Maximum Alberto Intensity

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#21 Postby drezee » Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:05 am

wxman57 wrote:
boca_chris wrote:
wxman57 wrote:I seriously doubt Alberto had any 70 mph sustained wind. Recon was flying without SFMR (per Derek). With a core as tilted as Alberto's due to shear, it was very difficult to drop dropsondes in the max wind area. Recon was using a 0.9 FL to surface conversion, which was likely way too high given the dry air entrainment and hybrid low status. Plenty of buoys and ships in its path, and the maximum I saw reported from a buoy was 40 kts. One ship reported a 50 kt wind, but that ship was reporting consistently a good 10 kts higher than other observations around it. They may not have been adjusting for ship movement properly.

Bottom line, there's no data to support hurricane strength. With Cindy, there were actually a few (or one) surface report of 74 mph wind plus other measurements that indicated 74 mph at the surface. Not so with Alberto.


maybe they should downgrade it to max winds of 40mph...when it came ashore the effects were very minimal as far as wind - there is no way it was even a strong TS...


No, not 40 mph. There were several reliable buoys in it's path reporting 40kt winds, and it's possible there were a few pockets of 45 or 50kt winds. But 60kt winds is probably an exaggeration based solely upon a 90% FL to surface wind conversion.


They used a 0.8 conversion at the boundary layer.

74kts * 0.8 = 59.2kts surface
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#22 Postby Audrey2Katrina » Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:48 pm

StormScanWx wrote:Just out of curiousity, does anyone out there think we had a hurricane at some point?

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Hurricane gusts, almost certainly... but a hurricane... nope... don't even think it was close.

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#23 Postby Jim Cantore » Sat Jun 17, 2006 7:49 pm

Its center was never competely under the CDO, I say it was never even 70mph.
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#24 Postby george_r_1961 » Sun Jun 18, 2006 12:50 am

I do not believe Alberto was ever a hurricane. As was stated earlier its doubtful the strongest winds were mixing down to the surface due to its poor structure. As far as the winds over NC are concerned, Alberto had ceased to be a tropical entity and was now a baroclinic system, deriving its energy from the temperature differences on opposite sides of the front it had entrained instead of getting its energy from warm waters. We saw a transition from a warm core system to to a deep powerful cold core system. It became much more powerful than i thought it would.
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