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Re: Strong Wave Over East Atlantic

#41 Postby jinftl » Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:05 pm

100% agree...

excerpts from NHC Report on Katrina in 2005:
The complex genesis of Katrina involved the interaction of a tropical wave, the middle tropospheric remnants of Tropical Depression Ten, and an upper tropospheric trough. This trough, located over the western Atlantic and the Bahamas, produced strong westerly shear across Tropical Depression Ten, causing it to degenerate on 14 August approximately 825 n mi east of Barbados. A tropical wave, which departed the west coast of Africa on 11 August, moved through the Leeward Islands and merged with the middle tropospheric remnants of Tropical Depression Ten on 19 August and produced a large area of showers and thunderstorms north of Puerto Rico. This activity continued to move slowly northwestward, passing north of Hispaniola and then consolidating just east of the Turks and Caicos during the afternoon of 22 August. The upper tropospheric trough weakened as it moved westward toward Florida, and the shear relaxed enough to allow the system to develop into a tropical depression by 1800 UTC 23 August over the southeastern Bahamas about 175 n mi southeast of Nassau.

excerpts from NHC Report on Rita in 2005:
Rita originated from a complex interaction between a tropical wave and the remnants of a cold front. The tropical wave moved off the west coast of Africa on 7 September. It failed to produce much deep convection as it traversed the tropical Atlantic during 8-12 September. Convection briefly consolidated along the axis of the tropical wave late on 13 September about 800 miles east of the Lesser Antilles, but it soon diminished again. Accompanied by very limited convection, the tropical wave moved westward across the Leeward Islands on 16 September and then merged with the surface trough north of Puerto Rico early on 17 September.A continued gradual increase in organization was aided by just enough relaxation of vertical shear, as a middle- to upper-tropospheric low that had been positioned over the western Atlantic shifted westward over Cuba and the northwestern Caribbean Sea. A tropical depression is estimated to have formed by 0000 UTC 18 September approximately 70 n mi east of Grand Turk in the Turks and Caicos.


ROCK wrote:I would be careful what we wish for...the SAL can work to shut down long trackers but the waves themselves could develope closer to home. That's what I am concerned with as we get into August more....
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Re: Tropical Wave in East Atlantic

#42 Postby cycloneye » Sat Aug 03, 2013 6:36 am

8 AM discussion.

TROPICAL WAVE EXTENDS FROM 11N29W TO 19N31W MOVING W AT 10-15
KT. THE WAVE REMAINS EMBEDDED WITHIN THE MONSOON TROUGH AXIS
WITH A 1011 MB LOW CENTERED ALONG THE WAVE AXIS NEAR 15N30W.
SURROUNDED BY A LARGE AREA OF SUSPENDED SAHARAN DUST...NO
CONVECTION IS OCCURRING IN THE VICINITY OF THE WAVE AT THIS
TIME.
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Re: Tropical Wave in East Atlantic

#43 Postby abajan » Sat Aug 03, 2013 7:17 am

cycloneye wrote:8 AM discussion.

TROPICAL WAVE EXTENDS FROM 11N29W TO 19N31W MOVING W AT 10-15
KT. THE WAVE REMAINS EMBEDDED WITHIN THE MONSOON TROUGH AXIS
WITH A 1011 MB LOW CENTERED ALONG THE WAVE AXIS NEAR 15N30W.
SURROUNDED BY A LARGE AREA OF SUSPENDED SAHARAN DUST...NO
CONVECTION IS OCCURRING IN THE VICINITY OF THE WAVE AT THIS
TIME.
Seems to be losing latitude. Didn't that LOW start out somewhere around 18N when the wave emerged from Africa?
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Re: Tropical Wave in East Atlantic

#44 Postby Gustywind » Sat Aug 03, 2013 8:45 am

abajan wrote:
cycloneye wrote:8 AM discussion.

TROPICAL WAVE EXTENDS FROM 11N29W TO 19N31W MOVING W AT 10-15
KT. THE WAVE REMAINS EMBEDDED WITHIN THE MONSOON TROUGH AXIS
WITH A 1011 MB LOW CENTERED ALONG THE WAVE AXIS NEAR 15N30W.
SURROUNDED BY A LARGE AREA OF SUSPENDED SAHARAN DUST...NO
CONVECTION IS OCCURRING IN THE VICINITY OF THE WAVE AT THIS
TIME.
Seems to be losing latitude. Didn't that LOW start out somewhere around 18N when the wave emerged from Africa?

