Possible development in the Western Atlantic / GOM (Is Invest 97L)

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Re: Possible development in the central Atlantic (0/60)

#281 Postby BobHarlem » Tue Jul 30, 2024 7:03 am

boca wrote:
GCANE wrote:Strong Omega Block forecast over mid Conus.
Looking more likely for a GOM TC


I don’t think the NHC agrees with the omega block looks like they are siding with the Euro,Icon and CMC. At least at the 8am update.


Euro at the ilk is at least a lot more consistent, even though 0z euro shifted into Florida some. NHC will usually prefer persistence. (Beryl not withstanding)

At some point the NHC may have to put up PTC advisories because it's going to be so slow to initially get developed, then I'd expect to see lots of mentions about low confidence. There's still probably not enough for an invest with the wave. This is just going to be a pita to forecast until it develops, and when it does it'll get really interesting. If you split the difference between the GFS/Euro you wind up with a ton of flooding rain somewhere in FL/GA/SC, kinda ironic because of all the dry air around it now.
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Re: Possible development in the central Atlantic (0/60)

#282 Postby toad strangler » Tue Jul 30, 2024 7:04 am

boca wrote:
GCANE wrote:Strong Omega Block forecast over mid Conus.
Looking more likely for a GOM TC


I don’t think the NHC agrees with the omega block looks like they are siding with the Euro,Icon and CMC. At least at the 8am update.


...and nudged that possible development region even more east.
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Re: Possible development in the central Atlantic (0/60)

#283 Postby Blown Away » Tue Jul 30, 2024 7:13 am

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8am NHC "X" position was @15N/52W. There is a swirl there but little convection.
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Re: Possible development in the central Atlantic (0/60)

#284 Postby REDHurricane » Tue Jul 30, 2024 7:18 am

EPS 00z
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GEFS 00z
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Canadian ensemble seems to be right down the middle between the two, so basically we're no closer to figuring out what's going to happen with this system than we were 4-5 days ago... gotta love the seasonal pattern switch shenanigans! Regardless, even if this doesn't develop into anything significant it will certainly set the stage for whatever comes over the next few weeks by helping to eat up all that dry air
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Re: Possible development in the central Atlantic (0/60)

#285 Postby LarryWx » Tue Jul 30, 2024 7:32 am

1. 6Z ICON 120!similar to 0Z’s 126.
2. 6Z EPS 144 mean a little W of 0Z 150 possibly implying a little higher risk to NC when projecting ahead
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Re: Possible development in the central Atlantic (0/60)

#286 Postby WaveBreaking » Tue Jul 30, 2024 7:38 am

Every OP model except the GFS is showing an OTS path this morning. GFS now has it stalling in the N GOM until suddenly veering W and striking Texas as a strong TS/H1.
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Re: Possible development in the central Atlantic (0/60)

#287 Postby wxman57 » Tue Jul 30, 2024 7:39 am

It seems apparent that earlier development favors a northward turn near Florida and/or the Bahamas. It catches the connection with the upper trof along the east coast if it develops Sat/Sun. Later development (GFS) may mean it will not see the weakness in the ridge and continue westward across the Gulf. We really won't be very confident in its track until it begins to show signs of organization - maybe Friday or Saturday.
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Re: Possible development in the central Atlantic (0/60)

#288 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jul 30, 2024 7:54 am

Dry big wave.

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Re: Possible development in the central Atlantic (0/60)

#289 Postby tropicwatch » Tue Jul 30, 2024 7:57 am

cycloneye wrote:Dry big wave.

https://i.imgur.com/Ygsf0Gm.gif

From the latest TWO it appears that is the one the NHC is focusing on.
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Re: Possible development in the central Atlantic (0/60)

#290 Postby GCANE » Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:04 am

boca wrote:
GCANE wrote:Strong Omega Block forecast over mid Conus.
Looking more likely for a GOM TC


I don’t think the NHC agrees with the omega block looks like they are siding with the Euro,Icon and CMC. At least at the 8am update.

2 runs in a row for GFS. Maybe they will change their minds later today.
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Re: Possible development in the central Atlantic (0/60)

#291 Postby SFLcane » Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:05 am

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Re: Possible development in the central Atlantic (0/60)

#292 Postby GCANE » Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:08 am

A huge dry wave and CONUS Omega Block has GOM written all over it.
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Re: Possible development in the central Atlantic (0/60)

#293 Postby JaxGator » Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:26 am

N2FSU wrote:Another look at the 0z UKMET and it’s significant west shift into the Gulf:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240730/0a1cfed9eb0ed47528288ec9c624e8c3.jpg


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*IF* that scenario would pan out, all or most of the Florida peninsula on the eastern side. Usually depending on the size and strength of the tropical cyclone, the peninsula won’t escape any effects, be it rain, wind or tornadoes. This potential Debby if it does get close to Florida, it will be on my birthday weekend. While it’ll be cool to track “potential” Debby, I rather not have the storm hit anybody (be it Gulf Coast or the East Coast) or ruin any birthday plans.

