Are these Hurricanes related to Earthquake?

[Pebbles]

http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vwdocs/fre ... ects1.html
Required reading LOL... boy this topic now that I'm looking into it is really interesting. El nino, volcano's, earthquakes... maybe more interconnected then we thought?

Sorry I am posting so much in this thread.. just sharing info as I'm finding it. Trying my best to stick with scientific sources/research.

Edit: whoops put the wrong link it...

[GalvestonDuck]

http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vwdocs/frequent_questions/top_101/Effects/Effects1.html
Required reading LOL... boy this topic now that I'm looking into it is really interesting. El nino, volcano's, earthquakes... maybe more interconnected then we thought?

Sorry I am posting so much in this thread.. just sharing info as I'm finding it. Trying my best to stick with scientific sources/research.

Edit: whoops put the wrong link it...

*pats Pebbles on her little bone-wrapped ponytail poof*
We don't mind...it's all in the same thread.

[Windspeed]

http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vwdocs/frequent_questions/top_101/Effects/Effects1.html
Required reading LOL... boy this topic now that I'm looking into it is really interesting. El nino, volcano's, earthquakes... maybe more interconnected then we thought?

Sorry I am posting so much in this thread.. just sharing info as I'm finding it. Trying my best to stick with scientific sources/research.

Edit: whoops put the wrong link it...

Pebbles...

Yes, volcanoes do have a huge effect on climate. But earthquakes do not have a direct effect. I will go so far as to say the real issue isn't even the tremors or the volcanoes themselves, but its the MAGMA from interior of the Earth. The gases and particulate matter from magma when it erupts into the atmosphere has an ENORMOUS impact on climate and weather.

But this post wasn't about the effects of volcanoes on on hurriacnes, it was about the effects (really, the non-effects if you ask me) of earthquakes on hurricanes.

[Pebbles]

Yes, volcanoes do have a huge effect on climate. But Earthquakes do not have a direct effect. I will go so far as to say the real issue isn't even the tremors or the volcanoes, but its the MAGMA and the interior of the Earth. The gases and particulate matter from magma when it erupts into the atmosphere has an ENORMOUS impact on climate and weather.

But this post wasn't about the effects of volcanoes on on hurriacnes, it was about the effect (really, the non-effects) of earthquakes on hurricanes.

But do you disagree earthquakes sometimes earthquakes effect volcano's?

[banshee]

OK, I've read all the posts and answers and still have a question. Energy created by the tsunami moves through the water but doesnt actually move the water.... ??? I'm not totally wrapping my brain around that one. Here's my thinking.... If I'm in a pool/lake/ocean and I'm energy moving through water I'm moving the water at the same time to get through the water. If I dont move it I cant get through it, so, how can the tsunami not have affected the ocean temps/currents, etc.[/img]

[Windspeed]

Yes, volcanoes do have a huge effect on climate. But Earthquakes do not have a direct effect. I will go so far as to say the real issue isn't even the tremors or the volcanoes, but its the MAGMA and the interior of the Earth. The gases and particulate matter from magma when it erupts into the atmosphere has an ENORMOUS impact on climate and weather.

But this post wasn't about the effects of volcanoes on on hurriacnes, it was about the effect (really, the non-effects) of earthquakes on hurricanes.

But do you disagree earthquakes sometimes earthquakes effect volcano's?

No, I will agree that large earthquakes can have an effect on the active volcanoes in a particular region. Indonesia has been an example of this over the past 8 months with some evidence of increased volcanic acitivity since the Great Indonesian Quake.

However, if you're going to try and get me to say that since earthquakes may have a direct or indirect effect on some volcanoes in a localized region, and that in turn can induce eruptions, which can in turn affect climate, your only going to get the following response out of me:

The only volcanoes in Indonesia that have been active since the Great Quake have notl experienced any major eruptions this year. Only major eruptions (VEI Magnitude 5 or above) would be large enough to have had a direct impact on the meteoroligical phenomenon we are observing this year (i.e. all this hurricane activity). And in reality, a catastrophic eruption would initially cool the global temps and decrease hurricane activity for a short period.

So again, even you could jump through hoops and make indirect connections between earthquake activity and weather phenomenon through volcanoes, your still going to run out of pavement for what has been occuring in the Atlantic the past two years. And that indirect effect is still a pretty long stretch, scientifically speaking.