You're right Abajan? it has lost a lot of latitude. The low even start at 19N. Here is one of the first weather forecast of the NHC mentionning it appearence. viewtopic.php?f=31&t=115343&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=20


A TROPICAL WAVE CAME OFF THE WEST AFRICAN COAST EARLY TODAY
ASSOCIATED WITH A 1011 MB LOW NEAR 19N21W. THE WAVE AXIS EXTENDS
FROM 23N21W TO 10N20W. THE WAVE IS EMBEDDED WITHIN THE MONSOON
TROUGH AXIS AND IS ALSO BEING ENGULFED BY VERY DRY AIR AND DUST
FROM THE SAHARAN AIR LAYER N OF 14N. SCATTERED MODERATE
CONVECTION AND ISOLATED TSTMS ARE FROM 07N-14N BETWEEN 15W-25W.
THE WAVE AND ASSOCIATED LOW ARE EXPECTED TO MOVE W-SW IN THE
NEXT 24 HOURS.
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#45 Postby Gustywind » Sat Aug 03, 2013 9:21 am

Off topic that was a nice thing if the NHC make a recap of all the TWD. :D We could appreciate the early stage of developpement of each potential twave.

Anyone knows if NHC have this option in store? :)
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Re: Tropical Wave in East Atlantic

#46 Postby cycloneye » Sat Aug 03, 2013 10:38 am

The low pressure is gone from the 12z surface analysis. Only a wave axis remains.

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#47 Postby gatorcane » Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:40 pm

This wave and probably the next several that roll of Africa, probably won't develop looking at the global models, but should act to moisten the area between the Lesser Antilles and Africa (also referred to as the MDR or Mean Development Region) so that by mid August, the MDR should be more conducive for tropical cyclone formation.
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Re: Tropical Wave in Central Atlantic

#48 Postby cycloneye » Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:24 pm

This was an interesting 2 PM discussion.

A BROAD TROPICAL WAVE EXTENDS FROM 10N38W TO 21N40W MOVING W AT
ABOUT 20 KT. THE WAVE IS PART OF A LARGER AREA OF OVERALL BROAD
TROUGHING IN THE CENTRAL ATLANTIC AND IS COUPLED WITH MID-
LATITUDE MID-LEVEL TROUGHING NOTED TO THE NW OF THE WAVE IN THE
VICINITY OF 21N47W. WHILE NEITHER FEATURE EXHIBITS A STRONG
SIGNAL ON SATELLITE IMAGERY AND IN GLOBAL MODEL DATA...ENERGY
ASSOCIATED WITH EACH ARE FORECAST TO MERGE WITHIN THE NEXT 12 TO
24 HOURS ACROSS THE CENTRAL ATLC AND CONTINUE A FAIRLY RAPID
WESTWARD MOVEMENT TOWARD THE LESSER ANTILLES REACHING 60W BY
TUE. THE WAVE IS SURROUNDED BY A MASSIVE AREA OF SUSPENDED
SAHARAN DUST AT THIS TIME WITH NO DEEP CONVECTION OCCURRING IN
THE VICINITY OF THE WAVE. GOES-R PROVING GROUND SAL AND AIRMASS
IMAGERY SUGGESTED THIS DUST OUTBREAK WAS FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT.
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Re: Tropical Wave in Central Atlantic

#49 Postby HurricaneDREW92 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:48 pm

Can you explain what that means to this dummy, cycloneye?
cycloneye wrote:This was an interesting 2 PM discussion.

A BROAD TROPICAL WAVE EXTENDS FROM 10N38W TO 21N40W MOVING W AT
ABOUT 20 KT. THE WAVE IS PART OF A LARGER AREA OF OVERALL BROAD
TROUGHING IN THE CENTRAL ATLANTIC AND IS COUPLED WITH MID-
LATITUDE MID-LEVEL TROUGHING NOTED TO THE NW OF THE WAVE IN THE
VICINITY OF 21N47W. WHILE NEITHER FEATURE EXHIBITS A STRONG
SIGNAL ON SATELLITE IMAGERY AND IN GLOBAL MODEL DATA...ENERGY
ASSOCIATED WITH EACH ARE FORECAST TO MERGE WITHIN THE NEXT 12 TO
24 HOURS ACROSS THE CENTRAL ATLC AND CONTINUE A FAIRLY RAPID
WESTWARD MOVEMENT TOWARD THE LESSER ANTILLES REACHING 60W BY
TUE. THE WAVE IS SURROUNDED BY A MASSIVE AREA OF SUSPENDED
SAHARAN DUST AT THIS TIME WITH NO DEEP CONVECTION OCCURRING IN
THE VICINITY OF THE WAVE. GOES-R PROVING GROUND SAL AND AIRMASS
IMAGERY SUGGESTED THIS DUST OUTBREAK WAS FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT.
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Re: Tropical Wave in Central Atlantic

#50 Postby cycloneye » Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:50 pm

In simple words,no development at this time.
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Re: Tropical Wave in Central Atlantic

#51 Postby HurricaneDREW92 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 5:01 pm

cycloneye wrote:In simple words,no development at this time.

