome back 8-)
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#26 Postby gatorcane » Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:24 pm

Go Bucs too!
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#27 Postby bucman1 » Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:27 pm

Boca-now your talking-they better be better than last year!
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#28 Postby gatorcane » Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:36 pm

the bucs would still have a good team if they kept Dungy...but that's another subject. I've never been gunhoe over Gruden.
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#29 Postby Swimdude » Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:56 pm

I could've sworn I saw this information on Jacksonville... Hmm.
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#30 Postby dhweather » Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:10 pm

boca_chris wrote:the bucs would still have a good team if they kept Dungy...but that's another subject. I've never been gunhoe over Gruden.


Off topic - but who has a super bowl ring? That's all the owners care about.
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#31 Postby Scorpion » Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:50 pm

People are somewhat complacent here too. They think we got Cat 2 and Cat 3 hurricanes here and there was hardly any damage just some trees down.
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#32 Postby bucman1 » Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:24 pm

you would think they would take it seriously on the east coast after
what they went through last year.

as usual people don't it seriously until someone gets hurt.
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#33 Postby SouthernWx » Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:29 pm

Scorpion wrote:People are somewhat complacent here too. They think we got Cat 2 and Cat 3 hurricanes here and there was hardly any damage just some trees down.


Yes, those two hurricanes both spared to great degree Palm Beach county. Gusts to hurricane force...even 100 mph in isolated areas, but still the worst of Jeanne occurred from Stuart northward to Vero Beach (the first major hurricane at Vero and Fort Pierce since 1933; first in the Hobe Sound and Stuart areas since 1949).

Even though Jeanne was a cat-3, it was a weak cat-3, nowhere close to the 1928 cat-4 intensity, and to be honest....not even as intense as the 1949 hurricane was. The 1949 cat-3 produced a 160 mph gust in Stuart (anemometer atop a fire station), and 110 mph wind gusts at West Palm Beach airport before the instrument was destroyed. As far as I'm aware, the peak gusts recorded along the Florida coast during Jeanne were near 130 mph (although even higher gusts likely occurred along the beachfront/ on the barrier island).

As insane as this sounds to some....Florida was truly fortunate in 2004. If Charley had been larger in diameter or had impacted Tampa/ St Pete, Sarasota, or Fort Myers; if Frances hadn't weakened and missed Palm Beach and Broward counties; if Jeanne hadn't missed the same two highly populated counties; if Ivan had slammed ashore at 931 mb/ 120 kt....it could have been far more catastrophic.

The 1928 monster hurricane was about the same size and intensity as Floyd at it's peak in 1999. If Floyd had continued WNW another 24 hours....the track would have been a carbon copy of 1928....with massive damage along the coast from Fort Lauderdale all the way to Savannah, and 130+ mph gusts in Orlando. That's how bad it was in 28', and how bad it could someday be again :eek:

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