[Windspeed]

OK, I've read all the posts and answers and still have a question. Energy created by the tsunami moves through the water but doesnt actually move the water.... ??? I'm not totally wrapping my brain around that one. Here's my thinking.... If I'm in a pool/lake/ocean and I'm energy moving through water I'm moving the water at the same time to get through the water. If I dont move it I cant get through it, so, how can the tsunami not have affected the ocean temps/currents, etc.

We are talking about SEISMIC ENERGY WAVES here, not THERMAL HEAT or THERMAL COOLING. Yes, all energy is made up of waves. But lets make sure we're discussing the right type of wave for the right type of topic here. This thread is about earthquakes, not electromagnetic radiation or sunlight, etc.

[JamesFromMaine2]

OK, I've read all the posts and answers and still have a question. Energy created by the tsunami moves through the water but doesnt actually move the water.... ??? I'm not totally wrapping my brain around that one. Here's my thinking.... If I'm in a pool/lake/ocean and I'm energy moving through water I'm moving the water at the same time to get through the water. If I dont move it I cant get through it, so, how can the tsunami not have affected the ocean temps/currents, etc.

We are talking about SEISMIC ENERGY WAVES here, not THERMAL HEAT or THERMAL COOLING. Yes, all energy is made up of waves. But lets make sure we're discussing the right type of wave for the right type of topic here. This thread is about earthquakes, not electromagnetic radiation or sunlight, etc.

If you take enough warm water from one area and move it to another area then it will heat that water up in that area so my feeling is that the tsunami did increase some water and could have decreased water temps in other areas!

[Windspeed]

OK, I've read all the posts and answers and still have a question. Energy created by the tsunami moves through the water but doesnt actually move the water.... ??? I'm not totally wrapping my brain around that one. Here's my thinking.... If I'm in a pool/lake/ocean and I'm energy moving through water I'm moving the water at the same time to get through the water. If I dont move it I cant get through it, so, how can the tsunami not have affected the ocean temps/currents, etc.

We are talking about SEISMIC ENERGY WAVES here, not THERMAL HEAT or THERMAL COOLING. Yes, all energy is made up of waves. But lets make sure we're discussing the right type of wave for the right type of topic here. This thread is about earthquakes, not electromagnetic radiation or sunlight, etc.

If you take enough warm water from one area and move it to another area then it will heat that water up in that area so my feeling is that the tsunami did increase some water and could have decreased water temps in other areas!

No no no... the Tsunami did not move any significant amount of water from any point of any ocean basin to another location.

A Tsunami is a WAVE moving through a medium. This medium just HAPPENS to be WATER. If you plotted the movement of a single water molecule as a wave was passing through its locality, that molecule would move in a complete circle as the wave passed through, eventually coming back to its original position before the wave got there.

This is no different than an energy wave moving through a rock. When an earthquake hits San Francisco, does it physically move San Francisco thousands of miles away as those energy waves are traveling? No, structures only move up and down or side-to-side as the seismic wave is passing through it.

It's the same thing for water. When energy waves are moving through water from a point of displacement, you aren't actually carring a body of water along with the wave. The wave is ONLY MOVING THROUGH the water; therefore, if the water isn't actually being carried along with the wave, then how could warm or cool water be moved to another location due to a tsunami? It simply can not.

If you still cannot understand this, I suggest getting a physics manual. I cannot make this any more simple.

[JamesFromMaine2]

OK, I've read all the posts and answers and still have a question. Energy created by the tsunami moves through the water but doesnt actually move the water.... ??? I'm not totally wrapping my brain around that one. Here's my thinking.... If I'm in a pool/lake/ocean and I'm energy moving through water I'm moving the water at the same time to get through the water. If I dont move it I cant get through it, so, how can the tsunami not have affected the ocean temps/currents, etc.

We are talking about SEISMIC ENERGY WAVES here, not THERMAL HEAT or THERMAL COOLING. Yes, all energy is made up of waves. But lets make sure we're discussing the right type of wave for the right type of topic here. This thread is about earthquakes, not electromagnetic radiation or sunlight, etc.

