Video from Gulfport...Ground Zero...No words

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#41 Postby djtil » Mon Aug 29, 2005 11:43 pm

cat 3 at 130mph, direct hit with wall would be expected to do that damage.
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#42 Postby CajunMama » Mon Aug 29, 2005 11:45 pm

Words cannot describe what I feel for these people...if they survived to pick of the pieces of their lives, they are my heroes. God bless them all.

Edit: Please discuss the winds in another thread...let's give the people of Gulfport some respect.
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#43 Postby NorthGaWeather » Mon Aug 29, 2005 11:45 pm

djtil wrote:based on the broadening wind field due to the ewrc it seems reasonable...not to mention that we have multiple recon passes leading up to landfall....none showing more than 150 flight level for around 12 hours.

and the main point is that 170mph isnt needed to do the damage seen in that video. look at all the trees standing.....probably none left if it were 170mph.

Maybe this was brought up I dunno, but didn't SFMR show 130 kt or more sfc winds?
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#44 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Mon Aug 29, 2005 11:47 pm

It made its first landfall as 145 mph cat4...Second landfall as 135 cat4.

Maybe 150 the first time as the eye was tighting. Also the western side was already starting to look pretty good at the time of landfall. So given 6 more hours who knows.
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#45 Postby MBismyPlayground » Mon Aug 29, 2005 11:48 pm

After viewing this video, why in the heck are you all arguing????!!!!!!!!!!
About winds no less!!!! Is this really the time to argue moot points?
I don't mean to sound crabby, but I seriously don't think this is the time or place for it, at this stage. Give some of these people time to digest all of this, please.
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#46 Postby Hyperstorm » Mon Aug 29, 2005 11:50 pm

djtil wrote:cat 3 at 130mph, direct hit with wall would be expected to do that damage.


It was 125 mph 50 miles SW of Mississippi.

If, when I wake up tomorrow morning, I see more of this type of damage widespread throughout southern Mississippi, then I will begin to suspect even more so of these NUMEROUS +140kts SFMR values reported by Air Force Recon.

Earlier, I was one who didn't believe these high readings, but now these pictures make me wonder, unless it was caused by a TORNADO spawned by the storm.

EDIT: I feel for the people who are suffering this evening...
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#47 Postby CajunMama » Mon Aug 29, 2005 11:52 pm

Please discuss the winds in another thread...let's give the people of Gulfport some respect.
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#48 Postby Stratosphere747 » Mon Aug 29, 2005 11:53 pm

CajunMama wrote:Words cannot describe what I feel for these people...if they survived to pick of the pieces of their lives, they are my heroes. God bless them all.

Edit: Please discuss the winds in another thread...let's give the people of Gulfport some respect.


CajunMama...

The discussion about the winds and surge is nothing close to being disrespectful to our neighbors in Gulfport. It is about the destruction that is shown and IMO and has a place in this thread.
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#49 Postby Florida_brit » Mon Aug 29, 2005 11:53 pm

Is any education videos made to warn against hurricanes! The link is amaizing! Completely shock! Am afraid day light in USA will show much more to come!
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#50 Postby NorthGaWeather » Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:18 am

Looked like a few trees were de-barked.
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#51 Postby King-6 » Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:24 am

:cry: What a terrible day,Prayers to ones effected... :cry:
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#52 Postby lbms » Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:50 am

iam form longbeach ms this is the end of 49 where it meets 90 iam in fort walton in a hotel but hear that the damage in longbeach is terrible kmart gone walmart in the pass .gone down to foundation everything along us 90 is mostly gone all the way to waveland
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#53 Postby vbhoutex » Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:57 am

I could be mistaken but a lot of what I saw in that video was surge related damage. It is all on the first floor with most of the rest of the buildings above it intact to some extent or at least not obviously destroyed by wind. Eerily similar to what I saw after Camille. Pictures I have seen on CNN tonight that were taken closer to the beaches made me think I was seeing the aftermath of Camille all over again. I'm not even sure I want to know how really bad it may be.
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#54 Postby vbhoutex » Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:02 am

lbms wrote:iam form longbeach ms this is the end of 49 where it meets 90 iam in fort walton in a hotel but hear that the damage in longbeach is terrible kmart gone walmart in the pass .gone down to foundation everything along us 90 is mostly gone all the way to waveland


Until we have confirmation of this catastrophic damage, please do not post it as confirmed unless a link can be provided. To say the very least we are all very concerned and disturbed by the reports we are getting, however, please do your best to confirm this type of information prior to posting it and preferably post it with links. Where are you hearing these reports? There has been virtually no communication coming out of some of these areas.
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#55 Postby lbms » Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:52 am

i recieved my information from a friend that is with the longbeach fire and rescue department
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#56 Postby lbms » Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:59 am

also my sons friend called him form bay saint louis he rode out the storm in saint stanuisla school he says the bay sait louis bridge is gone
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#57 Postby vbhoutex » Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:01 am

Thanks for the confirmation of your source. The bridges being gone has been confirmed also by news media.
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#58 Postby oneness » Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:34 am

Not to minimise the brutality of that terrible video, but that's still about typical Cat 2-3 damage levels. SE LA is going to be much worse again.
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#59 Postby oneness » Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:45 am

Hyperstorm wrote:Yes, but this is an area that supposedly received CATEGORY 3 conditions. By the time the storm was nearing the MS coast, the official winds were in the CATEGORY 3 range.

This kind of damage is something you DON'T see in a Category 3, unless the structures are very poorly built.

This is EXTREME damage in my book...



That is incorrect, that is moderate damage. There is zero complete structural failures displayed within that video (which is common feature in in a 4 and particularly 5), even a high Cat 2 can produce results much like those shown. Most People simply don't know what a high 4 or a 5 can do, or looks like, unless you've seen it directly. It is far beyond what is in that video.
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#60 Postby brandybugg4180 » Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:59 am

I clicked on the original link (the first post ) and all i get is a webpage full of symbols am i doing something wrong
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