2012 name retired=Sandy replaced with Sara (Issac stays)

[CrazyC83]

Probably tomorrow or Friday. Who else has cases? We know Sandy will be retired...

[cycloneye]

Sandy has been retired,replaced with Sara

Not surprised about Sandy but somewhat about Issac not being retired.

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories201 ... iredt.html

Sandy has been retired from the official list of Atlantic Basin tropical cyclone names by the World Meteorological Organization’s hurricane committee because of the extreme impacts it caused from Jamaica and Cuba to the Mid-Atlantic United States in October 2012.

Storm names are reused every six years for both the Atlantic and eastern North Pacific basins. If a storm is so deadly or costly that the future use of the name would be insensitive or confusing, the WMO hurricane committee, which includes personnel from NOAA’s National Hurricane Center, may retire the name. Sandy is the 77th name to be retired from the Atlantic list since 1954. The name will be replaced with “Sara” beginning in 2018.

Sandy was a classic late-season hurricane in the southwestern Caribbean Sea. The cyclone made landfall as a category 1 hurricane (on the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Wind Scale) in Jamaica, and as a 115 mph category 3 hurricane in eastern Cuba. Hurricane Sandy merged with a frontal system hours before making landfall as a post-tropical cyclone near Brigantine, N.J., and its size and strength caused catastrophic damage all along the mid-Atlantic shoreline.

Because of its tremendous size, Sandy drove a catastrophic storm surge into the New Jersey and New York coastlines. Preliminary U.S. damage estimates are near $50 billion, making Sandy the second-costliest cyclone since Katrina to hit the United States. There were at least 147 direct deaths recorded across the Atlantic basin due to Sandy, with 72 of these fatalities occurring in the mid-Atlantic and northeastern United States. Sandy caused the greatest number of U.S. direct fatalities related to a tropical cyclone outside of the southern states since Hurricane Agnes in 1972.

[CrazyC83]

I knew Isaac had a decent shot but was not a guarantee.

No surprise about Sandy (she was certain to be retired) and no other surprises from other countries.

[Hurricane Jed]

Pending WMO conference approval (likely to be unanimous), Sandy will be retired by the US - but NOT Isaac, unless another country requests it (who else has a case?)

http://www.wmo.int/pages/prog/www/tcp/d ... -35_en.doc

Proposed replacement names: Sara, Susan, Sheri

Oh good grief. Who on earth is tasked with coming up with the replacement names at RCMC? As has already been pointed out, Sheri is just an impossible suggestion because we already have Shary on the lists! It would seem to me to be the most basic criterion that you don't have two names on the lists that are just alternative spellings with the same pronunciation! (Yes, I know that in the UK and even in parts of New England Sheri and Shary wouldn't be pronounced quite the same, but they definitely would be said identically in most of the USA, including Miami.)

And as I've said before Sara is a bad idea because Tara is on the ENP list for the same year.

Whoever came up with those proposed replacements just isn't paying any attention to the task and is not taking the job seriously.

Please, please let them pick Susan as the replacement!

Too bad buddy. Sara was the name chosen. I like the choice, it has intensity.

[CrazyC83]

Let the confusion reign: if, in November 2018, Hurricane Sara is approaching the Caribbean while Hurricane Tara gets turned back into Mexico...had to think of reasonable scenarios for that late in the year.

The name would fit better on the 2020 list if Sally was retired...of course there has yet to be a storm named Sally though

[Hurricane Jed]

Sara or Sarah really isn't that bad of an idea. The name Tara hasn't been used since 1982 and this year was the first year List 4 for the Atlantic reached the T named storm. The chances of both lists reaching the T and S named storm respectively are extremely slim and them coexisting at the same time would be even rarer to occur.

I think 16 apiece is the most any list has had and one usually gets farther than the other. Just saying.

[CrazyC83]

Once the final report comes out, I wonder if the US alone retired Sandy or made a joint case with other countries? Even if she turned to sea, I think Cuba at least had a retirement case as well.

[Hurricane Jed]

If someone dies, Cuba will retire it. Look at Paloma, 1 indirect death in Cuba and they asked it be retired.

[HURAKAN]

I'm pleased with the substitution, short and easy to pronounce.

[HurricaneBill]

If someone dies, Cuba will retire it. Look at Paloma, 1 indirect death in Cuba and they asked it be retired.

Actually, Paloma ravaged parts of the Cayman Islands.

[Cleveland Kent Evans]

I don't know if Cuba asked for Paloma to be retired, but I am sure that the Cayman Islands did and I believe the replacement name, Paulette, was suggested by the Caymans, not Cuba. Cuba seems to suggest definitely "Hispanic" names as replacements, and Paulette is a well-known name in the Caymans.

As for Sandy's replacement --

Well, Sara is a LOT better choice than "Sheri" would have been.

I would have much preferred Susan because of the possible confusion with Tara. Yes, I realize that statistically speaking it is actually a somewhat remote possibility that there would be a Sara in the Atlantic the same year there's a Tara in the eastern Pacific. But since there are so many other reasonable replacements for Sandy starting with S (Susan, Samantha, Selena, Sophia, Sophie, Stella, Sylvia, Shelley, Sadie, Sabrina, Stacey, Sybil, Simone, etc.) I find it unfortunate they'd use the one with the potential for confusion. Even if the chances for such confusion are less than one percent, with any of the other names it would be 0%.

It doesn't bother me, but I also find it interesting they would go with "Sara" instead of "Sarah", since the latter is a much more common spelling in the USA. Of course it's not the only less common spelling they've had on the lists. Shary is a very unusual spelling, with most other spellings of that name (Sherry, Sherrie, Sheri, Shari, etc.) being a lot more common. Hannah, Brett, Erica, Rebecca, and Debbie are also more common than Hanna, Bret, Erika, Rebekah, and Debby, the spellings on the Atlantic tropical lists. (I assume that some of the other spellings that might look less common in the USA like Sebastien and Ana represent the most common spellings in French or Spanish and so choosing them is more understandable.)

[CrazyC83]

Correct, I believe the Caymans retired Paloma. If it only hit Cuba, I think it might have stayed on the list. $300 million or so is a HUGE number to small Caribbean islands, equivalent to $10 billion or more in the US.

[Hurricane Jed]

Correct, I believe the Caymans retired Paloma. If it only hit Cuba, I think it might have stayed on the list. $300 million or so is a HUGE number to small Caribbean islands, equivalent to $10 billion or more in the US.

I see. I must remember to let Brent know that since I think it was he who told me that.......

[Hurricane Jed]

So still stuck with Isaac and Florence. Gotta wait another 6 years before we get a chance to possibly retire the last of the original F and I names.

[Deputy Van Halen]

I can't help but wonder if they refrained from retiring Isaac (given that it's a borderline case) because they're scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to "I" names.

The whole naming system might jump the shark one day if they're forced to trot out a bunch of obscure 18th century names to fill the void. (E also might be a candidate to run out, but not as soon as I).

I wouldn't mind seeing it jump the shark, since I think the "start with A" protocol should be scrapped anyway. Why not start where the list left off six years ago? That way every letter can get used just as often.

[HurricaneRyan]

I think O and W will run out eventually as well, lol.

I like Sara as a replacement. I actually have a friend with that name, lol.