If you take enough warm water from one area and move it to another area then it will heat that water up in that area so my feeling is that the tsunami did increase some water and could have decreased water temps in other areas!

No no no... the Tsunami did not move any significant amount of water from any point of any ocean basin to another location.

A Tsunami is a WAVE moving through a medium. This medium just HAPPENS to be WATER. If you plotted the movement of a single water molecule as a wave was passing through its locality, that molecule would move in a complete circle as the wave passed through, eventually coming back to its original position before the wave got there.

This is no different than an energy wave moving through a rock. When an earthquake hits San Francisco, does it physically move San Francisco thousands of miles away as those energy waves are traveling? No, structures only move up and down or side-to-side as the seismic wave is passing through it.

It's the same thing for water. When energy waves are moving through water from a point of displacement, you aren't actually carring a body of water along with the wave. The wave is MOVING THROUGH the water through. So if you aren't actually CARRYING A BODY OF WATER along with the wave, then how could warm or cool water be moved to another location? It can not.

If you still cannot understand this, I suggest getting a physics manual. I cannot make this any more simple.

ok first of all Hurricanes cause Waves I think if you were to ask any person whos house is under water if the waves caused by that hurricane moved the water they would say yes it did move the water. and as far as your earthquakes don't move rocks smaller rocks will move around rock slides happen during earthquakes which moves rock and as for stationary things they don't move they may fall or break but they don't move cause they are stationary. Water last I knew wasn't stationary water moves on its own or when something forces it to move. If what you are saying is true and water iisn't moved then there would have been no flooding when the tsunami hit the islands the waves would have just passed into the island and everything would have been fine. However that wasn't the case. Some islands were almost totally underwater there for it had to have moved the water! and there for it could have moved water from one place to another!

[Windspeed]

OK, I've read all the posts and answers and still have a question. Energy created by the tsunami moves through the water but doesnt actually move the water.... ??? I'm not totally wrapping my brain around that one. Here's my thinking.... If I'm in a pool/lake/ocean and I'm energy moving through water I'm moving the water at the same time to get through the water. If I dont move it I cant get through it, so, how can the tsunami not have affected the ocean temps/currents, etc.

We are talking about SEISMIC ENERGY WAVES here, not THERMAL HEAT or THERMAL COOLING. Yes, all energy is made up of waves. But lets make sure we're discussing the right type of wave for the right type of topic here. This thread is about earthquakes, not electromagnetic radiation or sunlight, etc.

If you take enough warm water from one area and move it to another area then it will heat that water up in that area so my feeling is that the tsunami did increase some water and could have decreased water temps in other areas!

No no no... the Tsunami did not move any significant amount of water from any point of any ocean basin to another location.

A Tsunami is a WAVE moving through a medium. This medium just HAPPENS to be WATER. If you plotted the movement of a single water molecule as a wave was passing through its locality, that molecule would move in a complete circle as the wave passed through, eventually coming back to its original position before the wave got there.

This is no different than an energy wave moving through a rock. When an earthquake hits San Francisco, does it physically move San Francisco thousands of miles away as those energy waves are traveling? No, structures only move up and down or side-to-side as the seismic wave is passing through it.

It's the same thing for water. When energy waves are moving through water from a point of displacement, you aren't actually carring a body of water along with the wave. The wave is MOVING THROUGH the water through. So if you aren't actually CARRYING A BODY OF WATER along with the wave, then how could warm or cool water be moved to another location? It can not.

If you still cannot understand this, I suggest getting a physics manual. I cannot make this any more simple.

ok first of all Hurricanes cause Waves I think if you were to ask any person whos house is under water if the waves caused by that hurricane moved the water they would say yes it did move the water. and as far as your earthquakes don't move rocks smaller rocks will move around rock slides happen during earthquakes which moves rock and as for stationary things they don't move they may fall or break but they don't move cause they are stationary. Water last I knew wasn't stationary water moves on its own or when something forces it to move. If what you are saying is true and water iisn't moved then there would have been no flooding when the tsunami hit the islands the waves would have just passed into the island and everything would have been fine. However that wasn't the case. Some islands were almost totally underwater there for it had to have moved the water! and there for it could have moved water from one place to another!

