
This setup is just as bad as 2020, which is saying something.
Moderator: S2k Moderators
Yellow Evan wrote:12z GFS and ECMWF no longer really develop this.
Yellow Evan wrote:[url]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/733552978572869632/853976747800395776/image1.gif[url]
This setup is just as bad as 2020, which is saying something.
Kingarabian wrote:Yellow Evan wrote:[url]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/733552978572869632/853976747800395776/image1.gif[url]
This setup is just as bad as 2020, which is saying something.
I'm not sure. I think we need to see complete June VP200 data first, and halfway through June, current analysis shows an abundant amount of -VP200 anomalies over the EPAC. It's a similar look to 2019 and 2020 over Africa and South America. But there's much more rising motion near the dateline compared to 2020 and 2019 from April through May. Even if we include March. That's the most important give away despite the sinking motion over the EPAC.
https://i.imgur.com/yFrBOoQ.gif
Even though there's sinking motion over the EPAC, pre season anomalous sinking motion over parts of EPAC can also be found in recent weak-moderate +ENSO events. (2006, 2009, 2014, 2018).
https://i.imgur.com/nOypjvv.png
Even though those years had much more rising motion over South America compared to 2021, so did La Nina years in 2008, 2010, and 2011.
https://i.imgur.com/mYVBA48.png
That being I said, so far I think the current VP200 configuration is a lot better than 2020 and 2019.
Kingarabian wrote:It sure is hard to find a concrete analog for the current VP200 configuration.
Maybe 1990 isn't a bad analog:
-VP200 (rising motion extending to 150E and sinking motion over the EPAC)
https://i.imgur.com/M5iYMzZ.png
SSTs:
https://i.imgur.com/YgpCEyp.png
Subsurface:
https://i.imgur.com/S5UeIff.png
Yellow Evan wrote:FWIW 1990 did also have early May activity to 2021 with a storm in a similar region compared to 2021 and the SST profiles do much. 1990 was a year that an El Nino tried to form after a prolonged La Nina, and its PDO was initially - but flipped to + later on I believe. I don't think it's unreasonable to believe this year could have similarities in terms of storm tracks, with a more east based concentration. I do think it's unreasonable to think 16 hurricanes will form, though none of the parameters you posted aside from perhaps -VP anomaly (I need to look further) really affect that.
Kingarabian wrote:Yellow Evan wrote:FWIW 1990 did also have early May activity to 2021 with a storm in a similar region compared to 2021 and the SST profiles do much. 1990 was a year that an El Nino tried to form after a prolonged La Nina, and its PDO was initially - but flipped to + later on I believe. I don't think it's unreasonable to believe this year could have similarities in terms of storm tracks, with a more east based concentration. I do think it's unreasonable to think 16 hurricanes will form, though none of the parameters you posted aside from perhaps -VP anomaly (I need to look further) really affect that.
Yeah I strongly doubt we'll see anything close to 1990's hurricane numbers. Super weird how 1990 got that many hurricanes in the first place when you consider where all the rising motion was situated during ASO:
https://i.imgur.com/YxHwGVJ.png
Such an odd year.
Yellow Evan wrote:Kingarabian wrote:Yellow Evan wrote:FWIW 1990 did also have early May activity to 2021 with a storm in a similar region compared to 2021 and the SST profiles do much. 1990 was a year that an El Nino tried to form after a prolonged La Nina, and its PDO was initially - but flipped to + later on I believe. I don't think it's unreasonable to believe this year could have similarities in terms of storm tracks, with a more east based concentration. I do think it's unreasonable to think 16 hurricanes will form, though none of the parameters you posted aside from perhaps -VP anomaly (I need to look further) really affect that.
Yeah I strongly doubt we'll see anything close to 1990's hurricane numbers. Super weird how 1990 got that many hurricanes in the first place when you consider where all the rising motion was situated during ASO:
https://i.imgur.com/YxHwGVJ.png
Such an odd year.
Most of the 1980's seasons featured an American standing wave and +VP over Africa. 1990 seems to also fits that bill even if it was displaced a bit to the east. And PDO itself was mostly positive though not crazy high and dipped by winter.1990 -0.30 -0.65 -0.62 0.27 0.44 0.44 0.27 0.11 0.38 -0.69 -1.69 -2.23
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 38 guests