What about 60+ West?
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Re: Tropical Wave in Central Atlantic

#52 Postby cycloneye » Sun Aug 04, 2013 5:03 pm

HurricaneDREW92 wrote:
cycloneye wrote:In simple words,no development at this time.

What about 60+ West?


What about Western Caribbean for a start?
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Re: Tropical Wave in Central Atlantic

#53 Postby HurricaneDREW92 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 5:05 pm

cycloneye wrote:
HurricaneDREW92 wrote:
cycloneye wrote:In simple words,no development at this time.

What about 60+ West?


What about Western Caribbean for a start?

This wave or others?
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Re: Tropical Wave in Central Atlantic

#54 Postby HurricaneDREW92 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 5:42 pm

cycloneye wrote:
HurricaneDREW92 wrote:
cycloneye wrote:In simple words,no development at this time.

What about 60+ West?


What about Western Caribbean for a start?

So you think this will develop there?
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Re: Tropical Wave in Central Atlantic

#55 Postby HurricaneDREW92 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:57 pm

Feature at 37W looking good. :cheesy:
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Re: Tropical Wave in Central Atlantic

#56 Postby cycloneye » Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:59 pm

8 PM discussion.

AN ATLANTIC OCEAN TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 42W/43W TO THE SOUTH OF
23N. THE WAVE IS MOVING WESTWARD ABOUT 20 KNOTS. THE WAVE STANDS
OUT IN LONG-TERM SATELLITE IMAGERY. A MIDDLE LEVEL TO UPPER
LEVEL TROUGH CURVES ALONG 18N58W 21N52W 19N44W. CYCLONIC WIND
FLOW COVERS THE AREA FROM 14N TO 28N BETWEEN 36W AND 59W.
RAINSHOWERS ARE POSSIBLE FROM 18N TO 31N BETWEEN 38W AND 53W.
THE WAVE IS FORECAST TO REACH THE EASTERN CARIBBEAN SEA AREA BY
TUESDAY AFTERNOON.
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Re: Tropical Wave in Central Atlantic

#57 Postby HurricaneDREW92 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:03 pm

cycloneye wrote:8 PM discussion.

AN ATLANTIC OCEAN TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 42W/43W TO THE SOUTH OF
23N. THE WAVE IS MOVING WESTWARD ABOUT 20 KNOTS. THE WAVE STANDS
OUT IN LONG-TERM SATELLITE IMAGERY. A MIDDLE LEVEL TO UPPER
LEVEL TROUGH CURVES ALONG 18N58W 21N52W 19N44W. CYCLONIC WIND
FLOW COVERS THE AREA FROM 14N TO 28N BETWEEN 36W AND 59W.
RAINSHOWERS ARE POSSIBLE FROM 18N TO 31N BETWEEN 38W AND 53W.
THE WAVE IS FORECAST TO REACH THE EASTERN CARIBBEAN SEA AREA BY
TUESDAY AFTERNOON.


Hmm....interesting. Thoughts about what it might do in the W Carribean, anyone?
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#58 Postby gatorcane » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:16 pm

HurricaneDREW92 wrote:Hmm....interesting. Thoughts about what it might do in the W Carribean, anyone?

Levi Cowan's latest video talks a little about this wave. He mentions that once it get into the Western Caribbean, it may develop and gives some reasons as to why. Video link provided a little while ago by Cycloneye in this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=115308
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#59 Postby HurricaneDREW92 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:30 pm

gatorcane wrote:
HurricaneDREW92 wrote:Hmm....interesting. Thoughts about what it might do in the W Carribean, anyone?

Levi Cowan's latest video talks a little about this wave. He mentions that once it get into the Western Caribbean, it may develop and gives some reasons as to why. Video link provided a little while ago by Cycloneye in this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=115308

THANK YOU.
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Re: Tropical Wave in Central Atlantic

#60 Postby ROCK » Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:50 pm

I have been watching this area....looks like MLC is trying to get going and seperate from the ITCZ....current steering would pull this feature NW before it bumps up against the ridge and heads west into the Carib...before dark it had what looked like a weak rotation...
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