I suggest you go back and read my original post. When a wave is approaching land, the depth of water decreases; and therefore, the trough of the wave gets dragged on the seafloor. If you slow down the advancement of the wave's trough towards the shoreline, the crest continues on at relatively the same speed. This is also what will cause the wave to build in height and why all the water on the immediate shoreline will be sucked away as the tsunami is approaching. As the tsunami gets closer, the trough can no longer support the crest and the crest breaks over the trough picking up force and forcing water inland. BUT THIS IS BECAUSE THE WAVE IS BREAKING AND SURGING WATER FORWARD. This water didn't come from way out in the middle of the ocean.

Hurricanes are quite a much different thing with respect to tsunamis. Though the same thing applies for waves produced by wind, tidal surge, or earthquakes. But weather-induced waves do have the force of the wind pushing them. Wind can move bodies of water. In fact, much of our ocean currents are either driven by wind patterns around semi-permanent subtropical high pressure cells or the cycles of ocean salinity.

But with respect to shoreline waves during a hurricane, after these waves come inland during a hurricane, the winds can keep the water from retreating back out into the ocean. This "pile-up" effect makes storm surge in a hurricane worse.

Are you catching on? I just want you folks to understand that the only water that is moved a significant amount of distance during a tsunami is right at the immediate shoreline due to the breaking of the wave forcing water inland.

[joseph01]

Is this turning into a battle of the "Google Search"?

[Windspeed]

Is this turning into a battle of the "Google Search"?

Heh, if it is then it is me versus some really horrible sources from google search.


Hahaha man that sounded ridiculously conceded. Sorry. Okay, enough for me. I'm going to go and see "The Island" with Scarlet Johanson. Hubba hubba.... toodles!

[Pebbles]

Ok... this is a hypothyosis in progress so as I am learning different aspects some of my thought patterns may change a bit here.. bear with me LOL.

Keep in mind I am not saying I think the earthquake made the current hurricane season. But I am not ruling it out 100 percent that it may have had some EFFECT on it. It's just a topic for some thought. And an interesting debate as well!

Here is what I think the earthquake has done which could effect the weather to some degree minor or major....

1. The tsunami moved the ocean... thought pattern off there.. how about the tsunami caused a very large amount water on land along the Indian ocean and along the African coast (more along the Indian ocean.)

A. May of caused a large amount of sea water evaporation which effected the weather.
B. May have caused some changes to the ocean floor near the sea shore along the Indian ocean/African coast from waves causing very minor disturbances to ocean flow pattern.

2. The earthquake

A. Made minor changes to the shape/rotation of the earth, and may of minorly effected weather.
B. Lifted up the ocean floor (causing the tsunami) and may of minorly impacting the ocean flow pattern.
C. May of effected volcano's, which in turn may effect ocean temperatures, which minorly impacts sst's and weather.

Ok.. so none of these thing had any major impact.. in fact all are relatively very very minor. I agree there. BUT... what if some or all came together just right. Chaos theory/butterfly effect just doesn't let me rule it out. Keep in mind with Chaos theory the starting mechanism isn't very large at all... but over time it's like an avalanche gaining momentum and strength over time, so thus a small event/s may grow to have significant impacts.

P.S. No more google.. i don't like googling LOL

[joseph01]

Is this turning into a battle of the "Google Search"?

Heh, if it is then it is me versus some really horrible sources from google search.


Hahaha man that sounded ridiculously conceded.

I think the word is "conceited" if that's what you meant, and if that's correct, I have a hard time connecting it to what I said. I'm sure you'll explain it later.

[banshee]

Me thinks me got it. I didnt think the eq 'caused' the current hurricane activity, but could have possibly had some effect, just as pebbles. All things are connected.

With the above explaination I'm thinking the energy moving through water would be the same as a hot knife going through butter...... it goes through it but doesnt move it.

[Windspeed]

Is this turning into a battle of the "Google Search"?

Heh, if it is then it is me versus some really horrible sources from google search.


Hahaha man that sounded ridiculously conceded.

I think the word is "conceited" if that's what you meant, and if that's correct, I have a hard time connecting it to what I said. I'm sure you'll explain it later.