In the mean time, we still need a center of circulation for the models to latch on too (spin is definitely evident now). Upper air data from Recon would be most welcome. Hope y’all are doing well this week and in general. Praying this hurricane season won’t be bad as it already has been for folks in the Caribbean and Texas.
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Re: Possible development in the central Atlantic (0/60)

#294 Postby boca » Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:33 am

GCANE wrote:A huge dry wave and CONUS Omega Block has GOM written all over it.


I always enjoy reading your posts and why do you think the Euro and the other models other than the GFS insist on the turn.The weakness is that supposed to fill in or be weaker?
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Re: Possible development in the central Atlantic (0/60)

#295 Postby toad strangler » Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:52 am

No mention of the GFS outliers in Michael Lowry's update today.

MICHAEL LOWRY
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We continue to follow a large tropical wave moving toward the easternmost Caribbean islands with little fanfare. The disturbance – a ripple in the atmospheric winds about 10,000 feet up resembling an ocean wave – is mostly dry and absent any significant weather for now but is expected to fire off rounds of storminess beginning tomorrow, which could allow it to develop as it approaches the Bahamas and Florida on Friday into the weekend. The National Hurricane Center is indicating a tropical depression may form by late week as the system is nearing the Bahamas. While squally weather with gusty winds and occasional downpours may accompany the system’s passage through the northeastern Caribbean tomorrow and Thursday, a significant tropical threat isn’t expected in these areas.

Possible development near the Bahamas by Friday. It’s not until the system is nearing the Bahamas on Friday that development becomes a little more likely. Even so, forecast models continue to show modest southerly wind shear nearby from an upper-level high positioned east of the system. This should serve as a speed bump to quick development despite the very warm waters east of Florida. An area of high pressure aloft, situated just east of the developing system by late Friday, could impart modest wind shear across the system, slowing development. This is reflected in our computer models, which largely depict a strong tropical wave, tropical depression, or perhaps low-end tropical storm (Debby) into the weekend.

The positioning of the upper-level high is critical as to how much development happens by this weekend. A more westward-oriented high pressure situated near or over the developing system would allow for further organization, though it’s worth noting at this stage none of our guidance shows the threat of a strong system. By Friday a dip in the jet stream digging into the central U.S. will help to bend the system northward around the western periphery of the subtropical high-pressure steering. The question is not whether it bends but where it bends. The good news for Florida is a stronger, more organized system would feel the tug of the higher jet stream winds sooner and favor a turn farther east. A weaker system would probably head farther west, perhaps affecting the peninsula or even sliding into the eastern Gulf this weekend.

The bottom line this week we expect a tropical depression or low-end tropical storm could form by the end of the work week as it nears the Bahamas. A weaker system would tend to favor a more westward trajectory near or over Florida, while a stronger, more organized system would tend to bend northward farther east. A lot will depend on where the center of the large and still-disorganized disturbance ultimately forms, which we won’t know for at least another few days. Given the time of year and development timeline closer to land, interests from the Bahamas to the southeastern U.S. – including folks in Florida, southeast Georgia, and the Carolinas – should monitor the progress of this system this week.
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Re: Possible development in the central Atlantic (0/60)

#296 Postby MGC » Tue Jul 30, 2024 9:14 am

IMO the key to which model verifies will be determined on how quickly the wave develops sufficient moisture. Wave is bone dry and is embedded in a large area of SAL. Both areas are moving westward in tandem. At this point I am taking all model output with a grain of salt. Guess we are just going to have to wait and see how and when the wave moisten up. Dryer wave further west, moist wave recurves around Florida?.......MGC
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Re: Possible development in the central Atlantic (0/60)

#297 Postby GCANE » Tue Jul 30, 2024 9:33 am

boca wrote:
GCANE wrote:A huge dry wave and CONUS Omega Block has GOM written all over it.


I always enjoy reading your posts and why do you think the Euro and the other models other than the GFS insist on the turn.The weakness is that supposed to fill in or be weaker?


I always follow GFS for large synoptic forecasts such as the Jet Stream, aka Rossby Waves.
It is much more reliable then the other models IMHO
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Re: Possible development in the central Atlantic (0/60)

#298 Postby Michele B » Tue Jul 30, 2024 9:40 am

BobHarlem wrote:Very large/broad spin on Satellite now, this will take a while to get organized.

https://i.imgur.com/Qz9mpS9.gif

Model runs this morning are a real head scratcher though.



But what is happening up around 26N and 59W? Something forming up there??
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Re: Possible development in the central Atlantic (0/60)

#299 Postby Spacecoast » Tue Jul 30, 2024 9:41 am

EC-AI does a little loop. ....
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Re: Possible development in the central Atlantic (0/60)

#300 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:11 am

The squadron folks keep pushing back the first mission because the cyclogenesis also keeps going back in time. It was going to be today but yesterday they pushed it to wednesday, and now is for thursday.

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