Reading the Signs in Tropical Waters

[Blown Away]

Alot of people are w/ you BB, your twist on weather is a welcomed change. The moderator already told you to post these kind of topics during quiet times, you are playing by the rules. Most are amateurs posting in this forum. If pro's want pure scientific discussion goto to the "Tropical Analysis", the problem is very few post there because us amateurs are more fun and combine emotion with weather, it's not all pure science.

[sevenleft]

Alot of people are w/ you BB, your twist on weather is a welcomed change. The moderator already told you to post these kind of topics during quiet times, you are playing by the rules. Most are amateurs posting in this forum. If pro's want pure scientific discussion goto to the "Tropical Analysis", the problem is very few post there because us amateurs are more fun and combine emotion with weather, it's not all pure science.

Nobody is telling him not to post. Just don't get so bent out of shape when his forecast and his methods meet criticisms.

[Berwick Bay]

So well said, Blown Away. This is a place for amateurs. I'm at home here with a lot of friends. And this thing about "constructive criticism". They're running for cover now. I hope they run all the way over to that boring board, where they congratulate each other on figuring out whats going on AFTER THE FACT. Thank you.

[Air Force Met]

Thank you Houston. They started the fight today, and then continued badgering me tonight. They may have started it, but I'm gonna finish it.

Hmmmm...that sounds FAR more threatening and out of line than anything I or anyone else has said to you.

Matter of fact...it sounds like a threat

['CaneFreak]

Man, I REALLY bother you guys don't I? You guys really have no room for someone like me do you? It looks like you're tracking every post I make on some kind of "witchhunt". Between Air Force, Sevenleft, and Aric, might be hard for me to get a word or a poem in edgewise. I'll be anxiously awaiting your sarcasm and negativity now with every post.

When you post what you post on a scientific board...what do you expect? This board has existed and thrived on scientific discussion of the tropics (and other areas in other rooms)...and metaphysics is not an area that is very fitting (...at least I hope it isn't)...and I say this as a person of faith who believes God is in control of everything...but that He has placed scientific laws to govern His universe.

And its not a witchhunt...unless you are a witch.

Maybe you should rethink what you are posting? Seems to me that you are asking for it a bit...and to be honest...I think you know you are. Seems like some baiting going on...then when the fish bites you cry foul.

Just my opinion...which is different from scientific fact.

I am going to back up Air Force Met here....there is a fine line between scientific facts and metaphysics....I am not trying to bash you in the least bit....but I think if you are going to make a forecast...make it based on scientific facts alone without the poetry...I loved the poetry personally....but it SHOULD GO IN THE OFF TOPIC FORUM...if you want to post a note in this forum for others that care to read the poetry to direct them over to the other forum, I see no problem in you doing that....but the basis of the posts in this forum are soley based on SCIENTIFIC FACTS...(ie...I see an ULL moving to the east at 15 kts and an in a few days this will place an upperlevel ridge over the entire gulf and Carribean and THIS might allow for some development due to the decreased shear and moist mid level conditions...) I dont personally think Air Force Met is out to get you...He is just trying to point out that there is a fine line between scientific fact and metaphysics when it is posted in THIS FORUM....no one would have a problem if it was in another forum...AGAIN DONT TAKE THIS PERSONALLY...I liked the poetry but it just doesnt go in this forum.

[JonathanBelles]

I agree BB, this all needs to be stopped! This is directly from the rules: (paraphrased and quoted)

2. Conduct. Storm2k is a FLAME free site. We do not allow personal attacks and/or personal insults. ... Harassment of any kind will not be tolerated and is defined as "A course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress in such person and serves no legitimate purpose" or "words, gestures, and actions which tend to annoy, alarm and abuse (verbally) another person." ... Non-compliance of the rules will be met with restrictions on your account including suspension or a permanent ban. Show some RESPECT and think before you post. ...

[canetracker]

BB: I have to agree with AFM. I dont think he or other posters are ganging up on you but they dont understand your methods just like you do not understand their methods. I like you because you add interest to the board and your posts are thought provoking. However, you have to understand their are posters who are going to debate you. Just take it for what it is. They are debating you, trying to understand you and sometimes debates can be perceived as an attack. Like HouTxmetro, I dont want you to quit posting your thoughts either. However, do understand you will encounter debate.