Sorry, I was targeting the word "conceded" towards myself. And yes, that was an incorrect spelling on my part. But now I come to think about it, maybe I should have asked you your problem? Your question was somewhat inappropriate. There is nothing wrong with googling if that is in fact what some of these folks were doing. Googling or using any search engine can be effective if you know what the hell you are doing. But that is besides the point: What I originally meant was that I did not obtain a single word of this information I have posted in this thread from a search engine, since you brought it up. And that I was _conceited_ for even bothering to mention that fact with my little eyeroll emoticon. But I took the damn time to help explain something I happen to know a great deal about. And though, earlier, I was in a hurry to leave, after reading this thread again, it is pretty obvious to me now that your question was intended to be more of a snotty patronizing remark than anything. Nice contribution.......

[Downdraft]

Frankly I'm suprised this thread didn't get locked a lot earlier. Interesting theory that a great earthquake could affect the earth's rotation and have a corresponding effect on tropical cyclones. To me though it would seem if such an effect existed it would have some bearing on all the basins not just the Atlantic. Food for thought though.

[Wthrman13]

OK, I've read all the posts and answers and still have a question. Energy created by the tsunami moves through the water but doesnt actually move the water.... ??? I'm not totally wrapping my brain around that one. Here's my thinking.... If I'm in a pool/lake/ocean and I'm energy moving through water I'm moving the water at the same time to get through the water. If I dont move it I cant get through it, so, how can the tsunami not have affected the ocean temps/currents, etc.

We are talking about SEISMIC ENERGY WAVES here, not THERMAL HEAT or THERMAL COOLING. Yes, all energy is made up of waves. But lets make sure we're discussing the right type of wave for the right type of topic here. This thread is about earthquakes, not electromagnetic radiation or sunlight, etc.

If you take enough warm water from one area and move it to another area then it will heat that water up in that area so my feeling is that the tsunami did increase some water and could have decreased water temps in other areas!

No no no... the Tsunami did not move any significant amount of water from any point of any ocean basin to another location.

A Tsunami is a WAVE moving through a medium. This medium just HAPPENS to be WATER. If you plotted the movement of a single water molecule as a wave was passing through its locality, that molecule would move in a complete circle as the wave passed through, eventually coming back to its original position before the wave got there.

This is no different than an energy wave moving through a rock. When an earthquake hits San Francisco, does it physically move San Francisco thousands of miles away as those energy waves are traveling? No, structures only move up and down or side-to-side as the seismic wave is passing through it.

It's the same thing for water. When energy waves are moving through water from a point of displacement, you aren't actually carring a body of water along with the wave. The wave is ONLY MOVING THROUGH the water; therefore, if the water isn't actually being carried along with the wave, then how could warm or cool water be moved to another location due to a tsunami? It simply can not.

If you still cannot understand this, I suggest getting a physics manual. I cannot make this any more simple.

Absolutely correct, and this cannot be stressed enough. Understandably, this is difficult for many people to grasp at first, because it is somewhat counterintuitive. Once you understand how waves work, however, it all falls into place.

[Wthrman13]

Me thinks me got it. I didnt think the eq 'caused' the current hurricane activity, but could have possibly had some effect, just as pebbles. All things are connected.

With the above explaination I'm thinking the energy moving through water would be the same as a hot knife going through butter...... it goes through it but doesnt move it.

Actually a better way of thinking about it would be to regard the wave as simply an oscillation (which is what a wave is). It's the oscillation that moves, not the water. Think about stretching a slinky out between two people. In fact, if you have a slinky I suggest you try this yourself. It really helps to understand the phenomena of wave motion in a medium. Have one person wiggle one end of the slinky up and down quickly. You should see a ripple (a wave) start at that end of the slinky and move toward the other side. Obviously, the material of the slinky itself did not move from your hand to the the other person's hand, but only the pattern of the ripple. It's exactly the same thing with water waves or any other type of wave in a medium. It's the oscillation pattern that propagates, not the medium. Does this make sense?

Seriously, sometimes the only way to understand these things is to try out the experiment for yourself. If you can't find a slinky, use a rope or something else along those lines. Heck, fill a bathtup up with water, place a cork or something else that floats in the middle, wait for the water to settle down a bit. Then, splash one end of the bathtub to create a wave. Observe what the cork does as the wave passes. You'll note that the cork may drift around a bit, but it remains more or less in the same spot. It certainly doesn't get caught up with the wave and move to the other end of the tub.