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#441 Postby Air Force Met » Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:45 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:SHIPS has about 15KT of shear over it. It's just that the other parameters are so favorable


Yeah...but shear forecasts that far out are the biggest roll of the dice in the tropical forecasting biz...especially near 20N and in the Caribbean with the year we've had. If it's only 15 knots...it'll do fine.
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#442 Postby Derek Ortt » Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:53 pm

yeah

those ahear forecasts are down right whacky

At times it seems to forecast the exact oposite of the models to get an accurate shear forecast
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#443 Postby gatorcane » Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:54 pm

According to storm2k member KFDM Meteorologist, GFDL shows powerful Hurricane Ernesto with 100K+ winds at the western tip of Cuba on Mon. :eek: :eek:
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#444 Postby mike815 » Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:55 pm

Darn We are all dead its over
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#445 Postby CalmBeforeStorm » Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:56 pm

Convection is poping up around where I think the center is trying to form. I think this may be a closed low.level circulation.
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#446 Postby recmod » Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:57 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:the idea of no development once in the E Caribbean wont hold water this time. If conditions are favorable, as they were with Dennis and will be wiht this, this can develop, even if it is just a wave when it enters

We have seen quite a few storms in recent years develop in the E Carib


Since 2000, the following hurricanes found the Eastern Caribbean to be anything but "the graveyard of storms":

Hurricane Iris in 2001 formed into a depression just as the system was entering the Eastern Caribbean
Hurricane Isidore in 2002 also became a depression in the extreme southeastern Caribbean
Hurricane Charley in 2004 also became a depression as the system was entering the Eastern Caribbean
Hurricane Jeanne in 2004, while reaching tropical depression stage just before entering the Caribbean, strengthened into a tropical storm while traversing the Eastern Caribbean
Hurricane Emily in 2005 strengthened significantly as the system moved into the Eastern Caribbean, jumping from a 50 knot tropical storm into an 80 knot hurricane

--Lou
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#447 Postby gatorcane » Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:58 pm

recmod wrote:
Derek Ortt wrote:the idea of no development once in the E Caribbean wont hold water this time. If conditions are favorable, as they were with Dennis and will be wiht this, this can develop, even if it is just a wave when it enters

We have seen quite a few storms in recent years develop in the E Carib


Since 2000, the following hurricanes found the Eastern Caribbean to be anything but "the graveyard of storms":

Hurricane Iris in 2001 formed into a depression just as the system was entering the Eastern Caribbean
Hurricane Isidore in 2002 also became a depression in the extreme southeastern Caribbean
Hurricane Charley in 2004 also became a depression as the system was entering the Eastern Caribbean
Hurricane Jeanne in 2004, while reaching tropical depression stage just before entering the Caribbean, strengthened into a tropical storm while traversing the Eastern Caribbean
Hurricane Emily in 2005 strengthened significantly as the system moved into the Eastern Caribbean, jumping from a 50 knot tropical storm into an 80 knot hurricane

--Lou


great guys thanks for the info. I believe you trust me. I don't believe the situation that is going on right now with 97L and what some of the models are taking it intensity-wise... :eek:
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#448 Postby CalmBeforeStorm » Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:02 pm

recmod wrote:
Derek Ortt wrote:the idea of no development once in the E Caribbean wont hold water this time. If conditions are favorable, as they were with Dennis and will be wiht this, this can develop, even if it is just a wave when it enters

We have seen quite a few storms in recent years develop in the E Carib


Since 2000, the following hurricanes found the Eastern Caribbean to be anything but "the graveyard of storms":

Hurricane Iris in 2001 formed into a depression just as the system was entering the Eastern Caribbean
Hurricane Isidore in 2002 also became a depression in the extreme southeastern Caribbean
Hurricane Charley in 2004 also became a depression as the system was entering the Eastern Caribbean
Hurricane Jeanne in 2004, while reaching tropical depression stage just before entering the Caribbean, strengthened into a tropical storm while traversing the Eastern Caribbean
Hurricane Emily in 2005 strengthened significantly as the system moved into the Eastern Caribbean, jumping from a 50 knot tropical storm into an 80 knot hurricane

--Lou


I don't think Charley, Jeanne and Emily count because they were still organized systems, even if weak, when they entered the Caribbean. For some reason, that has been an important benchmark for systems entering the Caribbean. It might have something to do with South America inhibiting inflow into storms trying to close off a circulation.
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#449 Postby TSmith274 » Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:07 pm

For what it's worth, Dan Millham, a veteran meteorologist with the NBC affiliate in New Orleans just predicted that we'll have a hurricane in the GOM somewhere between Cuba and the Yucatan. He's not an alarmist, so I was suprised that he made a graphic for this thing already. His personal graphic has a cat 1 dead center between Cuba and the Yucatan. Don't remember the timeframe. Just wanted to pass it along.

EDIT: This was on Channel 6's late show 6 On Your Side Live. Comes on after the regular news broadcast. Today was "Weather Wednesdays".
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#450 Postby Stormcenter » Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:11 pm

TSmith274 wrote:For what it's worth, Dan Millham, a veteran meteorologist with the NBC affiliate in New Orleans just predicted that we'll have a hurricane in the GOM somewhere between Cuba and the Yucatan. He's not an alarmist, so I was suprised that he made a graphic for this thing already. His personal graphic has a cat 1 dead center between Cuba and the Yucatan. Don't remember the timeframe. Just wanted to pass it along.