[sevenleft]

I agree BB, this all needs to be stopped! This is directly from the rules: (paraphrased and quoted)

2. Conduct. Storm2k is a FLAME free site. We do not allow personal attacks and/or personal insults. ... Harassment of any kind will not be tolerated and is defined as "A course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress in such person and serves no legitimate purpose" or "words, gestures, and actions which tend to annoy, alarm and abuse (verbally) another person." ... Non-compliance of the rules will be met with restrictions on your account including suspension or a permanent ban. Show some RESPECT and think before you post. ...

Once again, nobody has violated any of that.

[Derecho]

So well said, Blown Away. This is a place for amateurs. I'm at home here with a lot of friends. And this thing about "constructive criticism". They're running for cover now. I hope they run all the way over to that boring board, where they congratulate each other on figuring out whats going on AFTER THE FACT. Thank you.

Nothing is more boring (or more useless) than a board where all criticism of anything is banned.

[Berwick Bay]

I really respect you opinions Canefreak, since they are given with integrity and decency. I may disagree with you, but I respect you. Now here's my disagreement. The moderators have established what goes on here. Thats nobody else's business. And until someone in authority tells me that there's been a policy change, I'm not going to change my type of forecasting. You know I've received many e-mails of support for what I do too. I'm not gonna' be run-off because a met is offended by me. THIS IS THE PEOPLE'S FORUM. If its not serious enough for mets, there another board for them. Isn't that right??

['CaneFreak]

I agree BB, this all needs to be stopped! This is directly from the rules: (paraphrased and quoted)

2. Conduct. Storm2k is a FLAME free site. We do not allow personal attacks and/or personal insults. ... Harassment of any kind will not be tolerated and is defined as "A course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress in such person and serves no legitimate purpose" or "words, gestures, and actions which tend to annoy, alarm and abuse (verbally) another person." ... Non-compliance of the rules will be met with restrictions on your account including suspension or a permanent ban. Show some RESPECT and think before you post. ...

Once again, nobody has violated any of that.

You need to scroll up...there was some things said that should not have been said....

['CaneFreak]

I really respect you opinions Canefreak, since they are given with integrity and decency. I may disagree with you, but I respect you. Now here's my disagreement. The moderators have established what goes on here. Thats nobody else's business. And until someone in authority tells me that there's been a policy change, I'm not going to change my type of forecasting. You know I've received many e-mails of support for what I do too. I'm not gonna' be run-off because a met is offended by me. THIS IS THE PEOPLE'S FORUM. If its not serious enough for mets, there another board for them. Isn't that right??

He's not offended....he just doesnt agree with your forecast style...there's a major difference between offense and disagreement...look it up in Webster's Dictionary....I promise you he is not really offended....he just doesnt agree with your forecast style...

[Air Force Met]

I agree BB, this all needs to be stopped! This is directly from the rules: (paraphrased and quoted)

2. Conduct. Storm2k is a FLAME free site. We do not allow personal attacks and/or personal insults. ... Harassment of any kind will not be tolerated and is defined as "A course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress in such person and serves no legitimate purpose" or "words, gestures, and actions which tend to annoy, alarm and abuse (verbally) another person." ... Non-compliance of the rules will be met with restrictions on your account including suspension or a permanent ban. Show some RESPECT and think before you post. ...

Once again, nobody has violated any of that.

Unless we are not allowed to question, critique or ctiticize anyone's prediction...especially those who may be over-sensative. Let's face it...some people are thicker skinned than others. SOme people can take all the criticism of their methods in the world and it rolls off them like water off a ducks back...and some hit the "I'm getting picked on" button when you start pointing out obvious errors in the forecast.

This has not reached the level of flaming. If anything...saying you will finish it is more of a personal attack than anything I have seen posted all day.

But I guess that will be OK. Since I have thick skin...I won't claim a violation of the rules and run to the moderators. I only do that when amatuers begin to annoy me.

[sevenleft]

I agree BB, this all needs to be stopped! This is directly from the rules: (paraphrased and quoted)

2. Conduct. Storm2k is a FLAME free site. We do not allow personal attacks and/or personal insults. ... Harassment of any kind will not be tolerated and is defined as "A course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress in such person and serves no legitimate purpose" or "words, gestures, and actions which tend to annoy, alarm and abuse (verbally) another person." ... Non-compliance of the rules will be met with restrictions on your account including suspension or a permanent ban. Show some RESPECT and think before you post. ...

Once again, nobody has violated any of that.

You need to scroll up...there was some things said that should not have been said....

Not really. Berwick doesn't really understand the position of the "attackers". That, we aren't attacking him, just disagreeing with his forecast and looking for some kind of discussion. He doesn't have to discuss it at all, but he has to stop accusing us of attacking him.

If any disagreement is viewed as an attack here, then I'll be pretty speechless, because I'll be banned.

['CaneFreak]

Thank you Houston. They started the fight today, and then continued badgering me tonight. They may have started it, but I'm gonna finish it.

Hmmmm...that sounds FAR more threatening and out of line than anything I or anyone else has said to you.

Matter of fact...it sounds like a threat

this is what i was referring to there sevenleft...

[sevenleft]

Thank you Houston. They started the fight today, and then continued badgering me tonight. They may have started it, but I'm gonna finish it.

Hmmmm...that sounds FAR more threatening and out of line than anything I or anyone else has said to you.

Matter of fact...it sounds like a threat

this is what i was referring to there sevenleft...

Oh I thought you were referring to something said by one of "us".

Yeah, I don't think what Berwick said is gonna cause AFM or I to cry ourselves to sleep tonight.

[thejourney]

Hi everyone - first post for me. Ive lurked on Storm2k for a few years. Seeing as how I have 0 training in anything weather related (all my schooling is in the social sciences), I cant really contribute and be of value here...except on this!

I think this is an interesting discussion. When I saw Berwicks method of forecasting I was surprised, but to me its just his way of expressing his opinion.

Minor point about use of terms though...if we are talking about philosophy, Berwick isn't doing metaphysics, quite the opposite - he is choosing to act as an oracle. Much like the Oracle of Delphi, we now have the (people anointed? self anointed?) Oracle of Storm2k. He is purposely speaking through poem and vagueness to enhance the probability that his forecast will prove correct. He draws pictures with metaphors and symbols that can mean many things, which could draw criticism. Now, I don't have a problem with that - people love oracles. However, I can see as to how some - more methodologically trained in the sciences than I - might take up issue with it.

[Air Force Met]

I really respect you opinions Canefreak, since they are given with integrity and decency. I may disagree with you, but I respect you. Now here's my disagreement. The moderators have established what goes on here. Thats nobody else's business. And until someone in authority tells me that there's been a policy change, I'm not going to change my type of forecasting. You know I've received many e-mails of support for what I do too. I'm not gonna' be run-off because a met is offended by me. THIS IS THE PEOPLE'S FORUM. If its not serious enough for mets, there another board for them. Isn't that right??

You know...we have had this discussion in years past...and when it boilded down between making a choice between the pro-mets and a few voices who couldn't get along with them...it wasn't us that got placed elsewhere.

It is the people's forum...but I think you need to get a better definition of what that is. It is a place where people discuss ideas...and when amatuers make forecast that go against meteorological sense...expect the mets to chime in. The other pro-mets haven't chimed in...and I guess that is because they are in the background getting a good laugh out of all this. But...part of being the people's forum means when you stick it out there...prepare to defend it. The definition of the people's forum is NOT a free for all where everyone's opinions are equal and given equal weight and all respected...and thus nobody can question them or say you are wrong.

That is NOT the definition. It is a place where ideas can be freely shared...but with the understanding that if you put it out there prepare to defend it. If you can't do that without getting your feelings hurt than you...or nobody else for that matter...have no right to hang the matza ball out there to get swung at in the first place.

[senorpepr]

Okay folks... let's settle down.

First, the admin has said that BB can post his threads here. It's not hurting anyone. If you don't enjoy his posts, move on.

With that said, BB, just because someone questions your methods, it does not mean they are attacking you.


Hopefully this thread can simmer down. I have crab and mango to eat...

['CaneFreak]

Hi everyone - first post for me. Ive lurked on Storm2k for a few years. Seeing as how I have 0 training in anything weather related (all my schooling is in the social sciences), I cant really contribute and be of value here...except on this!

I think this is an interesting discussion. When I saw Berwicks method of forecasting I was surprised, but to me its just his way of expressing his opinion.

Minor point about use of terms though...if we are talking about philosophy, Berwick isn't doing metaphysics, quite the opposite - he is choosing to act as an oracle. Much like the Oracle of Delphi, we now have the (people anointed? self anointed?) Oracle of Storm2k. He is purposely speaking through poem and vagueness to enhance the probability that his forecast will prove correct. He draws pictures with metaphors and symbols that can mean many things, which could draw criticism. Now, I don't have a problem with that - people love oracles. However, I can see as to how some - more methodologically trained in the sciences than I - might take up issue with it.

Im glad you see the controversy.....WELCOME