EDIT: This was on Channel 6's late show 6 On Your Side Live. Comes on after the regular news broadcast. Today was "Weather Wednesdays".



I'm sorry but I find it amazing that predictions are being made like that and we don't even have a TD yet. I heard the same type of hype with Chris and we all know what happened there. Yeah I know every storm is different but come on we are talking over a week out here.
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#451 Postby TSmith274 » Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:13 pm

Stormcenter wrote:
TSmith274 wrote:For what it's worth, Dan Millham, a veteran meteorologist with the NBC affiliate in New Orleans just predicted that we'll have a hurricane in the GOM somewhere between Cuba and the Yucatan. He's not an alarmist, so I was suprised that he made a graphic for this thing already. His personal graphic has a cat 1 dead center between Cuba and the Yucatan. Don't remember the timeframe. Just wanted to pass it along.

EDIT: This was on Channel 6's late show 6 On Your Side Live. Comes on after the regular news broadcast. Today was "Weather Wednesdays".



I'm sorry but I find it amazing that predictions are being made like that and we don't even have a TD yet. I heard the same type of hype with Chris and we all know what happened there. Yeah I know every storm is different but come on we are talking over a week out here.


I agree... just passing it along.
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#452 Postby CalmBeforeStorm » Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:18 pm

I'm sorry but I find it amazing that predictions are being made like that and we don't even have a TD yet. I heard the same type of hype with Chris and we all know what happened there. Yeah I know every storm is different but come on we are talking over a week out here.[/quote]


http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t2/avn.jpg

I'm not sure it's not a TD already.
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#453 Postby teal61 » Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:23 pm

CalmBeforeStorm wrote:I'm sorry but I find it amazing that predictions are being made like that and we don't even have a TD yet. I heard the same type of hype with Chris and we all know what happened there. Yeah I know every storm is different but come on we are talking over a week out here.



http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t2/avn.jpg

I'm not sure it's not a TD already.[/quote]

Yep, that shortwave ir loop looks pretty convincing.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t2/loop-ir2.html

At the very least there is a vigorous mlc there.
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#454 Postby SouthAlabamaWX » Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:29 pm

Vortex wrote:It's not a surprise that the models indicate a more wnw/nw movement during Ernestos trek across the carribean. Most guidance I've analyzed during the day/evening indicate a general weakness along the east coast in 4-6 days. The overall synoptic environment in 3-5 days indicates a more amplitude pattern along the east coast with weak ridging at best. This set-up will become crucial in determing what area comes under the gun. In addition, some guidance is also indicating multiple short waves late this weekend which would further erode heights to the north of the storm when it enters the western carribean. All these factors will become critical deterning where Ernesto ends up.

In terms of intensity, it's likely we will be dealing with a major cane in the western carribean early next week. Favorable atmosheric conditions, high oceanci heat content, and the time of year all spell the perfect recipe for a significant hurricane in the NW carribean in 4-5 days. Anyone from Texas to the Florida Keys should realy begin monitoring this situation.


You took the words right out of my mouth. I could not agree more. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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#455 Postby Brent » Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:33 pm

teal61 wrote:
CalmBeforeStorm wrote:I'm sorry but I find it amazing that predictions are being made like that and we don't even have a TD yet. I heard the same type of hype with Chris and we all know what happened there. Yeah I know every storm is different but come on we are talking over a week out here.



http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t2/avn.jpg

I'm not sure it's not a TD already.


Yep, that shortwave ir loop looks pretty convincing.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t2/loop-ir2.html

At the very least there is a vigorous mlc there.[/quote]

Yeah... WOW. If this isn't Ernesto tomorrow I'll be completely surprised.
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#456 Postby LaBreeze » Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:36 pm

Gatorcane, what are the models taking it to intensity-wise? I'm having trouble with my interpretation of the models at this time - computer problem.
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#457 Postby skysummit » Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:38 pm

LaBreeze wrote:Gatorcane, what are the models taking it to intensity-wise? I'm having trouble with my interpretation of the models at this time - computer problem.


Not to answer for Gator, but from what I've seen...a Cat 2 or maybe even a 3 in the gulf...or entering the gulf.
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#458 Postby Stormcenter » Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:38 pm

My apologies if this has been posted already.

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/cmctc2.c ... =Animation
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#459 Postby SouthAlabamaWX » Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:38 pm

Cyclenall wrote:
skysummit wrote:Bob Breck in NOLA said it shouldn't be anything to worry about because it'll soon be encountering lots of shear. I tell ya....that boy will never learn.

If he really said that which I doubt he did, then he wouldn't be on TV.


Well...for him to stand there last year and state on tv that Katrina will NOT cause any problems for New Orleans didn't effect his tv career. His tv station's rating went way down however, he is still there. I think he makes bold statements so he can take credit of being the first tv met in New Orleans to say I told you so.
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#460 Postby Coredesat » Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:39 pm

Have there been any recent QuikScat runs on this system?
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